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<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=629 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD colSpan=3>Election reveals divided nation


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The 2004 election has revealed a deeply divided electorate which is polarised more than ever over cultural issues as well as the war in Iraq.

Religion - rather than class, ethnic origin or education - has become the key determinant of voting in the 2004 presidential race, according to an exit poll conducted by the Associated Press news agency.

And moral issues were more important for voters than Iraq, the war on terrorism, or the economy.

According to the exit poll, 22% of the electorate said "moral values" was the issue that mattered most in how they voted - compared to 20% who cited the economy, 19% who cited terrorism, and just 15% who said Iraq was the key issue.

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</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><!-- E IIMA -->Not surprisingly, four out of five voters who cited moral values as their key issue voted for President Bush - as did the same proportion of those who cited terrorism.

In contrast, those most concerned about the economy voted four to one for Senator Kerry, as did three in four of those who cited Iraq as their main concern.



During the campaign itself, polls showed a steady rise in the number citing moral issues like abortion as the top issue facing the country.



Split

In the 2000 election, many analysts saw a nation split down the middle - with Democrats increasingly concentrated in urban, coastal regions, with liberal values, while Republicans were more rural, southern or Middle Western, and held conservative values on issues like gun control and abortion.

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Gay marriage may have been a decisive issue for many voters

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><!-- E IIMA -->That division has persisted in this election - for example, Senator Kerry carried urban areas by 56% to 43%, while President Bush won 56% of rural votes - but that difference weakened compared to the 2000 election.

In big cities, where the Democrats are ahead by two to one, Mr Bush polled 11% higher than in the last election.

What has divided voters in this election, however, are views on the Iraq war, and on new moral issues like stem cell research and same-sex marriage.

Those against gay marriage, for example, voted strongly for Mr Bush, as did those opposed to abortion.

And the electorate divided sharply over Iraq, with the 47% disapproving of the decision to go to war strongly backing Senator Kerry.

Religious vote

The social and cultural divisions in the American electorate are best expressed by the sharp divide in voting patterns by church attendance.

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</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><!-- E IIMA -->Two-thirds of voters who attend religious services regularly (once a week or more) backed President Bush rather than Senator Kerry - and they make up 40% of the electorate.

Those who never attend services, in contrast, backed the Democrats by the same margin - but they make up only 15% of the electorate.

Democrats also ran strongly among unmarried and young people, families with incomes under $30,000 a year, and among the highly educated.

Republicans voters tend to have higher incomes, be located in the South, be married, and are more likely to be white Protestant and male.

But none of these divisions is as sharp as religion in explaining people's votes.

Mobilising issues



In a close race, with turnout the key issue, both sides have sought to mobilise their core supporters as much as possible - and turnout has increased sharply in this election.

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But it appears that the Republicans may have been marginally more effective in energising their base.

For example, turnout rose sharply in many of the 11 states (including Ohio and Michigan) which also rejected gay marriage where it appeared on the same ballot on Tuesday.

The ability of the Republican party to mobilise its religious base could prove to be the decisive factor in what will still be one of the closest elections in US history.

However, this approach risks further dividing the nation.

Recent polls suggest that supporters of the two rival candidates have little respect for their opponent.

An NBC News-Wall Street Journal poll asked people whether they agreed or disagreed with the statement: "No matter who wins the election, America will have a good president." Just 30% said they agreed while two-thirds said they disagreed. The sharp division revealed by the election, then, could persist well beyond voting day.

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What?

Does this mean that Britain is divided when the Torries beat Labor (or vice versa)?

What a friggin joke! I have many friends that supported Kerry - I gave them some schit - just as they would have given me schit had Kerry won - and now it's over!

The division occurs because the networks and party hacks want a division and push for it - like the joke that they pushed about the draft and the crap they push about the Republicans sending blacks back to the plantation.

The BBC is a hack media organization, preaching their own brand of hate!

Now that Daschle is gone from the Senate, maybe the party leaders will figure out that cooperation is the new by-word. The Republicans gained more seats in both houses while the Dems lost - time to begin the healing!
 

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Same non-sense, the country is always divided over ideas. Bush received more votes than any President in history, that's a strong mandate.
 

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He does have a very strong mandate.

If I was gay or a woman I wouldn't be too happy about a future in the land of Christian fundamentalism.

I wonder if there will be any religious police put onto the Canadian border to stop pregnant females crossing over.
 

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game we need to just let these guys vent and make thems selfs believe what they want and they will go back to the hole as soon as we stop responding , trust me i know it is hard not to but we need too 4 MORE YEARS BABY:biggrinin
 

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Why,

YA, It looks like a net gain in the 2006 House and Senate. I really don't want a super majority we do need checks and balances. The left has been hijacked by the radicals.
 

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like bblight said, this is complete BS. I am no fan of bush, but he represents a certain part of our society and kerry represented another part of our society. If you dont want people to be divided on issues then you are in favor of a dictatorship?

This is the whole point of having a two party system. Get with the program folks. just because your party lost, doesnt mean the country is divided, it just means that the nation (by a majority) voted for bush's way of doing things.
 

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eek - what's going to happen to gays and women that's so terrible?

Have the gays lost some right that they previously had?

Have women been demeaned or lessened in some way?

Your attempt at scare tactics had it's desired effect - years ago - but the same tired old lines just don't work - people recognize the lies and inuendo for what it is - the ramblings of a dying ideology!
 

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eek. said:
I wonder if there will be any religious police put onto the Canadian border to stop pregnant females crossing over.

If they try to overturn Roe v. Wade (and they will) Canadian women will cross the border to help our feminist compatriates. American women have contributed more to the liberation of women than any other group, and it will be our due to pay them in kind. I think they will underestimate us, and they will be wrong.
 

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I believe that there is a large division in our nation. It is now up to our President to bring us together.
 

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So what you're saying, eek, is people in this country have different opinions in the political arena.

Wow. Earth shattering and ground breaking.

Next week's report: a story on how all Americans breathe air.
 

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I am a pretty strong republican, but I am not a big fan of all the power the Republicans have gained. As someone posted above I do like some check/balance. As far as the country being divided, when wasn't it? When was the last time a President won 90% of the vote?

I don't think anything has changed, except more media outlets for the far right and left to be heard.
 

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J,not realy about the % of vote. I can remember the two sides being this far apart since the late 60's early 70's.
 

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Let's not forget the democratic party has gone through a lot of changes over the years and they are going to have to change again.People forget or aren't old enough to remember the "old Southern Democrat", highly conservative.Now the Dems don't have a chance in the south and they used to dominate it.
 

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Only in America can 51% be a "strong mandate".

That's like saing a football team won 28-27 in a BLOWOUT.
 

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Bush received the most votes in US history, I guess it depends on how you define "mandate", by the way do you have any comments on how you were dead wrong. Doesn't that map look mighty red?
 
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Indeed I was very wrong. However, I actually did get 48 out of 50 states correct. My only mistakes were -- Ohio and Florida. 500,000 more votes between Ohio and Florida and I get all 50 correct and Kerry wins 299-239.

But yeah yeah yeah, I was wrong, you were right, blah blah blah.

But now Bush owns it. No more blaming Clinton or blaming the Dems. Second term, huge majority in both houses, you got it all to yourselves. If you (well, not you personally) **** it up then take responsibility, would ya.
 

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I agree, if Bush does not produce over the next 4 years I'll be the first to say so.
 

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The map does look all red - I look at all those states and think, who the hell would live there? - I think of the states in the middle of the country as the ones who get my dinner ready and nothing more.
 

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