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It's funny, because it's true!!

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U.S. 'Minutemen' vigilantes want to patrol Canadian border

Edited to add: LMFAO!!!!!!!!

Tue Apr 26, 7:04 PM ET
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WASHINGTON (AP) - A civilian patrol group that has been monitoring the Mexican border for illegal immigrants wants to expand its mission to the Canadian border, organizers said Tuesday. Minuteman Project leaders said their volunteers alerted U.S. authorities to more than 330 cases this month of illegal immigrants crossing into the United States across a 37-kilometre stretch of Arizona's southern border.

Now they plan to extend their patrol along the rest of the border with Mexico and are helping organize similar efforts in four states that neighbour Canada.

"In the absence of the federal government doing its mandated duty to secure our borders, we will pick up the slack. Reluctantly," said Chris Simcox, a Minuteman co-organizer who also operates Civil Homeland Defense, another Arizona group that monitors illegal immigration.

"We shouldn't have to be doing this," Simcox said in Washington, where he was to meet with legislators Wednesday.

"But at this point, we will continue to grow this operation - also to the northern border."

Simcox offered no timeline to indicate when the Canadian border patrol might begin its rounds in Idaho, Michigan, North Dakota and Vermont. He said he hopes to start patrols by June near San Diego, Calif., on the Mexican border at Tijuana and along the rest of the border with Mexico by October.

A spokesman for the U.S. Border Patrol did not return a call for comment Tuesday.

"We're not supportive of vigilantes," said Dan Whiting, spokesman for U.S. Senator Larry Craig, an Idaho Republican.

"We can empathize with the need for border security but we need to do it the right way."

Several hundred Minuteman volunteers, some of them armed, were not allowed to detain illegal border-crossers spotted during their April patrol. Immigration advocates and U.S. authorities have complained about the volunteers. President George W. Bush said he opposes vigilantes, because the U.S. Border Patrol is meant to enforce border security.

More than one-half of the 1.1 million illegal immigrants apprehended in the United States last year entered at the Mexico-Arizona border.

The U.S. border with Canada is twice as long as the border with Mexico and is known as the longest undefended border in the world. U.S. Customs officials caught a man with explosives trying to enter Washington state from Canada in December 1999 in what has become known as the millennium terror plot.

The Minuteman organizers estimated it would take $4 billion and two years to secure the Mexico border and $8 billion and three years on the Canada border. They suggested the U.S. government supplement border patrol agents with military or National Guard troops.

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Umm ... okaaaaay.

But could you guys ask your KKK wanna-be freakazoid buddies to stop the Yankees crossing into Canada and confiscate the guns y'all are smuggling up here?

I'd really appreciate that, thanks.

:>Grin>
 
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Wasn't this the plot of John Candy's final film, 'Canadian Bacon'. I really miss him.
 
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Lets see how dedicated they are in July when its 115 out there in the Sonoran desert...
 

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An answer to Mr.Whiting:You have had 30 years to do it the right way.
 

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It may be funny to you because your country doesn't have to worry about being attacked or protecting its borders. It's not funny to many of us who endure an onslaught of illegal immigration in many facets of our life. It affects unemployment, taxation, demand on social services, public safety (unlicensed motorists on our highways) and yes....security. I have no doubt that terrorists have entered the US through our non-existent borders. Yes I wish our government would do the job properly, but I welcome the good intentions of well-meaning citizens who are trying to do their part to protect all of us. It's probably too little too late, but I still welcome the effort. Interesting that you enjoy laughing at the expense of others. Sorry I miss the humor.
 
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Hey, defensiveguy. I'm laughing because Canadians are basically armed with plastic forks and knives, my friend. That your minutemen feel they need to arm themselves against us is a little off the mark.

The joke was directed much more at us than you.

And, just so you know, the US does not have a monopoly on illegal immigrants.
 
