Everybody in the NBA travels!

[ham]

I know I'm being Captain Obvious here, but I play a lot of basketball, and everytime somebody pulls off a good move, I rewind my DVR and dissect the play. I initially started doing this a month ago, and I've been utterly shocked at how many NBA players get away with traveling. These plays also end up on NBA TV's daily or weekly highlight reels. Not only do refs overlook it, but even the analysts including fellow NBA players themselves, cease to notice it. Either that, or there was a rule change that you can take three steps.

Lebron James especially does this a LOT. Two of his highlight plays this week, saw him taking three steps. I notice this, because for those who actually play real basketball, as opposed to just bet on it, driving on both left and right sides of the basket is one of the hardest things to master. To add, depending on your speed, positioning, and your opponent's defense, it could really throw off the synchronization between your feet and hands. If you're gonna layup with your right hand, you lift off with your left, and vice versa. Anyhoo, if you don't play fundamental basketball, you won't get it...

That said, I've always looked up to NBA players and thought, "Man, how do they do that?" Well, I've finally learned that they do it by traveling. :missingte

For those who have a DVR, try it out today. NBA TV recaps the games with highlights every day. Record one of the episodes and watch the dribble penetrations and fast break dunks/layups in slow-mo. You will be seriously surprised how many of these guys walk. On average, you'll catch at least three of these incidents in one 30-minute program, appended by the commentators reacting, "OMG LEBRON DESERVES THE MVP!" and "WOW! WHAT A MOVE!"

 

[ham]

Damn, I guess nobody really plays basketball here.

 

[fballplaya]

I know I'm being Captain Obvious here, but I play a lot of basketball, and everytime somebody pulls off a good move, I rewind my DVR and dissect the play. I initially started doing this a month ago, and I've been utterly shocked at how many NBA players get away with traveling. These plays also end up on NBA TV's daily or weekly highlight reels. Not only do refs overlook it, but even the analysts including fellow NBA players themselves, cease to notice it. Either that, or there was a rule change that you can take three steps.

Lebron James especially does this a LOT. Two of his highlight plays this week, saw him taking three steps. I notice this, because for those who actually play real basketball, as opposed to just bet on it, driving on both left and right sides of the basket is one of the hardest things to master. To add, depending on your speed, positioning, and your opponent's defense, it could really throw off the synchronization between your feet and hands. If you're gonna layup with your right hand, you lift off with your left, and vice versa. Anyhoo, if you don't play fundamental basketball, you won't get it...

That said, I've always looked up to NBA players and thought, "Man, how do they do that?" Well, I've finally learned that they do it by traveling. :missingte

For those who have a DVR, try it out today. NBA TV recaps the games with highlights every day. Record one of the episodes and watch the dribble penetrations and fast break dunks/layups in slow-mo. You will be seriously surprised how many of these guys walk. On average, you'll catch at least three of these incidents in one 30-minute program, appended by the commentators reacting, "OMG LEBRON DESERVES THE MVP!" and "WOW! WHAT A MOVE!"

Just to help you out a little....the NBA rule for possession is different then high school, college, AAU, CYO, etc. What may appear to be traveling in the NBA, clearly is not. NBA players are given a "two count" when they make a move. Therefore, most of those moves that you see that appear to be traveling (they would be in college, high school, etc) in the NBA is NOT traveling.

Taking the breaking down film into consideration, add an extra "count" when watching these moves and you'll see that the overwhelming majority of them are legal moves.

The NBA's rules on replacing the pivot foot are same as everwhere else, however on moves to the basket is where the two-step/two-count move is legal.

I hope that clears it up for you.

 

[Shooter60]

fballplaya is correct....but, the two count is only in effect when the player receives the ball while moving.

 

[fballplaya]

fballplaya is correct....but, the two count is only in effect when the player receives the ball while moving.

Yes! Thanks for clarifying that.

 

[ham]

Just to help you out a little....the NBA rule for possession is different then high school, college, AAU, CYO, etc. What may appear to be traveling in the NBA, clearly is not. NBA players are given a "two count" when they make a move. Therefore, most of those moves that you see that appear to be traveling (they would be in college, high school, etc) in the NBA is NOT traveling.

Taking the breaking down film into consideration, add an extra "count" when watching these moves and you'll see that the overwhelming majority of them are legal moves.

The NBA's rules on replacing the pivot foot are same as everwhere else, however on moves to the basket is where the two-step/two-count move is legal.

I hope that clears it up for you.

Yes... I know that you can take TWO steps. hno:

My point is, these guys are taking THREE steps.

 

[fballplaya]

Yes... I know that you can take TWO steps. hno:

My point is, these guys are taking THREE steps.

I still don't think you are understanding......in college, high school and cyo you can take 2 steps........in the NBA you essentially get three... steps....which amounts to 2 counts....

Chances are if it continues to happen....and the refs DON'T call it.....it's probably not traveling....confusing yes....but it is what it is.....hno:

 

[ham]

I still don't think you are understanding......in college, high school and cyo you can take 2 steps........in the NBA you essentially get three... steps....which amounts to 2 counts....

