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Aloha Gang, I hope you all enjoyed that Big Hawaii win against Alabama. It is, like I mentioned, being the biggest victory ever for the Warrior football program. Coach Jones all last week continually stated to the players, that if they wanted to take the step to the next level, then they must win this game. An interesting fact about how successful and deep rooted in tradition and reputation this Alabama Football program is, I have to state the differences in the amount of money Alabama has compared to Hawaii. Alabama's athletics budget is $33 million a year. The Tide's football programs budget is $18 million a year. Hawaii's total athletic programs budget is $18 million a year. Wow, what a big discrepancy.


Anyways, I just wanted to let everyone in on this information early, so they dont have to be worried later about it. Well, Coach Jones has announced today that senior QB Jason Wieldon will be starting in this weeks game against WAC Champs Boise St.

I hope this information will help you in your selection on this game . GL and Aloha CC.
 

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I believe that the Warriors pulled off their biggest victory in school history against 'Bama, however the BYU victory was just as big...I know that 'Bama comes from a stronger conference, but BYU was undefeated at the time and the Warriors not only beat them...they crushed them.... anyway brah, with Wieldon named the starting QB against Boise St., don't be surprised if they pull off a major upset....and prove that this team from a little island can play football with the big boys....look at the volleyball team (men & women)....mahalo brah for the news
 

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Early line is Boise -10. Looks like easy $ here as Boise will win this game by at least 21. Boise has a much better Offense, but Hawaii has shown signs of improvement now and then. Defensively it's no comparison, Boise is much better. I think a win over a bad Bama team is keeping this line so low. Hell, N Illinois kicked Bama's ass so this win isn't all that impressive by a fired up Hawaii team.
 

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YPO, I agree that the BYU defeat or should I say ass spanking was a big win, but it wasn't the biggest win in terms of who Hawaii defeated. We already whooped their asses many times in the past by sort of the same scores. Most notebly was when Hawaii blasted BYU at Aloha Stadium on the eve of Ty Detmar receiving the Heisman Trophy Award. Yeah, that night Hawaii really made the voters look stupid.

Anyway, I was meaning that this victory was big, not because we won it against an SEC team, or that we were underdogs when we did it. It was a BIG victory because of who we defeated. Hawaii can lay claim to defeating probably the most legendary football programs ever to exist. Alabama is the winners of the most National Championships with 12. They probably have been associated with the most legendary coaches of all time, ex Paul "Bear" Bryant, who had a movie made after him. He is responsible for winning 6 of those titles when he was at Alabama.

Speak of Alabama, and the name says it all. Yes, they are having a rough time this year. But they are because of the coaching shuffles and the NCAA suspendsions that they are serving. Still, and I am in no way making excuses for their lose or for why Hawaii won this game. No, not at all. Alabama , is Alabama, and no one and nothing will take away from them and who they are. That is simply, that they represent what college football is all about. They have achieved what all other colleges, besides probably Michigan and ND winners of the second most titles with 11, only wish to achieve. Hell, most colleges wish to only win their conference, not to mention get ranked, and cant possible even imagine winning a National Champship, especially with BCS setup eliminating most teams this opportunity.

Alabama, their football dominance in the past, which was not that distant, still and will probably never lose the respect, fear, praise, noteriety, or legendary status that every team, coaches, or programs give them. Like I mentioned earlier, Alabama name says it all. This is why, this win, though big, is not bigger, more important, or even as monumental as who it was that Hawaii won against.

Also, I like to add that Alabama is not a bad team or a weak team this year. They are actually a very strong team with alot of talent. They are just a team who got caught in the middle of coaching changes, which would fvck up any program as it needs time to jell. Plus, I think people are forgeting that this team record of 4-7 is not due to a weak team, but due to playing the toughest schedule of all NCAA Div 1 schools. This Alabama team also gave Oklahoma its hardest game , and came within one play of beating them. Also, teams who has players on the verge of setting records also cant be so weak. So I must give credit where and for whom I see fit.