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Anyone know the word for a bunch of immigrants who are xenophobic?
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Xenophobia denotes fear of strangers or of the unknown and comes from the Greek words ξένος (xenos), meaning "foreigner", "stranger", and φόβος (phobos), meaning "fear". The term is typically used to describe fear or dislike of foreigners, but racism in general is sometimes described as a form of xenophobia. Xenophobia implies a belief, accurate or not, that the target is in some way alien. Prejudice against women cannot be considered xenophobic in this sense, except in the limited case of all-male clubs or institutions.
The American Psychiatric Association's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, 4th edition ("DSM-IV") includes in its description of a phobia an "intense anxiety" which follows exposure to the "object of the phobia, either in real life or via imagination or video..." For xenophobia there are two main objects of the phobia. The first is a population group present within a society, which is not considered part of that society. Often they are recent immigrants, but xenophobia may be directed against a group which has been present for centuries. This form of xenophobia can elicit or facilitate hostile and violent reactions, such as mass expulsion of immigrants, or in the worst case, a pogrom.

The second form of xenophobia is primarily cultural, and the object of the phobia is cultural elements which are considered alien. All cultures are subject to external influences, but cultural xenophobia is often narrowly directed, for instance at foreign loan words in a national language. It rarely leads to aggression against persons, but can result in political campaigns for cultural or linguistic purification. Isolationism, a general suspicion of foreign governments and states, is not accurately described as xenophobia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenophobia
 
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xpanda said:
Hey, defensiveguy. I'm laughing because Canadians are basically armed with plastic forks and knives, my friend. That your minutemen feel they need to arm themselves against us is a little off the mark.

The joke was directed much more at us than you.

And, just so you know, the US does not have a monopoly on illegal immigrants.
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Cmon Xpanda. You know darn well the minutemen aren't arming themselves or trying to protect us against Canadians. The important point is that this whole thing is symbolic, not real. The practical effect is nil.. When more al Qaeda want to find their way into the US from Canada, they will. And that's not funny on any level.
 
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You know darn well the minutemen aren't arming themselves or trying to protect us against Canadians.

You would do well to be reminded that many Canadian citizens are of MidEastern descent.

The important point is that this whole thing is symbolic, not real. The practical effect is nil.. When more al Qaeda want to find their way into the US from Canada, they will. And that's not funny on any level.

What Al Qaeda have entered the US from Canada?

While you're trying to protect yourselves from brown Canadians crossing the border us unarmed tourists will be greeted by armed rednecks. And you guys are the ones who should be worried?
 

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Xpanda, Please don't try to turn this into an argument that this effort is aimed at "brown Canadians" or Canadians of any shade. Protecting our borders is aimed at keeping out all people that have no legal right to enter, but especially people who would do harm to us...whether those people be from Europe, Asia, the Soviet Republics, the Middle East or anywhere else. The reason is because there are terrorist cells operating in Canada and they have used the border for ingress into the US. Here is one article, among many, that has explored the issue and tied specific Al Qaeda to the Canadian border. Do a google search on Canada and Al Qaeda and you'll find a bunch more......

http://www.adl.org/Terror/tu/tu_0401_canada.asp

Canada and Terrorism
There is a growing body of evidence indicating that terrorist groups have been operating effectively in Canada by taking advantage of Canada's liberal immigration and political asylum policies and the porous Canadian-American border.

Terrorist-related activities in Canada include fundraising, lobbying through front organizations, providing support for terrorist operations in Canada or abroad, procuring weapons and materiel, coercing and manipulating immigrant communities in Canada, facilitating transit to and from the U.S. and other countries, and other illegal activities.

According to an August 2002 report of the Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS), "… with the possible exception of the United States, there are more international terrorist organizations active in Canada than anywhere in the world. <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=5 width=200 align=right><TBODY><TR><TD class=bk10 align=middle></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>This situation can be attributed to Canada's proximity to the United States which currently is the principal target of terrorist groups operating internationally; and to the fact that Canada, a country built upon immigration, represents a microcosm of the world. It is therefore not surprising that the world's extremist elements are represented here, along with peace-loving citizens. Terrorist groups are present here whose origins lie in regional, ethnic and nationalist conflicts, including the Israeli Palestinian one, as well as those in Egypt, Algeria, Sudan, Afghanistan, Lebanon, Northern Ireland, the Punjab, Sri Lanka, Turkey and the former Yugoslavia."

