I believe they fall under the VIP umbrella Fish. I get the "AMerican Football Insider" mag as I am a client at Betgameday and EVERY and I mean EVERY ad in the book is about VIP, Betgameday, Five Card Charlie, Fairdeal, Bet19. The VIP Umbrella blow their own horn quit frequently in the mag as they claim they are the best on the planet, their mag I guess they can blow all they want:breakit: