ELI Manning Might be The Worst Rookie QB Ever

FairWarning · Dec 14, 2004

Manning has started against the following teams:

Atlanta - home
Eagles - home
At Washington
At Baltimore

Lets see here, all 4 defenses in the top-10 minimum. I would venture to say that if Big Ben were on the Giants and not the Steelers, the numbers would be similar. Big Ben hasn't exactly lit it up for the last month, just has a better supporting cast. Manning will be fine next year.

Dante · Dec 14, 2004

FairWarning said:
Manning has started against the following teams:

Atlanta - home
Eagles - home
At Washington
At Baltimore

Lets see here, all 4 defenses in the top-10 minimum. I would venture to say that if Big Ben were on the Giants and not the Steelers, the numbers would be similar. Big Ben hasn't exactly lit it up for the last month, just has a better supporting cast. Manning will be fine next year.

fair..I disagree...he has much more RAW skill then Eli he is BIGGER, tuffer Much more mobile and he is not a whiney ass baby... I would put it at 4-7 at the worst in 11 games with the giants

FairWarning · Dec 14, 2004

Big Bens starts:

<TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=1 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=bg2><TD>09/26</TD><TD>@Miami</TD><TD>W 13-3</TD><TD>Yes</TD><TD>22</TD><TD>12</TD><TD>54.5</TD><TD>163</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>74.6</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>2.0</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

<TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=1 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=bg0 align=middle><TD colSpan=4>October </TD><TD colSpan=9>Passing </TD><TD colSpan=5>Rushing </TD><TD colSpan=2>Fumbles </TD></TR><TR class=bg1 vAlign=top><TH>GAMEDATE</TH><TH>Opp</TH><TH>RESULT</TH><TH>GS</TH><TH>Att</TH><TH>Comp</TH><TH>Pct</TH><TH>Yds</TH><TH>TD</TH><TH>Int</TH><TH>Rate</TH><TH>Sac</TH><TH>Yds</TH><TH>Att</TH><TH>Yds</TH><TH>Avg</TH><TH>Lg</TH><TH>TD</TH><TH>Fum</TH><TH>Rec</TH></TR><TR class=bg2><TD>10/03</TD><TD>Cincinnati</TD><TD>W 28-17</TD><TD>Yes</TD><TD>25</TD><TD>17</TD><TD>68.0</TD><TD>174</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>101.1</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>6</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>0.5</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD></TR><TR class=bg3><TD>10/10</TD><TD>Cleveland</TD><TD>W 34-23</TD><TD>Yes</TD><TD>21</TD><TD>16</TD><TD>76.2</TD><TD>231</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>107.4</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>6</TD><TD>13</TD><TD>2.2</TD><TD>9</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD></TR><TR class=bg2><TD>10/17</TD><TD>@Dallas</TD><TD>W 24-20</TD><TD>Yes</TD><TD>25</TD><TD>21</TD><TD>84.0</TD><TD>193</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>125.5</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>21</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>8</TD><TD>4.0</TD><TD>9</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD></TR><TR class=bg3><TD>10/31</TD><TD>New England</TD><TD>W 34-20</TD><TD>Yes</TD><TD>24</TD><TD>18</TD><TD>75.0</TD><TD>196</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>126.4</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>0.6</TD><TD>5</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

<TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=1 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=bg0 align=middle><TD colSpan=4>November </TD><TD colSpan=9>Passing </TD><TD colSpan=5>Rushing </TD><TD colSpan=2>Fumbles </TD></TR><TR class=bg1 vAlign=top><TH>GAMEDATE</TH><TH>Opp</TH><TH>RESULT</TH><TH>GS</TH><TH>Att</TH><TH>Comp</TH><TH>Pct</TH><TH>Yds</TH><TH>TD</TH><TH>Int</TH><TH>Rate</TH><TH>Sac</TH><TH>Yds</TH><TH>Att</TH><TH>Yds</TH><TH>Avg</TH><TH>Lg</TH><TH>TD</TH><TH>Fum</TH><TH>Rec</TH></TR><TR class=bg2><TD>11/07</TD><TD>Philadelphia</TD><TD>W 27-3</TD><TD>Yes</TD><TD>18</TD><TD>11</TD><TD>61.1</TD><TD>183</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>109.3</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>15</TD><TD>6</TD><TD>10</TD><TD>1.7</TD><TD>16</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD></TR><TR class=bg3><TD>11/14</TD><TD>@Cleveland</TD><TD>W 24-10</TD><TD>Yes</TD><TD>16</TD><TD>10</TD><TD>62.5</TD><TD>134</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>63.0</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>14</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>38</TD><TD>5.4</TD><TD>20</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD></TR><TR class=bg2><TD>11/21</TD><TD>@Cincinnati</TD><TD>W 19-14</TD><TD>Yes</TD><TD>21</TD><TD>15</TD><TD>71.4</TD><TD>138</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>104.9</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>54</TD><TD>9</TD><TD>16</TD><TD>1.8</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD></TR><TR class=bg3><TD>11/28</TD><TD>Washington</TD><TD>W 16-7</TD><TD>Yes</TD><TD>20</TD><TD>9</TD><TD>45.0</TD><TD>131</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>66.9</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>31</TD><TD>6</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>0.7</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

<TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=1 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=bg0 align=middle><TD colSpan=4>December </TD><TD colSpan=9>Passing </TD><TD colSpan=5>Rushing </TD><TD colSpan=2>Fumbles </TD></TR><TR class=bg1 vAlign=top><TH>GAMEDATE</TH><TH>Opp</TH><TH>RESULT</TH><TH>GS</TH><TH>Att</TH><TH>Comp</TH><TH>Pct</TH><TH>Yds</TH><TH>TD</TH><TH>Int</TH><TH>Rate</TH><TH>Sac</TH><TH>Yds</TH><TH>Att</TH><TH>Yds</TH><TH>Avg</TH><TH>Lg</TH><TH>TD</TH><TH>Fum</TH><TH>Rec</TH></TR><TR class=bg2><TD>12/05</TD><TD>@Jacksonville</TD><TD>W 17-16</TD><TD>Yes</TD><TD>17</TD><TD>14</TD><TD>82.4</TD><TD>221</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>158.0</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>25</TD><TD>3</TD><TD>40</TD><TD>13.3</TD><TD>20</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD></TR><TR class=bg3><TD>12/12</TD><TD>New York</TD><TD>W 17-6</TD><TD>Yes</TD><TD>19</TD><TD>9</TD><TD>47.4</TD><TD>144</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>33.6</TD><TD>2</TD><TD>12</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>-2</TD><TD>-0.5</TD><TD>1</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD><TD>0</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Just pointing out that there are some easy games for Ben (2 Each vs Cleveland and Cincinnati, @ Dallas). He has only thrown for 200+ yards twice which is hard to believe with Staley out a good chunk of the season. I agree with a lot of what you said Dante, but Ben is in a better situation. Remember, the veterans hated Coughlin from the start. When he benched Warner, he lost the team. I can see Coughlin losing his job over this.

jjgold · Dec 14, 2004

Manning is a loser

Rossy is a winner

TheGeneral+ · Dec 14, 2004

Put BR in NY and you get the same results for NY. Pits offense is not pass happy. If it were, BR would have more Int's than TD's. BR has less attempts than 95% of the NFL playing QB's. He will be the cause of Pit losing in playoffs because he is inexperienced.

FairWarning · Dec 14, 2004

The General said:
Put BR in NY and you get the same results for NY. Pits offense is not pass happy. If it were, BR would have more Int's than TD's. BR has less attempts than 95% of the NFL playing QB's. He will be the cause of Pit losing in playoffs because he is inexperienced.

Finally, a voice of reason.

Muddy · Dec 14, 2004

Eli is a good little BOY, but Big Ben is a MAN, he is the real star! :103631605

kidslick · Dec 14, 2004

by the way WHO is that back-up qb

for pittsburg........whats his name...

Dante · Dec 14, 2004

fair....Look at some of those QB ratings you posted yourself above!!! 158...over 100 in 4 games in a row!! also over 60% some as high as 84% YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME!!! for a R O O K I E its AMAZING sir!!!

Dante · Dec 14, 2004

The General said:
Put BR in NY and you get the same results for NY. Pits offense is not pass happy. If it were, BR would have more Int's than TD's. BR has less attempts than 95% of the NFL playing QB's. He will be the cause of Pit losing in playoffs because he is inexperienced.

:lol: :grandmais

HacheMan · Dec 14, 2004

Eli putting up Trent Dilfer numbers in his early Tampa years........

Trent Dilfer

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kidslick · Dec 14, 2004

Location: Iceland
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dante:WTF: i thought you lived in new york

i always wanted to go to iceland by the way......