According to the CSIS, in recent years, terrorists have moved "from significant support roles, such as fundraising and procurement, to actually planning and preparing terrorist acts from Canadian territory. In order to carry out these efforts, terrorists and their supporters use intimidation and other coercive methods in immigrant communities, and they abuse Canada's immigration, pass-port, welfare, and charity regulations."

The Canadian-American Border and Immigration Policies

The U.S.-Canada border, stretching for over 4,000 miles, is the longest international border in the world.

In December 1999, Algerian terrorist Ahmed Ressam was caught trying to cross the Canadian-American border at Port Angeles, Washington, with explosives in his car. Ressam belonged to a Montreal-based terrorist cell thought to be linked to both the Algerian terrorist group Armed Islamic Group (GIA) and Al Qaeda. The cell was apparently planning a millennium terror attack at Los Angeles International Airport. In April 2001 Ressam was convicted in Los Angeles of conspiracy to commit terrorism, document fraud and possession of deadly explosives.

The ease with which Ahmed Ressam and his fellow terror cell members entered and left Canada and Ressam's ability to assemble bomb-making materials in Canada heightened concerns about border security and the apparent ease with which potential terrorists can move freely from one country to the other. According to the CSIS, terrorists from 50 different international terrorist organizations come to Canada posing as refugees. Nearly 300,000 immigrants are admitted each year to Canada, many of whom seek political asylum and safe haven. Canada, however, does not detain refugee seekers upon entry, even those with questionable backgrounds, so thousands of potential terrorists disappear annually into Canada's ethnic communities. Armed with a fraudulent French passport, for example, Ahmed Ressam had entered Canada in 1994 claiming refugee status.

In America, the debate continues as to the utility of tightening the Canadian-U.S. border. Those arguing for increased border security maintain that such controls will deter terrorists. Others argue that increasing the quality and quantity of checkpoints will ultimately do little to restrict the movements of terrorists but would result in decreased trade between the countries and would disrupt the legitimate flow of people across the border. Canada is America's largest trading partner, accounting for more than one-fifth of America's exports and a little less than one-fifth of its imports. On a daily basis, there is $1.9 billion in trade across the shared border.

In December 2001, the U.S. and Canada signed a Joint Statement of Cooperation on Border Security and Regional Migration Issues.The declaration established a joint action plan for deter-ring, detecting and prosecuting security threats while ensuring the free flow of people and goods across the border. In November 2003, the U.S. and Canada announced the creation of two more Integrated Border Enforcement Teams (IBETs) to improve security across the border. IBETs are multi-agency teams combining U.S. and Canadian law enforcement, immigration and customs officials, working together daily with local, state and provincial enforcement agencies.They are strategically located along the length of the border to ensure it remains open to trade and travel, but closed to criminal or terrorist elements. With the two new ones, there are now 14 IBETs covering every strategic location across the U.S.- Canada border.

Islamic Extremist Activity

Islamic extremists and their supporters from Al Qaeda, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah, Armed Islamic Group (GIA), and Egyptian Islamic Jihad are among those suspected of operating in Canada.

Al Qaeda

Canadian authorities have publicly identified 25 Canadian residents/citizens as members of Al Qaeda.

A major Al Qaeda/GIA cell was Ahmed Ressam's Montreal-based terror cell. Among the cell's other members are Fateh Kamel, convicted in Paris in April 2001 of supplying fake passports to Islamic militants; Mokhtar Haouari, sentenced in New York in 2002 to 24 years in prison for providing a fake driver's license and other assistance to Ressam; Samir Ait Mohamed, indicted by U.S. authorities in 2001 on charges of conspiring to commit an act of international terrorism and currently fighting extradition from Canada to the U.S.; and Mourad Ikhlef, accused by Canada of advising Ressam on how to handle explosives and carry out the Los Angeles Airport attack. Canada deported Ikhlef to Algeria in March 2003.

