Michael Moore says:
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[Farenheit 9/11 is]an op-ed piece. It's my opinion about the last four years of the Bush administration. And that's what I call it. I'm not trying to pretend that this is some sort of, you know, fair and balanced work of journalism.
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Interview here.
The same sort of truth-twisting he did with his other two films; no reason to expect any other in this case.
To add to the drama Moore has claimed to set up a "war room" from which he will co-ordinate his war on ... libel ... and defamtion ... hehehehehehe.
Phaedrus
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[Farenheit 9/11 is]an op-ed piece. It's my opinion about the last four years of the Bush administration. And that's what I call it. I'm not trying to pretend that this is some sort of, you know, fair and balanced work of journalism.
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Interview here.
The same sort of truth-twisting he did with his other two films; no reason to expect any other in this case.
To add to the drama Moore has claimed to set up a "war room" from which he will co-ordinate his war on ... libel ... and defamtion ... hehehehehehe.
Phaedrus
His opinion or not I think he's doing a great public service bringing the inherent evilness of this administration to light before the elections.
After all the hard cold reality is that a bush2 re-election could pretty much be expected to be catastrophic for the short and perhaps even long term future of the U.S.A..
After all the hard cold reality is that a bush2 re-election could pretty much be expected to be catastrophic for the short and perhaps even long term future of the U.S.A..
No doubt it will be a candidate for the worst film of the year. It may be worse than the day after tommorrow propaganda. If you really want to see it wait a month and it will be at the dollar movies. I predict it will be one of the lowest money makers of the year.
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His opinion or not I think he's doing a great public service bringing the inherent evilness of this administration to light before the elections.
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If it has the same qualities as his previous two films (and it must; it won at Cannes after all) then it is so far removed from reality that it can hardly be accurately described as a documentary.
At least this go round he admits to this fraud, I guess to pre-empt the sort of backlash he got over his creative editing in Bowling for Columbine.
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After all the hard cold reality is that a bush2 re-election could pretty much be expected to be catastrophic for the short and perhaps even long term future of the U.S.A..
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I agree, but anyone so stupid they need this bloated warthog hack of a wannabe director to tell them this needs to shut up and focus on not splattering themselves with the french fry grease.
Phaedrus
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His opinion or not I think he's doing a great public service bringing the inherent evilness of this administration to light before the elections.
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If it has the same qualities as his previous two films (and it must; it won at Cannes after all) then it is so far removed from reality that it can hardly be accurately described as a documentary.
At least this go round he admits to this fraud, I guess to pre-empt the sort of backlash he got over his creative editing in Bowling for Columbine.
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After all the hard cold reality is that a bush2 re-election could pretty much be expected to be catastrophic for the short and perhaps even long term future of the U.S.A..
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I agree, but anyone so stupid they need this bloated warthog hack of a wannabe director to tell them this needs to shut up and focus on not splattering themselves with the french fry grease.
Phaedrus
I read one of his earlier books "Stupid White Men" where he basically critizes Bush, Corporations, and the Rich for all problems.
Yet, he is a millionare because of these same factors. I don't think that he practices what he preaches. I will see 9/11 but only from downloading from the Internet or a boot legged copy.
Yet, he is a millionare because of these same factors. I don't think that he practices what he preaches. I will see 9/11 but only from downloading from the Internet or a boot legged copy.
Fahrenheit 9/11 is already slated to be the highest grossing documentary of all-time. Won Best Picture of the Year at the Cannes Film Festival. Quite a few sheep have no thought process and will vote for the religious nut no matter what he does. Independent thinkers please see this movie.
Funny how we get the same stuff again and again.
Someone doesn't follow the sheeple agenda and gains huge notoriety from that.
Be thankful that your culture can produce such things.
Have you guys heard of a film called
'All quiet on the Western Front.'
http://www.filmsite.org/allq.html
Iran has a dude that does satires, the Clerics hate him.
Iran 'anti-cleric' film to hit US.
The smash hit Marmoulak (The Lizard) was banned in Iran for allegedly mocking the ruling conservative clergy.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3752025.stm
The UK had some good stuff in the 80's when Thatcher was around, but the industry here has been brain dead recently.