TheGeneral+ · Dec 14, 2004

<TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=bg0 align=left><TD class=bg0 colSpan=10>Passing Yards</TD></TR><TR class=bg1 align=middle><TD>Rank</TD><TD>Player</TD><TD>Team</TD><TD>Yds</TD><TD>Att</TD><TD>Cmp</TD><TD>TDs</TD><TD>Ints</TD><TD>Long</TD><TD>Rating</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=middle>1</TD><TD align=left>Peyton Manning</TD><TD align=middle>IND</TD><TD>3919</TD><TD>418</TD><TD>288</TD><TD>46</TD><TD>9</TD><TD>80</TD><TD>126.3</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=middle>2</TD><TD align=left>Daunte Culpepper</TD><TD align=middle>MIN</TD><TD>3729</TD><TD>446</TD><TD>311</TD><TD>31</TD><TD>10</TD><TD>63</TD><TD>108.9</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=middle>3</TD><TD align=left>Trent Green</TD><TD align=middle>KC</TD><TD>3636</TD><TD>439</TD><TD>288</TD><TD>21</TD><TD>12</TD><TD>70</TD><TD>95.8</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=middle>4</TD><TD align=left>Donovan McNabb</TD><TD align=middle>PHI</TD><TD>3616</TD><TD>431</TD><TD>277</TD><TD>29</TD><TD>6</TD><TD>80</TD><TD>107.2</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=middle>5</TD><TD align=left>Marc Bulger</TD><TD align=middle>STL</TD><TD>3289</TD><TD>419</TD><TD>272</TD><TD>17</TD><TD>12</TD><TD>56</TD><TD>90.5</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=middle>6</TD><TD align=left>Jake Plummer</TD><TD align=middle>DEN</TD><TD>3248</TD><TD>424</TD><TD>242</TD><TD>22</TD><TD>17</TD><TD>85</TD><TD>82.2</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=middle>7</TD><TD align=left>Aaron Brooks</TD><TD align=middle>NO</TD><TD>3198</TD><TD>473</TD><TD>269</TD><TD>17</TD><TD>14</TD><TD>57</TD><TD>77.3</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=middle>8</TD><TD align=left>Brett Favre</TD><TD align=middle>GB</TD><TD>3160</TD><TD>440</TD><TD>277</TD><TD>23</TD><TD>13</TD><TD>79</TD><TD>89.6</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=middle>9</TD><TD align=left>David Carr</TD><TD align=middle>HOU</TD><TD>3066</TD><TD>393</TD><TD>244</TD><TD>13</TD><TD>12</TD><TD>54</TD><TD>84.6</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=middle>10</TD><TD align=left>Tom Brady</TD><TD align=middle>NE</TD><TD>3031</TD><TD>383</TD><TD>227</TD><TD>21</TD><TD>9</TD><TD>50</TD><TD>92.9</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=middle>11</TD><TD align=left>Jake Delhomme</TD><TD align=middle>CAR</TD><TD>3025</TD><TD>424</TD><TD>243</TD><TD>21</TD><TD>14</TD><TD>63</TD><TD>82.3</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=middle>12</TD><TD align=left>Matt Hasselbeck</TD><TD align=middle>SEA</TD><TD>2990</TD><TD>417</TD><TD>236</TD><TD>18</TD><TD>13</TD><TD>60</TD><TD>80.5</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=middle>13</TD><TD align=left>Carson Palmer</TD><TD align=middle>CIN</TD><TD>2897</TD><TD>432</TD><TD>263</TD><TD>18</TD><TD>18</TD><TD>76</TD><TD>77.3</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=middle>14</TD><TD align=left>Vinny Testaverde</TD><TD align=middle>DAL</TD><TD>2891</TD><TD>398</TD><TD>235</TD><TD>14</TD><TD>17</TD><TD>53</TD><TD>75.5</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=middle>15</TD><TD align=left>Drew Brees</TD><TD align=middle>SD</TD><TD>2784</TD><TD>363</TD><TD>237</TD><TD>23</TD><TD>6</TD><TD>79</TD><TD>102.7</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=middle>16</TD><TD align=left>Kerry Collins</TD><TD align=middle>OAK</TD><TD>2765</TD><TD>400</TD><TD>235</TD><TD>14</TD><TD>15</TD><TD>63</TD><TD>75.9</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=middle>17</TD><TD align=left>Byron Leftwich</TD><TD align=middle>JAC</TD><TD>2636</TD><TD>379</TD><TD>237</TD><TD>13</TD><TD>8</TD><TD>65</TD><TD>85.8</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=middle>18</TD><TD align=left>Drew Bledsoe</TD><TD