Egyptian-born longtime Canadian resident Ahmad Sa'id Al-Khadr left Toronto for Pakistan to become the regional coordinator for the Canadian-based Human Concern International, a charity that has allegedly diverted funds to Al Qaeda. He reportedly became a senior aide to Osama bin Laden. Al-Khadr was detained by Pakistani authorities for his alleged involvement in the 1995 bombing of the Egyptian Embassy in Islamabad but was later released, reportedly, after the personal intercession of Canadian Prime Minister Jean Chretien. In October 2001, the U.S. froze his assets and in December 2001, the U.S. placed him on a list of nine Al Qaeda members most wanted by the U.S. He is believed to be in Afghanistan.

One of Khadr's sons, Omar Khadr, was arrested in Afghanistan in July 2002 after he allegedly murdered a U.S. army medic with a grenade. He is currently being held in Guantanamo Bay. Another one of his sons, Abdul Rahman Khadr, was captured by Northern Alliance troops in Kabul in November 2001 while allegedly fighting for Al Qaeda and later sent to Guantanamo. In November 2003, against the background of the U.S. releasing a number of detainees from Guantanamo, Abdul Rahman Khadr was freed. On November 30, 2003, Canadian authorities permitted Khadr to reenter Canada.

The U.S. is currently holding Canadian Mohammed Mansour Jabarah, who, according to U.S. officials, admitted involvement in a series of Al Qaeda plots in Southeast Asia. Jabarah's brother, Abdulrahman Mansour Jabarah, was killed in July 2003 by Saudi authorities in a firefight near the Jordanian border. Both brothers are suspected of joining Al Qaeda in the late 1990s.

An Al Qaeda plot to bomb the U.S. Embassy in Paris also had a Canadian element to it. In June 2002, Canadian authorities arrested Algerian-born Montreal resident Adel Tobbichi, a.k.a. Amine Mezbar, who allegedly altered passports and other documents to allow members of the embassy conspiracy cell to travel throughout Europe. He was extradited to the Netherlands in July 2002.

Following the leads of the UN Security Council and the U.S., Canada shut down the offices of several Islamic charities operating on Canadian soil, with alleged links to Al Qaeda. These include: Benevolence International Fund, Islamic Relief Organization, Muslim World League and the SAAR Foundation.

Hezbolah

Hezbollah is believed to have an active presence in Canada. According to Canadian intelligence, Canada is an important source of Hezbollah fundraising and recruitment as well as a key component of the group's international network.

In June 2002, two members of a North Carolina-based Hezbollah terror cell were convicted of providing material support to the terrorist organization. Their cell was part of a larger Hezbollah network that raised funds and procured dual-use technologies for Hezbollah. The Canadian part of the network was allegedly run by Mohammed Hassan Dbouk and his brother-in-law Ali Adham Amhaz, who allegedly received money from Hezbollah officials in Lebanon and engaged in credit card and banking scams in Canada in order to finance the purchase in Canada and the U.S. of night-vision goggles, global positioning systems, stun guns, laser range finders and other military items which were then smuggled into Lebanon. Amhaz was indicted in North Carolina in March 2001 on charges of providing material support to Hezbollah. In October 2001, Canadian authorities arrested him based on an American arrest warrant calling for his extradition. Amhaz was freed in December 2001 after the U.S. dropped the arrest warrant; the U.S. indictment against him still stands. Dbouk fled to Lebanon.

Also in June 2002, Israeli authorities arrested Lebanese-born Canadian Fawzi Ayoub, 39, who had entered Israel on a fake American passport. He is accused of being a Hezbollah fighter and of training Palestinian militants in the West Bank in Hezbollah bomb-making techniques.

The Canadian government had originally refused to include Hezbollah on its list of banned terrorist organizations claiming that it is also a humanitarian and political organization. After domestic and international pressure, Canada finally banned Hezbollah in December 2002.

Hamas and Islamic Jihad

Both Hamas and Islamic Jihad are believed to raise money in Canada. The Hamas-linked Holy Land Foundation has raised hundreds of thou-sands of dollars in Canada. Both terrorist groups were banned in Canada in November 2002.