A world full of corporate sheeple is too boring. Vive la difference.
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Someone doesn't follow the sheeple agenda and gains huge notoriety from that.
Be thankful that your culture can produce such things.
Have you guys heard of a film called
'All quiet on the Western Front.'
http://www.filmsite.org/allq.html
Iran has a dude that does satires, the Clerics hate him.
Iran 'anti-cleric' film to hit US.
The smash hit Marmoulak (The Lizard) was banned in Iran for allegedly mocking the ruling conservative clergy.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3752025.stm
The UK had some good stuff in the 80's when Thatcher was around, but the industry here has been brain dead recently.
A world full of corporate sheeple is too boring. Vive la difference.
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Benassflick
That specious logic at best. How many slander suits does Michael Jackson have going against The National Enquirer? Approximately zero? Does that mean that everything they've printed about him in over two decades of Jackson being a tabloid darling is true?
I'm not a "Moore basher" because I think he's a liberal, or bringing down America, or questioning the status quo. I bash him, because he is a cultural icon exemplary of just how fúcking stupid and off-kilter American culture really is -- them man's films are works of the most astonishingly revisionist nature, as he finally admits himself in the last couple of years after all of the backlash from his editing for Bowling for Columbine (which included, in case you did not know, actually changing the voiceover on a political advertisement, adding captions which were not present in original ads, and more.) In his very own words above, Farenheit 9/11 is not a documentary or intended as a faire or balanced work of journalism -- it is his opinion, no more or less Gospel than an average ranting political post by me at this forum.
Really I guess when it comes down to it it's not Moore I am bashing so much as the iconowhoring fans of his who cannot see his work for what it is. The man gets an Oscar for 'Best Documentary' for a film which is not a documentary. He gets the top honours at Cannes for what? for a work which is "an op-ed piece" according to Moore himself, while fúcktards around the world celebrate it as "exposing the truth" about Bush.
Phaedrus
That specious logic at best. How many slander suits does Michael Jackson have going against The National Enquirer? Approximately zero? Does that mean that everything they've printed about him in over two decades of Jackson being a tabloid darling is true?
I'm not a "Moore basher" because I think he's a liberal, or bringing down America, or questioning the status quo. I bash him, because he is a cultural icon exemplary of just how fúcking stupid and off-kilter American culture really is -- them man's films are works of the most astonishingly revisionist nature, as he finally admits himself in the last couple of years after all of the backlash from his editing for Bowling for Columbine (which included, in case you did not know, actually changing the voiceover on a political advertisement, adding captions which were not present in original ads, and more.) In his very own words above, Farenheit 9/11 is not a documentary or intended as a faire or balanced work of journalism -- it is his opinion, no more or less Gospel than an average ranting political post by me at this forum.
Really I guess when it comes down to it it's not Moore I am bashing so much as the iconowhoring fans of his who cannot see his work for what it is. The man gets an Oscar for 'Best Documentary' for a film which is not a documentary. He gets the top honours at Cannes for what? for a work which is "an op-ed piece" according to Moore himself, while fúcktards around the world celebrate it as "exposing the truth" about Bush.
Phaedrus
"Righties"...why do you care? If you don't like it, make up a movie of your own about Kerry and get it to the theaters if it so pleases you. What is up with the censorship vibe here, the whole "there is no way this movie should be seen". 98% of the viewers of this film are either certain or near certain voters against Bush, so the effect of this film will be extremely minimal. The other 2% will be confirmed conservatives that just want to see it to bash it. It might do fine at the box office just from the publicity all these conservatives have given it.
I'll be seeing the film this Sunday, though I don't expect to learn anything new. In fact, it will be interesting to see if Moore does in fact 'cut and paste' to suit his agenda, or if there exists enough negative footage (and I suspect there does) of Bush himself that no such editing is necessary.
Frankly, any opportunity to have a chuckle at Bush's expense is alright with me. But then again, I'm not a voter.
Frankly, any opportunity to have a chuckle at Bush's expense is alright with me. But then again, I'm not a voter.
