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Interesting take on some of these teams. Their rankings may be a starting point, but the ending point is another story. For the Big 12, I don't see TCU and Baylor repeating exactly what they did last year and both end up the regular season in the top 6. There will be a fall off. More than likely with Baylor breaking in a new QB and offensive coordinator. They probably have Tennessee a little high. I don't think they finish in the top 20. But I don't think they'll be a shit show either. More than likely something around 25 or just outside of it.

Missouri is an interesting team. We did a write up on them on out website this past week. My feeling is they probably won't be any better or worse than last season. They need to replace some very good DE's and WR's. But I don't think they are going to continue to fly under the radar with the public, and especially with the other teams in the SEC East. I know there are many that will disregard this trend, but in the 10 years since I've been keeping track of ATS records, I've never seen a Power 5 program (or BCS team) win 8 or more games ATS in the regular season in a 3 year span. Two years have always been their max. In fact, I can only remember one non-Power 5 program accomplish this feat. And that was Western Kentucky a few years ago when they had Willie Taggart. But that was a WAY under the radar team from the Sunbelt. So I'm just saying that even though Mizzou has a good program, 8 ATS wins might be asking a bit much. And they'll be going against ATS history.

I was hoping they would have ranked Arizona a little lower. They could fly under the radar in the early season and be a good ATS team. Especially as a dog or at home. I think they have Ga Tech ranked too high. FSU has very little resistance in their conference, so they are probably a little low. Ole Miss is probably too low. Especially if they can get some consistent QB play this season. I'm okay with Oregon at number 3 until the Pac-12 fields a good enough defensive team to stop them. So far I haven't seen it. Stanford probably remains their best chance at dethroning them in the North. I'm still not that sold on the two California teams USC and UCLA. But at least the Trojans have Kessler, who I think is a Heisman quality QB. Still not sure about their coach or their defense. They have a lot to prove, as well as UCLA without Hundley.





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    Mark Schlabach, College Football Reporter

    Nearly 100,000 fans showed up last month to watch defending national champion Ohio State's spring game.

    With three quarterbacks, star tailback Ezekiel Elliott and one of the country's best defensive lines coming back, there's little doubt the Buckeyes deserve to be No. 1 heading into the 2015 season.

    But OSU coach Urban Meyer isn't impressed with his team so far.

    "We did not improve as a team," Meyer told reporters after the spring game. "That was not a good team out there. We did not improve as a team. Last year, we were so young. I felt like we got better as a team because we weren't very good, but I saw them getting better as a team.

    "As a team, that's much worse that what you saw in January, obviously. But we did get individually better."

    Meyer's criticism aside, the Buckeyes still look better than everyone else in college football, which is why they remain No. 1 in the 2015 Way-Too-Early Top 25 now that spring has wrapped up. Joining OSU in the coveted top four -- which would assure them a spot in the College Football Playoff -- are TCU, Oregon and Auburn.
    Way-Too-Early Top 25

    1. Ohio State Buckeyes

    In three seasons, Urban Meyer has built Ohio State into the country's hottest program, going 38-3 overall, 24-0 in Big Ten regular-season games and winning the inaugural College Football Playoff. The scariest part: Meyer might only be getting warmed up. With multiple star quarterbacks, the country's best tailback and a menacing defensive line, the Buckeyes are the team to beat in 2015.

    2. TCU Horned Frogs

    After being left out of the four-team playoff last season, the Horned Frogs should have a sizable chip on their shoulders. Quarterback Trevone Boykin might be the country's best player, and nine other starters are coming back from an offense that averaged 46.5 points in 2014. TCU has to rebuild its defense, but coach Gary Patterson's teams always seem to get the job done on that side of the ball.

    3. Oregon Ducks

    How will the Ducks replace departed Heisman Trophy winner Marcus Mariota, the school's all-time leading passer with 10,796 passing yards and 136 total touchdowns? Perhaps they'll look to a guy who threw for more than 10,000 yards in three seasons at an FCS school. Eastern Washington transfer Vernon Adams arrives in Eugene this summer, and he'll have plenty of weapons around him in the Ducks' high-flying offense. He'll have to beat out junior Jeff Lockie, however, who went 9-of-9 for 223 yards and three touchdowns in Oregon's spring game on Saturday.