In early December 2003, the Israeli government announced that it had arrested in November a Palestinian-born Canadian man, Jamal Akkal, 23, who confessed to being recruited and trained by Hamas' military wing in Gaza. Akkal reportedly had orders to kill Israeli officials and Jews in Canada and the U.S. According to Israeli authorities, senior Hamas militant Ahmed Wahabe allegedly told Akkal to raise funds among Muslims in Canada ostensibly for the families of suicide bombers, which he would actually use for purchasing a weapon and financing his attacks.

Sikh Extremism and the Air India Bombings Trial

In June 1985, suspected Sikh militants bombed an Air India flight originating in Vancouver, killing all 329 people aboard, including 154 Canadians. The bombing was the single, deadliest incident of aviation terrorism until September 11th. Canadian authorities believe that the bombing was masterminded and perpetrated by Sikh terrorists operating from Canada, some of whom were Canadian citizens. Two Canadian-based Sikhs, Ripudaman Singh Malik, 53, and Ajaib Singh Bagri, 51, are currently on trial in Vancouver for involvement in the aircraft bombing and for another suitcase bombing at Narita Airport in Tokyo, that killed two baggage handlers. Another British Columbian Sikh extremist, Inderjit Singh Reyat, was convicted in 1991 of building the Tokyo bomb and pleaded guilty in February 2003 to aiding in the construction of the Air India bomb.

The Canadian government believes the bombings were part of a conspiracy by British Columbia-based Sikh extremists to take revenge against the Indian government for its 1984 storming of the Golden Temple, a Sikh shrine. The Indian government sought to flush out armed Sikh extremists fighting for a separate Sikh homeland. Bagri, a former preacher and supporter of Sikh separatism, was second in command in the Babbar Khalsa, a terrorist group dedicated to the creation of a separate Sikh homeland called Khalistan. Babbar Khalsa raised funds in Canada until its charitable status was revoked in the mid 1990s. The Canadian government added Babbar Khalsa to its list of banned terrorist organizations in June 2003.

Tamil Extremist Activity

Another terrorist group active in Canada is the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE), a violent separatist movement of the Tamil Hindu minority in Sri Lanka which has waged, since 1983, a bloody war for an independent Tamil homeland in northern and eastern Sri Lanka.

Sri Lanka is Canada's leading source of refugees and there are over 250,000 Tamils in Canada. Home to 200,000 Tamils, Toronto is the largest Tamil city outside of Sri Lanka. Canadian intelligence believes that there are 8,000 former LTTE guerrillas in Toronto.

The LTTE draws significant financial and political support from the Canadian Tamil community. The Sri Lankan government estimates that the LTTE raises about $120 million a year, up to a quarter of this amount from supporters in Canada. According to Canadian police and intelligence agencies, the LTTE raises money in Canada through donations, organized crime and LTTE front organizations. LTTE supporters in Canada are suspected of involvement in a number of illegal activities such as drug trafficking, human smuggling and passport forgery and fraud. They have also been a major factor in spawning Tamil street gangs in Toronto.

The major LTTE front groups in Canada, according to the U.S. State Department, are the World Tamil Movement and the Federation of Associations of Canadian Tamils, the major umbrella organization for pro-LTTE groups. According to the Canadian-based Mackenzie Institute, these two pro-LTTE groups dominate Canadian Tamil life whereas the front organizations for other terrorist groups, like those sup-porting Islamic extremist groups or Sikh terrorist groups, do not exert the same level of influence on and control over the lives of the members of the particular ethnic community.

According to the Mackenzie Institute, the LTTE fundraising machine in Canada is "arguably the most sophisticated of any terrorist organization being undertaken on Canadian soil." Donations are both voluntary, through regular contributions, and coerced, through extortion and intimidation. Pro-LTTE messages are regularly broadcast over the four Tamil 24-hour radio stations, Tamil-language television shows and 10 Tamil weekly newspapers. These media outlets risk the loss of advertising and face intimidating violence if they do not take a pro-LTTE line.

The U.S., Britain and Australia have designated the LTTE as a terrorist organization. The LTTE does not appear on Canada's list of banned terrorist organizations. Canadian Foreign MinisterBill Graham reportedly blocked adding the LTTE to the list because of the ongoing negotiations between the Sri Lankan government and the LTTE.