This monumental victory over Alabama, brings more national recognition for Hawaii, especially because this game also was a game that had an impact on this years BCS game for the National Title. This win, probably helped USC secure their chance at the National Title game, instead of LSU. But in all fairness, USC and their acceptance of playing Hawaii on National TV, is what has probably prepared Hawaii to take on this monumental challenge again this year against Alabama. So both programs was rewarded by their game with eachother.

This monumental victory, was huge because of the impact it will have on recruiting, funding, support, recognition, and respect that the Hawaii football program will be benefitting from. But, not only the football program will benefit from this. The whole state of Hawaii, will benefit also because of this win. This is why, some of the news programs started off their report on this Huge Win.

With these things being said, I know that other people both here and on the mainland, won't agree with me, or feel how important and big this win over Alabama was. But that is expected, and they cant be blamed for it, because they do not, will not, and cannot benefit from this victory, it is just the fans of Hawaii and the Warrior football program that can.

With that being said, I must also reflect again that the Byu game is not as big because it could not have impacted Hawaii the same as a defeat of the Crimson Tide could have and now will have. This victory is the most historical and hugest victory that the football program has ever had. And this victory, because of who we beat can strongly hold rank to the second most historical sports victory in the history of the State of Hawii. Because, I don't think that any victory could ever top that one achieved by our NAIA basketball team Chaminade over Ralph Samson and his #1 ranked Virgia Cavalier's.

So, for now this win is the largest on the books , until the football Warriors can possibly beat Michigan, ND, Oklahoma, Miami, or Florida St., if and when they come to town. I know that this is wishful thinking, but this win over this Legendary opponent, was also just a dream until this past Saturday. So, again anything is possible. Also, I hope that I didn't offend any supporters or programs by only listing the above schools. I just listed them as being the schools who have had the most dominance in college football from past to present. Still, if I did, then my bad.

Well, to end, I would like to again remind everyone that senior second team QB Jason Wieldon will be at the controls for this weeks Boise St. game. So far, I think Vegas has not reflected this as they may not be up to speed on it, or because QB Timmy Chang is still available to come in and play, cause they for one know that one bad game does not make or break a player. And also, they know that this time next year, he will be the new passing yardage leader in NCAA history. Hmmm, wishful thinking again on my part, hoping that they would forget these facts, but they are the ones with the bucks, so I guess I cant assume this. But hey, watch the line cause anything is still possible with all the other big games on the board. Later, I will be sharing another big tidbit of information that I sure those on the ball will already have. Still, this information and situation has not occurred in some time and could result in the same outcomes as in the past. Stay tuned for this. Aloha CC.

[This message was edited by Co-Captain on December 02, 2003 at 02:41 PM.]
 

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The line is dead-on. I am about 75% on games involving UH. I pegged this line at -10 before it came out and was disappointed to see it come out right on my line. Obviously, I do not see a good play on the side.

There is only one way to play this game, and this is the over. Don't be surprised to see it come out in the mid-70's. Still hit it.
 

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ppeter, because I rarely play any over/unders, there is in fact a good side play that I will have and one in which I feel many will agree with. Need to wait alittle first, but there is a good side to play. Stay tuned, Aloha CC.
 

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Ok gang, I wanted to mention also that eventhough QB Jason Wieldon starts the game, doesn't mean he is going to finish it. QB Timmy Chang is still Jones top man at QB. So dont expect not to see Chang in the game at some time. If QB Wieldon is doing good, expect Chang to still play. If Wieldon is doing bad, expect Chang to play. Bottom line is expect Chang to play period.