align=middle>BUF</TD><TD>2388</TD><TD>358</TD><TD>204</TD><TD>18</TD><TD>15</TD><TD>69</TD><TD>76.7</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=middle>19</TD><TD align=left>Brian Griese</TD><TD align=middle>TB</TD><TD>2193</TD><TD>273</TD><TD>190</TD><TD>16</TD><TD>9</TD><TD>68</TD><TD>99.4</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=middle>20</TD><TD align=left>Joey Harrington</TD><TD align=middle>DET</TD><TD>2174</TD><TD>366</TD><TD>201</TD><TD>15</TD><TD>8</TD><TD>50</TD><TD>77.2</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=middle>21</TD><TD align=left>Tim Rattay</TD><TD align=middle>SF</TD><TD>2169</TD><TD>325</TD><TD>198</TD><TD>10</TD><TD>10</TD><TD>65</TD><TD>78.1</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=middle>22</TD><TD align=left>Michael Vick</TD><TD align=middle>ATL</TD><TD>2124</TD><TD>286</TD><TD>164</TD><TD>11</TD><TD>10</TD><TD>62</TD><TD>79.1</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=middle>23</TD><TD align=left>Ben Roethlisberger</TD><TD align=middle>PIT</TD><TD>2084</TD><TD>248</TD><TD>164</TD><TD>14</TD><TD>8</TD><TD>58</TD><TD>97.6</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=middle>24</TD><TD align=left>Kurt Warner</TD><TD align=middle>NYG</TD><TD>2054</TD><TD>277</TD><TD>174</TD><TD>6</TD><TD>4</TD><TD>62</TD><TD>86.5</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=middle>25</TD><TD align=left>Kyle Boller</TD><TD align=middle>BAL</TD><TD>2030</TD><TD>365</TD><TD>207</TD><TD>11</TD><TD>8</TD><TD>57</TD><TD>73.4</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=middle>26</TD><TD align=left>Chad Pennington</TD><TD align=middle>NYJ</TD><TD>1987</TD><TD>274</TD><TD>181</TD><TD>11</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>48</TD><TD>90.1</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=middle>27</TD><TD align=left>Josh McCown</TD><TD align=middle>ARI</TD><TD>1861</TD><TD>305</TD><TD>174</TD><TD>6</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>48</TD><TD>72.0</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=middle>28</TD><TD align=left>Jeff Garcia</TD><TD align=middle>CLE</TD><TD>1731</TD><TD>252</TD><TD>144</TD><TD>10</TD><TD>9</TD><TD>99</TD><TD>76.7</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=middle>29</TD><TD align=left>Billy Volek</TD><TD align=middle>TEN</TD><TD>1708</TD><TD>249</TD><TD>154</TD><TD>13</TD><TD>7</TD><TD>48</TD><TD>87.9</TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=middle>30</TD><TD align=left>A.J. Feeley</TD><TD align=middle>MIA</TD><TD>1519</TD><TD>278</TD><TD>144</TD><TD>9</TD><TD>15</TD><TD>38</TD><TD>56.3</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Dante · Dec 14, 2004

KIDSLICK said:
Location: Iceland
Posts: 30,764

dante:WTF: i thought you lived in new york

i always wanted to go to iceland by the way......

JUst moved about 1 month ago Kidslick...man let me tell you its cold here lots of ice

Dante · Dec 14, 2004

GENERAL, can you post mannings ROOKIE year numbers thanks

TheGeneral+ · Dec 14, 2004

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/12531

Again, you fail to understand the talent level around the QB Dante.

jjgold · Dec 14, 2004

Many experts in the nfl agree they have never seen a qb look so bad that was a number 1 pick

The kid does not have it

Dante · Dec 14, 2004

Dante · Dec 14, 2004

The General said:
http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/12531

Again, you fail to understand the talent level around the QB Dante.

general again I UNDERSTAND that....These are the same guys that went 6-10 LAST year for PITT...all we added was staley and the BUS is doing better then him!!!not much different TALENT there this year then last man, thats what your not realizing sir

jjgold · Dec 14, 2004

Maddux would be around 9-4 right now

ELI Manning Might be The Worst Rookie QB Ever

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