    4. Auburn Tigers

    If new quarterback Jeremy Johnson is as good as advertised, Auburn coach Gus Malzahn's high-octane spread offense should be better than ever. Will Auburn's defense be any better? Malzahn hired former Florida coach Will Muschamp to give his team's defense more teeth, and linemen Montravius Adams and Carl Lawson are good building blocks.

    5. USC Trojans

    If the Trojans stay healthy in Year 2 under coach Steve Sarkisian, they might have enough talent to challenge Oregon for a Pac-12 title and a spot in the playoffs. Quarterback Cody Kessler is one of the country's more underrated passers, and JuJu Smith and Adoree' Jackson are emerging playmakers. Safety Su'a Cravens leads a talented USC defense that will have to replace All-American defensive end Leonard Williams.

    6. Baylor Bears

    From RGIII to Bryce Petty, Baylor coach Art Briles plugs quarterbacks into his system better than anyone. Next in line: Seth Russell, who completed 56.5 percent of his passes for 804 yards with eight touchdowns and one interception in 2014. It's more about who will be around him: 1,000-yard receivers KD Cannon and Corey Coleman, 1,200-yard rusher Shock Linwood and five returning starters on the offensive line, including all-America tackle Spencer Drango.

    7. Alabama Crimson Tide

    Are we starting to see cracks in Alabama's dynasty? The Crimson Tide lost badly in the Allstate Sugar Bowl at the end of each of the past two seasons, including a 42-35 defeat against Ohio State in the semifinals of the 2014 College Football Playoff. Alabama hasn't settled on a starting quarterback -- it figures to be either FSU transfer Jake Coker or redshirt freshman David Cornwell -- and it will have to replace star tailback T.J. Yeldon and receivers Amari Cooper and DeAndrew White.

    8. Michigan State Spartans

    Talk about consistency: The Spartans have won 11 games or more in four of the past five seasons. Their only two losses in 2014 came against Oregon and Ohio State, which played for the national championship. With quarterback Connor Cook coming back, MSU might be the second-best team in the Big Ten. Without tailback Jeremy Langford, it's probably not good enough to unseat Ohio State.

    9. Georgia Bulldogs

    The Bulldogs have to get more out of their passing game so they're not completely one-dimensional. Tailback Nick Chubb is going to carry a heavy load after running for 1,547 yards with 14 touchdowns as a freshman. Georgia's defense improved dramatically under first-year coordinator Jeremy Pruitt in 2014, and linebackers Leonard Floyd, Jordan Jenkins and Lorenzo Carter might punish opposing quarterbacks this coming season.

    10. Clemson Tigers

    If quarterback Deshaun Watson comes back strong from a knee injury, the Tigers are going to be really hard to stop, even after former offensive coordinator Chad Morris left to become SMU's head coach. Watson is going to be surrounded by a deep receiver corps, including Artavis Scott and Mike Williams. Clemson's schedule also sets up well, with home games against Notre Dame, Georgia Tech and FSU.

    11. UCLA Bruins

    Maybe the hype about UCLA came a year too soon -- if Bruins coach Jim Mora can find a quarterback to replace departed star Brett Hundley. UCLA's roster included 50 freshmen and sophomores this past season, and playmakers such as Eddie Vanderdoes and Myles Jack are only going to continue to improve. UCLA's schedule in 2015 won't be easy, with road games at Arizona, Stanford, Utah and USC.

    12. Notre Dame Fighting Irish

    Notre Dame was one of the youngest teams in the country in 2014, which should pay some dividends in 2015. Ten starters are coming back on defense and nine on offense, including the entire offensive line. Fighting Irish coach Brian Kelly must choose between quarterbacks Everett Golson and Malik Zaire, but whoever wins the job should be effective with the top five rushers and top three receivers coming back.

    13. Arizona Wildcats

    Arizona was probably a year ahead of schedule after winning the Pac-12 South and reaching the VIZIO Fiesta Bowl with a freshman quarterback and tailback. There's plenty of firepower coming back on offense: Anu Solomon threw for 3,793 yards with 28 touchdowns, tailback Nick Wilson ran for 1,375 yards with 16 touchdowns and sophomore Cayleb Jones had 73 catches for 1,019 yards with nine scores.

    14. Ole Miss Rebels

    The Rebels gave us a glimpse of their potential when they won their first seven games in 2014, including an upset of Alabama. Ole Miss' star power is undeniable: defensive tackle Robert Nkemdiche, offensive tackle Laremy Tunsil and receiver Laquon Treadwell are among the best players in the country. Do the Rebels have enough depth to survive the rugged SEC West?