How do I know this? Lets just say I know. Also, Coach Jones knows what he is doing when it comes to the QB's , remember he was a college QB. Chang is his protege, Chang is the future of the Warriors. Wieldon is a Senior and will be gone. He deserved a chance to play before he left Hawaii, and thats why he was given a chance to play against Army. But Wieldon has always been ready and could step in at any time. Jones knows this, but he believes that Chang needed to be in their even when he was struggling , because Jones believes that he needs to work through it on the field and not by his side. So this is even more reason to believe that Chang will also be playing this game. Anyway, it is now a big secret that Hawaii had that is now out of the bag. But maybe it was one secret Jones should of let out much earlier.

So gang, this is just your update for the Hawaii game , will have more for you as I get them. Aloha CC.
 

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Nice call on Alabama last week Co-Captain. I think that Boise St will cover the spread this weekend. They will come in very focused this week trying to keep their undefeated record in the WAC for the last two years. They are definetly a stronger team than Alabama, and they play very well on the road. They have won and covered the past two games versus Hawaii and beat Hawaii at home in 2001.


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Gang, got more info. for ya. Hawaii will be playing Houston in the Bowl game here. They, like I am are probably disappointed in this selection. Not because it is Houston, but because they were hoping on playing someone more notable, like Louiville, TCU, SMiss, or maybe Memphis. I think Conf. USA sends their 3 place team here. Houston is 5th in the league with a 7-5 overall record and 4-4 conf. record. So I was thinking one of these four would be here. Well, I guess that shows how much I know about bowls and who goes where. All I know is that this years X-Mas Bowl game will suck, unless you like high scoring, as both teams avg over 30+ pts a game. Plus Def arent that strong, especialy for Houston having the 101 ranked overal Def. Shit, I was hoping for a matchup where Hawaii faced a team where you weren't really sure how it would turn out. That is what makes it interesting. Not a game, where its so obvious whats going to happen, to much Off, and not enough Def. The over/under is probably going to be 70+.

Anyways, this might not get them to motivated to play this one, or it might not matter. I will have to wait and really find out first hand when I speak to some of the guys. But, if I am correct, or at least my hunch is based on my personal disappointment in this selection for their bowl opponent. This might mean, that this nationally televised game against Boise St., may turn out to be a shocker to most or it may not. Stay tuned for more. Aloha CC.

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One thing About Boise St. is that they are on some winning streak both straight up and ATS when playing on ESPN. I am not sure how many years back does the streak go, but I do know that so far this year, they have won and covered every game on ESPN.


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One thing about Boise St. that is evident is that they have play a very weak schedule. The only team they faced worth noting is Oregon St. They have only faced three teams who have currently a winning record. Oregon St., Fresno St, and Tulsa. Everyone else they played is at the bottom or near the bottom of their conferences. I wouldn't be so quick to pick Boise St. because of all the points they scored , or the fact that they are undefeated on Espn, without looking at least to the opponents they were playing. I dont think that blowing out the bottom dwellers should get you into the top 20. But who knows, sometimes teams with good athletes will always be questioned because they played a weak schedule. I think we will see how good they are come Saturday. But backing them based on who they blew out on Espn or this year, is I think not a good way to determine a teams outcome in their next game. And, definately not for this next game.
 

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Aloha Capt.

I was waiting for this game to come out at Boise -7 and then I'd jump on Boise. Once I saw the -10, I sat on my hands.

Chang will defintely play, seems like Jones will work him in one way or another. He seems to think it's mental, but I think his mechanics are off, and won't be fixed anytime this year.

Right now, I'm laying off this one. Too tough to call, although if I stick to my guns, and take Hawaii at home (and against away), I'll probably wait for +10.5, I think lots of public money will build up on Boise over the next few days.

Hawaii got wiped at Boise last year, and both teams are VERY different teams away and at home. Like you said, Boise doesn't really have any quality wins and haven't faced anything on the road like Hawaii (although one must be impressed by their narrow loss at Ore St.)

Just gonna wait.....
 