Chances are if it continues to happen....and the refs DON'T call it.....it's probably not traveling....confusing yes....but it is what it is.....hno:

So this isn't a travel?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWsDfnnlvbo

and

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMi-UHw_d4c&feature=related

 

[fballplaya]

So this isn't a travel?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWsDfnnlvbo

and

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMi-UHw_d4c&feature=related

In both cases NO. The Andre Miller play looks the worse of the two, however if you look closely, what is the one thing you need to have in order to travel??? Possession of the ball. As Miller accepts the pass, the ball clearly shifts in his hand in an attempt to gain full control (i.e. possession) of the ball...therefore steps are irrelevant until control is established....not traveling.

The KG play is the exact definition of the NBA rule of what is legal as far as "traveling" is considered.....

Here is another reason why both plays were not traveling......none of the officials in either game blew their whistles and called it traveling....

I understand your fustration......I was the same way until I learned the NBA rule...which doesn't necessarily mean I agree with it....but I do understand it.

 

[ham]

In both cases NO. The Andre Miller play looks the worse of the two, however if you look closely, what is the one thing you need to have in order to travel??? Possession of the ball. As Miller accepts the pass, the ball clearly shifts in his hand in an attempt to gain full control (i.e. possession) of the ball...therefore steps are irrelevant until control is established....not traveling.

The KG play is the exact definition of the NBA rule of what is legal as far as "traveling" is considered.....

Here is another reason why both plays were not traveling......none of the officials in either game blew their whistles and called it traveling....

I understand your fustration......I was the same way until I learned the NBA rule...which doesn't necessarily mean I agree with it....but I do understand it.

Okay, so you're saying that you can take three steps once you stop bouncing the ball. Can you refer me to a direct link to this rule? I've never heard of this, and just today, in the Hornets/Suns game, CP3 took 2 and a half steps in the 3rd, and the commentators called traveling on it. They even replayed the footage twice and laughed that the officials overlooked it.

 

[brewers7]

Okay, so you're saying that you can take three steps once you stop bouncing the ball. Can you refer me to a direct link to this rule? I've never heard of this, and just today, in the Hornets/Suns game, CP3 took 2 and a half steps in the 3rd, and the commentators called traveling on it. They even replayed the footage twice and laughed that the officials overlooked it.

Do you really play competitive basketball??...I have never seen someone who has actually played competitive basketball be so concerned over this...

And, Ok, so you believe homer commentators over paid NBA referees, now??...

You need to understand that the NBA is NOT high school or college ball...Different rules...

In the end, none of this matters when trying to figure out whether the Spurs are going to cover against Denver tonight...

You might want to take this argument to a more appropriate forum like http://forum.officiating.com/ or find a forum where refs hang out at who are dying to answer questions like this...

Anyway, GL to you...

 

[P_Nut]

LOL @ Andre Miller making 5 steps. Come on guys, it is a clear traveling.

 

[ham]

Do you really play competitive basketball??...I have never seen someone who has actually played competitive basketball be so concerned over this...

And, Ok, so you believe homer commentators over paid NBA referees, now??...

You need to understand that the NBA is NOT high school or college ball...Different rules...

In the end, none of this matters when trying to figure out whether the Spurs are going to cover against Denver tonight...

You might want to take this argument to a more appropriate forum like http://forum.officiating.com/ or find a forum where refs hang out at who are dying to answer questions like this...

Anyway, GL to you...

Sure, different rules, but not that different.

Here it is fellas. Right out of the NBA's officiating thread. You can only take TWO STEPS after dribbling. You CANNOT take your pivot foot off the ground, unless you're gonna pass or shoot the ball. Also, you can only take ONE STEP if you haven't dribbled the ball yet.

Section XIV-Traveling
a. A player who receives the ball while standing still may pivot, using either foot as the pivot foot.
b. A player who receives the ball while he is progressing or upon completion of a dribble, may use a two-count rhythm in coming to a stop, passing or shooting the ball.
The first count occurs:
(1) As he receives the ball, if either foot is touching the floor at the time he receives it.
(2) As the foot touches the floor, or as both feet touch the floor simultane- ously after he receives the ball, if both feet are off the floor when he receives it.
The second occurs:
(1) After the count of one when either foot touches the floor, or both feet touch the floor simultaneously.
c. A player who comes to a stop on the count of one may pivot, using either foot as the pivot foot.
d. A player who comes to a stop on the count of two, with one foot in advance of the other, may pivot using only the rear foot as the pivot foot.
e. A player who comes to a stop on the count of two, with neither foot in advance of the other, may use either foot as the pivot foot.
f. In starting a dribble after (1) receiving the ball while standing still, or (2) coming to a legal stop, the ball must be out of the player's hand before the pivot foot is raised off the floor.
g. If a player, with the ball in his possession, raises his pivot foot off the floor, he must pass or shoot before his pivot foot returns to the floor. If he drops the ball while in the air, he may not be the first to touch the ball.
h. A player who falls to the floor while holding the ball, or while coming to a stop, may not gain an advantage by sliding.
i. A player who attempts a field goal may not be the first to touch the ball if it fails to touch the backboard, basket ring or another player.
PENALTY: Loss of ball. The ball is awarded to the opposing team at the sideline, nearest spot of the violation but no nearer the baseline than the foul line extended.