    15. Florida State Seminoles

    Few teams have recruited and reloaded better than Florida State the past few seasons, but coach Jimbo Fisher might be staring at a rebuilding job in 2015. Quarterback Jameis Winston left early for the NFL draft, along with defensive linemen Eddie Goldman and Mario Edwards and several other playmakers. Sean Maguire looks to be FSU's new quarterback, and he'll need help from tailback Dalvin Cook and receivers Jesus Wilson and Travis Rudolph.

    16. LSU Tigers

    LSU might be one piece away from returning to college football's upper echelon. Does Tigers coach Les Miles have a quarterback on his roster that can get the job done? The Tigers started nine freshmen and sophomores against Notre Dame in the Franklin American Mortgage Music City Bowl, including tailback Leonard Fournette, who was as good as advertised while running for 1,034 yards with 10 touchdowns as a freshman.

    17. Wisconsin Badgers

    New Wisconsin coach Paul Chryst inherited a pretty talented roster (minus departed tailback Melvin Gordon) and a favorable schedule in 2015. The Badgers open the season against Alabama in Arlington, Texas, which won't be easy, but they don't play Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State or Penn State during the regular season. Sophomore Corey Clement looks to be Wisconsin's next star tailback, but he'll need more help from the passing game.

    18. Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets

    Who said coach Paul Johnson's triple-option spread offense had run its course at Georgia Tech? The Yellow Jackets went 11-3 in 2014, upsetting Georgia and then Mississippi State in the Capital One Orange Bowl. Sophomore quarterback Justin Thomas is a tailor-made fit for the offense, passing for 1,719 yards with 18 touchdowns and running for a team-high 1,086 yards with eight scores in 2014. The only problem: Nearly everyone else who touched the ball last season is gone, including the top two receivers and four of the top five running backs.

    19. Arizona State Sun Devils

    It almost seems like an oxymoron, but well-traveled Todd Graham has brought stability to Arizona State. The Sun Devils won 10 games in back-to-back seasons for the first time since 1970-73, and they're bringing back nine starters on defense this coming season. Quarterback Mike Bercovici started three games last season, and tailback D.J. Foster is going to be utilized as a slot receiver to help him play in the NFL.

    20. Tennessee Volunteers

    The Volunteers have been taking baby steps to relevancy under coach Butch Jones, going 12-13 in his first two seasons. Now, it's time for Tennessee's recruiting success and potential to start translating into victories. Quarterback Joshua Dobbs and tailback Jalen Hurd are nice pieces on offense, and they'll have four returning offensive linemen blocking for them. Tennessee's schedule is also favorable, with only four true road games: at Florida, Alabama, Kentucky and Missouri.

    21. Arkansas Razorbacks

    After losing 13 consecutive SEC games to start the Bret Bielema era (and 17 in a row overall), the Hogs finally turned the corner at the end the 2014 season. With star tailbacks Jonathan Williams and Alex Collins both coming back, along with four starting offensive linemen, the Hogs are going to be a tough out in the SEC West. The Razorbacks will be tested early and often with SEC road games at Tennessee, Alabama, Ole Miss and LSU.

    22. Boise State Broncos

    Life after former coach Chris Petersen wasn't too bad, as the Broncos went 12-2 and defeated Arizona 38-30 in the VIZIO Fiesta Bowl in coach Bryan Harsin's first season. Even without star tailback Jay Ajayi, the Broncos will again be favored to win the Mountain West and appear in another New Year's Six bowl in 2015. The offensive line is returning intact, along with four other starters on offense and eight on defense.

    23. Stanford Cardinal

    After slipping to 8-5 in 2014, the Cardinal will be motivated to turn things around this coming season. Stanford coach David Shaw is too good for his team to stay down for long. Quarterback Kevin Hogan is going to be a four-year starter, and tailback Christian McCaffrey is a potential star. The Cardinal has to replace a ton of proven playmakers on defense. Stanford's schedule isn't easy, but at least it plays Arizona, UCLA, Oregon and Notre Dame at home.

    24. Missouri Tigers

    If we learned anything in the SEC the past two seasons it was to not overlook the Tigers, even with heavy personnel losses. Missouri surprised everyone by winning the SEC East for a second straight season in 2014. To win a third consecutive SEC East title, the Tigers will have to replace star defensive ends Markus Golden and Shane Ray, as well as most of their receivers. The good news: Missouri will play division rivals South Carolina, Florida and Tennessee at home.

