Fess up, have you ever bought any Presidential Memorabilia?

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Memorabilia is probably not the right word but already tired of seeing Obama plates, coins ect.... I'm wondering who are the people who buy this stuff?
Maybe a button is alright but who the hell would want a Obama candle snuffer.

And do people stash this stuff away with their porn or proudly display it in house?
 

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I bought a watermelon today...does that count...


Ooooooooooooo ia int right...

Cant truss it
 

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No I haven't but I remember my dad having an "I like Ike" button, or as the Japanese pronounce it "I licky Ickey".
 

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well the memerobillia is stupid. all that $9.99 bullcrap that won't mean nothing. I"ll never buy those inaugural plates, or limited addition coins that run the commercial all day long since Nov 5.

I collected a few campaign buttons. Mostly from different nationalities and backrounds. Campaign and lawn signs. Newspapers from Nov 5th.

I can say the only thing I've bought was a limited addition "Change Poster" #1750/5000. Most of the posters around say "Hope" with Obama looking upward. I got the poster after making a $100 donation to the campaign.

all the other stuff on TV? i'll never buy. Its just corny.
 

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3Peet, where did you hang the poster?

Its just mounted on a mounting board right now. Unframed leaning up against the wall. I was using it for the campaign. I want to get it signed by the artist first before i do something with it. If it goes up, I have an entertainment room i'm workin on. You know, along with signed baseballs and framed jerseys n what not.
 

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I have a John F Kennedy pamphlet from when he was running for prez. Not sure if it's worth anything though.
 

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I have a Dan Quayle Mr Potatoe Head
 

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I have three anti tax framed posters in my office, citing the words of JFK, Lincoln & a Senator from NC that opposed to income tax in the early 1900's with the following concerns.

"Today, we talk about an income tax rate of 1%, but in the future, we may see tax rates as high as 5%"

hehehehehe, if he only knew. He had absolutely no idea what liberalism would bring to this country
 

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yo willie just be glad obama ain't gonna go FDR on us as much as i call him FDR II

anyway that was way off topic but.....

what's new with tiz :lolBIG:

An Unfriendly Climate for Business

From the White House on the heels of the Wagner Act came a thunderous barrage of insults against business. Businessmen, Roosevelt fumed, were obstacles on the road to recovery. He blasted them as "economic royalists" and said that businessmen as a class were "stupid."[36] He followed up the insults with a rash of new punitive measures. New strictures on the stock market were imposed. A tax on corporate retained earnings, called the "undistributed profits tax," was levied. "These soak-the-rich efforts," writes economist Robert Higgs, "left little doubt that the president and his administration intended to push through Congress everything they could to extract wealth from the high-income earners responsible for making the bulk of the nation’s decisions about private investment."[37]

During a period of barely two months during late 1937, the market for steel — a key economic barometer — plummeted from 83 percent of capacity to 35 percent. When that news emblazoned headlines, Roosevelt took an ill-timed nine-day fishing trip. The New York Herald-Tribune implored him to get back to work to stem the tide of the renewed Depression. What was needed, said the newspaper’s editors, was a reversal of the Roosevelt policy "of bitterness and hate, of setting class against class and punishing all who disagreed with him."[38]

Columnist Walter Lippmann wrote in March 1938 that "with almost no important exception every measure he [Roosevelt] has been interested in for the past five months has been to reduce or discourage the production of wealth."[39]

As pointed out earlier in this essay, Herbert Hoover’s own version of a "New Deal" had hiked the top marginal income tax rate from 24 to 63 percent in 1932. But he was a piker compared to his tax-happy successor. Under Roosevelt, the top rate was raised at first to 79 percent and then later to 90 percent. Economic historian Burton Folsom notes that in 1941 Roosevelt even proposed a whopping 99.5-percent marginal rate on all incomes over $100,000. "Why not?" he said when an advisor questioned the idea.[40]

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After that confiscatory proposal failed, Roosevelt issued an executive order to tax all income over $25,000 at the astonishing rate of 100 percent. He also promoted the lowering of the personal exemption to only $600, a tactic that pushed most American families into paying at least some income tax for the first time. Shortly thereafter, Congress rescinded the executive order, but went along with the reduction of the personal exemption.[41]

Meanwhile, the Federal Reserve again seesawed its monetary policy in the mid-‘30s, first up then down, then up sharply through America’s entry into World War II. Contributing to the economic slide of 1937 was this fact: From the summer of 1936 to the spring of 1937, the Fed doubled reserve requirements on the nation’s banks. Experience has shown time and again that a roller-coaster monetary policy is enough by itself to produce a roller-coaster economy.