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How ya doing, GoUH, hey I didn't even mention about how the weather change may affect this team. This will be another factor that I will be certainly looking into before game time. Need to see when they are scheduled to arrive here. But I diffinately see advantages building up on the Warriors side so far. We'll just have to wait like you said, gather it all in and then decide.
 

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Aloha Gang, got another update for ya on the Warriors. This could have a big impact on this games outcome, as the number 2 wide receiver in the nation and the Warriors number one go to guy WR Chad Owens may not be able to play on Saturday, due to reaggravating a turf toe injury in the Alabama game. He is now listed as day to day , literally. In his own words, "I could be back playing tomorrow or not, but hopefully for sure on Thursday".

This would definately be a big loss to the Off., if he cannot play on Saturday. One because of the threat and toughness, as well as his reliability he posseses. But also, because of his leadership and motivation he provides when on the field. We'll just have to wait and see.

As for the status on how QB Timmy Chang is taking this news of not starting in Saturdays game. He was said to be in very good spirits and also was encouraged and praised by backup QB Jason Wieldon, to the fact that he is still a great QB and that this he knows is only temporary. Everyone seems to be also rallying also around Timmy, eventhough one would not know, by looking at him, that he has been actually benched for at least the start of this game. As Timmy was being the true leader that he is, by not letting this situation stop him from encouraging, praising, and motivating his team, like he always has, during todays practice.

For now, thats the only big news concerning the Warriors at this time. I will update you definately on WR Owens game time status. And also on whatever comes up. Stay tuned, Aloha CC.
 

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If Boise St. played a weak schedule then Hawaii may have played an even weaker schedule. Hawaii has played only three teams with winning record also, USC, Tulsa, and Fresno St. Hawaii lost to Tulsa and beat Fresno St., whereas Boise St. beat both Tulsa and Fresno St. Hawaii was not in the game at all against USC, they were outscored 52-19 through three quarters and if I am not mistaken was down 52-6 before scoring in the third quarter. Boise St had a few bad calls by the officials which cost them their only loss on the season just like how Hawaii got help from them in their victory over San Jose St.


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I agree that how a team has played on ESPN is no indication of how they will play the next game. Boise St. does not get much national exposure, so when they do play on national TV, it means a lot to the program for both recruiting and exposure. Just as much how the victory over Alabama will help Hawaii. If Hawaii lost to Alabama this past week, I might question playing Boise St., but since Hawaii did win, I think that Boise St. is the right side. Hawaii victory over Alabama will give Boise St. extra motivation for the game. I also think that it is very difficult for team to be a focus and motivated for two consecutive weeks as Hawaii was last week.


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Ok WINNA, I got your play for Saturday, its on Boise St. You don't have to convince me anymore who your backing, as it is quite obvious. Nonetheless, I started this thread for the purpose of informing and updating others, who wanted to get information regarding the Hawaii Warriors, and not necessarily on Boise St., and especially not debating as to who did this or who did that, between the two teams.

Hey, I am not trying to shut you out of posting your opinions. But if your trying to convince me to take Boise St., because of your reasons, those won't do it. I am in the process of gathering and sharing information regarding the present and current situations of the Warriors, which hopefully will help with the decision making process. The info you are talking about is primarily based on the past. And although it is still important, it is information that anyone can access. If you have present info, try posting them, as this is what I see as more of value and what most people will benefit mostly from, as they may not have access to it early.

So relax already with the Boise St. sell. As I mentioned, your opinion, like all, is welcomed, however, this is not the place that I intended to start a debate between me and you as to why I think Hawaii will win vs. why you think Boise St. will win. Hell, I haven't even completed or gathered all the info,updates, etc. which I normally use in determining a selection for a game. Thus currently, I do not have any selection on this game yet. So again, no need to convince me of your choice in this game, as I am still watching and evaluating the current situations involving the Warriors at this time. Thx, CC.

[This message was edited by Co-Captain on December 03, 2003 at 04:29 AM.]
 

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