    25. Louisville Cardinals

    After going 9-4 in its first season in the ACC, the Cardinals are looking for a quick fix in Year 2. Coach Bobby Petrino brought in a bunch of transfers to shore up his receiver corps and defense. Former TCU star Devonte Fields could provide a better pass rush, and Georgia transfers Josh Harvey-Clemons and Shaq Wiggins should help shore up the secondary. Ja'Quay Williams (Texas A&M) and Jamari Staples (UAB) might help restock a depleted receiver corps.​



 

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Stanford could be the most underrated of all of the above. They should win 10 or 11 games this year.
 

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Stanford could be the most underrated of all of the above. They should win 10 or 11 games this year.

I agree. I think Stanford will be better than Georgia Tech, Wisconsin and Tennessee who are listed above them.
 

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Stanford has ZERO chance of winning 10-11 games this season. To do this, they could only afford a maximum of two losses. The play the following teams: At Northwestern, at USC, Arizona, UCLA, Washington, Oregon, and Notre Dame. I think that there are at least three losses in that schedule. Stanford has no offense to speak of. I really do not understand how some poeple in here dream this stuff up.
 

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I agree. I think Stanford will be better than Georgia Tech, Wisconsin and Tennessee who are listed above them.
I think the only reason Wisconsin is ranked above Stanford is because of their schedule. They don't have to play Ohio St, Michigan, Mich St or Penn St. They'll lose to Bama, but any halfway decent team should be able to win 9 or 10 games with their schedule. That should keep them in the top 25.
 

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I think the only reason Wisconsin is ranked above Stanford is because of their schedule. They don't have to play Ohio St, Michigan, Mich St or Penn St. They'll lose to Bama, but any halfway decent team should be able to win 9 or 10 games with their schedule. That should keep them in the top 25.

I made that same point in another thread. You can make the same case for Iowa (miss the same 4 teams) or Nebraska (only hosts MSU night game). They could all have decent records and not really be a top 20 team. But since Wisconsin is the focal point, the problems I see is they have to replace a lot of the Oline, their best runningback (school history?) aside from that they have one good possession wr and a sub-par QB. Then they face Iowa, @ Nebraska to start the Big Ten schedule. It all depends on how well they get that offensive line going. Wisconsin can be like a freight train. They are slow to get going, but when they get momentum running that ball, they are tough. Their defense should be pretty damn good, but I think they'll have a 2012ish type start on offense, at least. They'll get pounded by Alabama (Clement is not a homerun-runner like Gordon), so for them to stay a top 20 ranked team it depends on those two B10 games. Iowa is always a tough out for them. They've walked over Nebraska more than once, but I don't expect that again, not with a attacking scheme on defense. They may very well win both. Regardless, I think they are barely a top 25 team with late season potential.
 

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  • 8. Michigan State Spartans

    Talk about consistency: The Spartans have won 11 games or more in four of the past five seasons. Their only two losses in 2014 came against Oregon and Ohio State, which played for the national championship. With quarterback Connor Cook coming back, MSU might be the second-best team in the Big Ten. Without tailback Jeremy Langford, it's probably not good enough to unseat Ohio State.
Over-rated as well. It's not jus Langford (who was the fasted RB at NFL combine), they also lost its second leading rusher. Plus it lost its two starters at WR. Mumphry is replaceable, but Lippett had 65 receptions (almost 40 more than the next guy) and was Cook's go too guy when in doubt and also when not. They were so on the same page, he'd throw the ball to a spot without the guy being open and he'd make the catch. They both knew where to be. That's a bigger loss, imo, than the top two runningbacks. But in all they lost 70% of the run game, 50% of the receiving game and 45 TD's. On the bright-side the Oline is back and Cook is an NFL QB, but he's got some river-boat gambler in him, so if that qb-wr connection isn't there, it could be a tougher go of things. I want to see how Oregon reloads before I claim the loss (but it's an uphill battle even at home), plus they go @ Michigan, @ Nebraska, @ Ohio State and close with Penn State at home. They won't finish Top Ten. I feel pretty confident saying that.....with that said, they are still the 2nd best team in the conference.
 