Still stinging from his earlier Supreme Court defeats, Roosevelt tried in 1937 to "pack" the Supreme Court with a proposal to allow the president to appoint an additional justice to the Court for every sitting justice who had reached the age of 70 and did not retire. Had this proposal passed, Roosevelt could have appointed six new justices favorable to his views, increasing the members of the Court from 9 to 15. His plan failed in Congress, but the Court later began rubber-stamping his policies after a number of opposing justices retired. Until Congress killed the packing scheme, however, business fears that a Court sympathetic to Roosevelt’s goals would endorse more of the old New Deal prevented investment and confidence from reviving.

Economic historian Robert Higgs draws a close connection between the level of private investment and the course of the American economy in the 1930s. The relentless assaults of the Roosevelt administration — in both word and deed — against business, property, and free enterprise guaranteed that the capital needed to jump-start the economy was either taxed away or forced into hiding. When FDR took America to war in 1941, he eased up on his anti-business agenda, but a great deal of the nation’s capital was diverted into the war effort instead of into plant expansion or consumer goods. Not until both Roosevelt and the war were gone did investors feel confident enough to "set in motion the postwar investment boom that powered the economy’s return to sustained prosperity."[42]

This view gains support in these comments from one of the country’s leading investors of the time, Lammot du Pont, offered in 1937:

Uncertainty rules the tax situation, the labor situation, the monetary situation, and practically every legal condition under which industry must operate. Are taxes to go higher, lower or stay where they are? We don’t know. Is labor to be union or non-union? . . . Are we to have inflation or deflation, more government spending or less? . . . Are new restrictions to be placed on capital, new limits on profits? . . . It is impossible to even guess at the answers."[43]

Many modern historians tend to be reflexively anti-capitalist and distrustful of free markets; they find Roosevelt’s exercise of power, constitutional or not, to be impressive and historically "interesting." In surveys, a majority consistently rank FDR near the top of the list for presidential greatness, so it is likely they would disdain the notion that the New Deal was responsible for prolonging the Great Depression. But when a nationally representative poll by the American Institute of Public Opinion in the spring of 1939 asked, "Do you think the attitude of the Roosevelt administration toward business is delaying business recovery?" the American people responded "yes" by a margin of more than two-to-one. The business community felt even more strongly so.[44]

In his private diary, FDR’s very own Treasury Secretary, Henry Morgenthau, seemed to agree. He wrote: "We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work. . . . We have never made good on our promises. . . . I say after eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started . . . . and an enormous debt to boot!"[45]

At the end of the decade and 12 years after the stock market crash of Black Thursday, 10 million Americans were jobless. The unemployment rate was in excess of 17 percent. Roosevelt had pledged in 1932 to end the crisis, but it persisted two presidential terms and countless interventions later.
 

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I have a six pack of Billy Beer made famous by Jimmy Carter's brother Billy. also a six pack of JR beer as in JR Ewing. For GTC08 that was the main character in a show called "Dallas"
 

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I bet they were brewed at Pearl. They had local breweries do those for them.
 

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Tixdoom, it is funny FDR was hailed as some sort of savior, presiding over the longest downturn in our history. Hoover gets all the credit to this day, I'm not sure how he made the banks collapse, even after the depression went on long after he was out of office. It appears the New Deal helped create the need to ensure it's own necessity, another one of them there self-fulfilling prophecies.

WWII seemed to finally end the thing. There are many an economist that point out the very things your post did, but it's hard to dethrone a mythical figure.
 

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Check your history the pro business chain of Republicans leading up to 1929 let the greed merchants run all over them. Hoover was actually trying to get it under control but he was pro business also.
 

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stolen from another thread

When FDR took office, he was enormously successful in averting a total collapse of the banking system and the economy. But his New Deal measures only succeeded in lowering the unemployment rate from 23 percent in 1933, when he took office, to 13 percent in the summer of 1937. It never went lower. And his policies of over-regulation generated such business uncertainty that they triggered a second-term recession. Unemployment in 1938 rose to 17 percent and, in 1940, on the verge of the war-driven recovery, stood at 15 percent. (These data and the real story of Hoover’s and Roosevelt’s missteps, uncolored by ideology, are available in The Forgotten Man by Amity Shlaes, copyright 2007.)
 

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Check your history the pro business chain of Republicans leading up to 1929 let the greed merchants run all over them. Hoover was actually trying to get it under control but he was pro business also.

a few specifics punter, explain it too me

What Hoover policy brought about the collapse of the banking industry and why or how?

Maybe after the roaring 20's, after a boom, we had a bust. Seems to happen about 100% of the time in every single market segment. We then try to fix the problem by taxing the rich, costing us jobs, and by implementing social programs, decreasing the need to work. Those to policies extended the depression, actually giving us a double dipper. FDR never got unemployment below 10% until WWII, that's no fucking miracle.

I wonder what Hoover did to increase unemployment from 13% to 17% in the late 30's? (and that's when women didn't really work)
 

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