Canadian Anti-Terror Initiatives

In December 2001, the Canadian Parliament passed the Anti-Terrorism Act, which made perpetrating, financing, or contributing to terrorist activity in Canada a crime. It is now a crime to knowingly support terrorist organizations through overt violence, documentary support, shelter or funds. The legislation requires the publication of a list of terrorist groups deemed to constitute a threat to the security of Canada and Canadians. The act also increased the government's investigative powers and paved the way for the country to sign the last two of the United Nations' 12 antiterrorism conventions.

At this writing, Canada has designated 34 foreign terrorist organizations. The assets of the groups have been frozen, and belonging to a banned terrorist group, raising money for it or supporting its activities is a crime that could bring up to 10 years in prison. Most recently, in November 2003, Canada added to the list the Palestine Liberation Front, the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command
 
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I can't believe that your all such a bunch of drama queens over there
...or so easily manipulated.

Guns and automobiles are going to kill the best part of 100,000 americans in this year alone.

Meanwhile, you're spending zillions of buxx on this nonsense.


It is jolly exciting though, isn't it.
 
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I can't believe that your all such a bunch of drama queens over there
...or so easily manipulated.

Guns and automobiles are going to kill the best part of 100,000 americans in this year alone.

Meanwhile, you're spending zillions of buxx on this nonsense.


It is jolly exciting though, isn't it.
It is always so nice to hear the comments and ideals of an intellectual icon. :lolBIG:
 

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Guns and automobiles are going to kill the best part of 100,000 americans in this year alone.

Meanwhile, you're spending zillions of buxx on this nonsense.


You are partially correct anyway. 43k people die in car crashes every year. 30k people die each year from guns (homicide, legal intervention, suicide and accidental). But you are incorrect that we are "spending zillions of buxx on nonsense".

The problem is we aren't spending nearly enough on protecting our borders, which is why citizen groups feel they have to do it themselves. You apparently feel awfully smug to say we're drama queens because we want to protect ourselves. I would guess you don't know anyone who died from a terrorist act. I do. I've been to funerals of people who died at the hands of terrorists. I wasn't laughing then and I'm not laughing now. But thanks for your humanity. I'm touched by your kindness and concern toward your fellow man.

And by the way, I spend most of every day trying to prevent motor vehicle injuries and deaths. I do have a lot to say about that. And we aren't spending nearly enough on that either. But we're working on it.
 
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As far as immigrants are concerned:
If you want to stop immigrants then you change employment law, but that would cost US businesses too much money.
Illegal immigration is profitable for business.

You can stop stuff like steel imports etc at the border, but you can't stop people.
They put a wall up in Berlin a wee while back but it didn't stop people getting through.



Snapshots of volunteer "Minutemen" on US/Mexico border
For those unfamiliar with US/Mexico border politics, these are the volunteer border patrol militias comprised of heavily armed, grumpy-looking white people who have self-organized to stem the flood of wannabe janitors, dishwashers, and nannies who threaten our national security.
http://www.boingboing.net/2005/04/15/snapshots_of_volunte.html


I notice the ACLU is monitoring the MM now.
http://www.indybay.org/news/2005/04/1731399.php
 
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I would guess you don't know anyone who died from a terrorist act. I do. I've been to funerals of people who died at the hands of terrorists.

So are you a NY cop? (or whatever) from NY?

Did you guys talk about the collapse of WTC 7?

That was the one that only had a fire and yet it still came down just like the other buildings in a vertical demolition configuration.
 

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No I'm not a cop and not from NY. I run an organization involved in transportation safety. I knew two guys who worked in the WTC.

As far as your technical argument that likely has some conspiracy tinge in it, i'm not a structural engineer, nor an expert on fire. I don't know enough about those issues to comment. I'm not an engineer and won't play one on the internet.
 
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No. I'm not a conspiracy theorist.
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(Building architecture/design interests me.)

My source is the not-too-conspiratorial concreteproducts.com

They've banned that WTC steel floor truss system for new skyscrapers in NY.

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