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Over-rated as well. It's not jus Langford (who was the fasted RB at NFL combine), they also lost its second leading rusher. Plus it lost its two starters at WR. Mumphry is replaceable, but Lippett had 65 receptions (almost 40 more than the next guy) and was Cook's go too guy when in doubt and also when not. They were so on the same page, he'd throw the ball to a spot without the guy being open and he'd make the catch. They both knew where to be. That's a bigger loss, imo, than the top two runningbacks. But in all they lost 70% of the run game, 50% of the receiving game and 45 TD's. On the bright-side the Oline is back and Cook is an NFL QB, but he's got some river-boat gambler in him, so if that qb-wr connection isn't there, it could be a tougher go of things. I want to see how Oregon reloads before I claim the loss (but it's an uphill battle even at home), plus they go @ Michigan, @ Nebraska, @ Ohio State and close with Penn State at home. They won't finish Top Ten. I feel pretty confident saying that.....with that said, they are still the 2nd best team in the conference.
I look for Sparty to continue to have problems on defense. Their linebackers were their weakness last year. I look for their inexperienced secondary to give them problems this year. Waynes and Drummond were damn good. Dantonio is a great coach and MSU is still a good program. But the expectations will probably be a little too high for them this year
 

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I look for Sparty to continue to have problems on defense. Their linebackers were their weakness last year. I look for their inexperienced secondary to give them problems this year. Dantonio is a great coach and MSU is still a good program. But the expectations will probably be a little too high for them this year

New DC and rumblings that the Baylor game have influenced them to make some small tweaks to the defense....nothing major, mind you, but those two things could have a big impact. Dline will be very good though.
 

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Interesting discussion even if it is three months early. Injuries are still going to play a large part in where teams end up, and judging by the lack of intelligence of the 2015 football athlete, so will arrests and flunking out of school.
 

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Stanford could be the most underrated of all of the above. They should win 10 or 11 games this year.
I would feel better about Stanford if they hadn't lost 8 starters off of their defense, including 6 of the front 7. Stat-wise it was the best defense they've ever fielded (allowed only 303 ypg). Their defense basically carried them last year. I have a feeling that they'll be a much different team this year. Shaw is really liking what he sees in Hogan this season. I think Stanford will be better on offense. But I look for them to take a step back on defense. Especially in the early going. I may be wrong about this, but I think Stanford is in a bit of a decline as a program. They were only 8th in the conference in recruiting last year. And it's already a tough place to recruit quality players on a consistent basis. Harbaugh did a phenomenal job when he was there. And Shaw is a decent coach. But the farther they get from the Harbaugh/Luck era, the weaker they are probably going to get. If I was Shaw, with all of these Pac-12 programs getting better around him, given half a chance he should probably bolt for the NFL, where's he coached before. Of course, that's just my opinion. But from an outsider, it looks to me like the power structure is beginning to change in that conference.
 

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I like Stanford for one simple reason...they cover the spread. If they win 11 this season or 8 like last season, just being honest I could care less. The Cards play defense and last year even with an 8-5 record they were #3 in the nation in scoring defense. If you don't respect scoring defense as far as against the spread...might want to spent some hours doing some research.

2010: 8-4 ATS
2011: 10-2 ATS
2012: 9-5 ATS
2013: 7-7 ATS
2014: 7-6 ATS

Just a measly 63% the past 5 years. Cards will cover more than they lose again 2015.
 

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I like Stanford for one simple reason...they cover the spread. If they win 11 this season or 8 like last season, just being honest I could care less. The Cards play defense and last year even with an 8-5 record they were #3 in the nation in scoring defense. If you don't respect scoring defense as far as against the spread...might want to spent some hours doing some research.

2010: 8-4 ATS
2011: 10-2 ATS
2012: 9-5 ATS
2013: 7-7 ATS
2014: 7-6 ATS

Just a measly 63% the past 5 years. Cards will cover more than they lose again 2015.
Yeah, but Clover your not making an argument for Stanford with those ATS trends. Notice how they've declined ATS the last 2 years? They've barely broken .500. In other words, they haven't made their backers any money. And I have my doubts they will this year either.
 

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Understand my friend...but are they COSTING supporters any money

Your hitting 52 to 55 percent at your Saturday site...not a team I would throw out the window.

In an offensive crazed conference...I take some confidence in a defensive team who has been a proven winner.

Just my take....and if they cost me this season...just playing the odds.
 

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