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Drugs don't kill people, Illegal Drugs kill People

B15988 / Sun, 11 Jun 2006 14:22:02 / War on Drugs
Stolen from the June 10th The Charleston Gazette: Prohibition
THIS week’s mass murder in a drug-infested St. Albans suburb raises a troubling thought: Much of America’s criminality and gun violence among addicts and illegal drug dealers apparently is spawned by the nation’s harsh prohibition of narcotics.
Almost a century ago, the United States plunged into Prohibition, the criminalization of alcohol. Immediately, illicit dealers began supplying bootleg booze in the shadows. Gun battles erupted between rival rum-runners. Prisons were crammed with alcohol offenders. Police and judges were bribed to overlook “speakeasy” bars. Street gangs and the Mafia grew in that grotesque time.
After Prohibition was repealed, alcohol became legal under state regulation – and the wave of alcohol crimes faded.
Today history is repeating itself, via criminalization of disapproved drugs. Illicit dealers supply banned substances in the shadows. Gun battles erupt between rival operators. Prisons are crammed with narcotics offenders. Police and judges sometimes are bribed to look the other way. Street gangs and the Mafia profit from the lucrative trade. So do Muslim terrorists who control Afghanistan’s opium poppies, and Latin American cartels in control of cocaine production. Local American peddlers carry guns, so they won’t be robbed of their cash or stash. They sell to children or anyone able to buy. Addicts commit robberies to get money for daily fixes. Impure mixes by amateur suppliers cause overdose deaths.
U.S. taxpayers spend $69 billion a year on the “war on drugs” – including the gigantic cost of arresting, trying or imprisoning 1.6 million Americans annually – but the war is being lost, because narcotics abuse remains as extensive as ever. The situation is bizarre.
A national organization of current and former police officers, Law Enforcement Against Prohibition, calls for legalization of all drugs and control of them through public health agencies. LEAP would license legitimate suppliers of purified substances – and yank their licenses if they sold to children. LEAP speaker Dean Becker says:
“The day we regulate drugs to adults, we eliminate easy access for our children, we evaporate the worth of Osama’s heroin stash, we negate the Colombian drug cartels, we basically eliminate overdose deaths, and we begin to restore respect for the U.S. system of justice now tainted by black market billions.”
LEAP official Mike Smithson says America’s prohibition of narcotics puts the drug business into the hands of armed criminals, producing “a St. Valentine’s Day massacre every week.” He referred to the famous 1929 event in Chicago, when seven rum-runners of the Bugs Moran gang were mowed down in an illegal liquor warehouse by the rival Al Capone gang.
Legalizing alcohol again in 1933 gradually took gunfire out of the booze business. If America likewise legalized narcotics and regulated them through health agencies, would today’s drug murders, police cost and prison expense similarly be eliminated? This newspaper long has called for legalization of marijuana, which is no more harmful than beer. LEAP advocates that step for all narcotics.
Congress and West Virginia’s Legislature should study this question – but don’t hold your breath while you wait for change, because nearly all politicians brag about being “tough on drugs.” Thus they guarantee that the narcotics trade will remain in the hands of criminals.
 

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Prohibition didn't work with alcohol and it won't work with drugs, prostitution or gambling.....

The MONEY drives the whole industry, and the crime, fills the prisons.....the farmers wouldn't want to mess with it if it was legal and worth $2.00 a bushel.

Won't find a gangbanger selling liquor on the streetcorner making 2K a day.
 

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Nothing really tough to think about:

JUST TAKE THE MONEY OUT OF IT.
 

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Pot - Yes it's a damn plant more natural than cigs.
Herion, coke, meth, ice no that shit is to deadly to legalize.
Tax the shit out of it. LOL wow a rightie for more tax go figure.
 

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I gaurantee less people would die of overdoses of herion, meth, coke, whatever if it they were regulated. Not to mention less corruption and less crime as well as money saved.

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Pot - Yes it's a damn plant more natural than cigs.
Herion, coke, meth, ice no that shit is to deadly to legalize.
Tax the shit out of it. LOL wow a rightie for more tax go figure.
 

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Don't forget how overhyped the drug problem is anyway. The media has conveniently forgotten its insane distortions about the crack "epidemic" and are doing the same thing now with meth, despite the fact that studies contradict much of the hype about meth use and addiction.

That is not to say "drugs are safe" of course, but when a given drug is demonised to the point of absurdity -- basically, when it hits After School Special/T.V. movie status -- that it's a soft sell for the state to continuously expand its power on the premise of "fighting a war on drugs," despite more than thirty years of disastrous results since Nixon first coined the term.


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Prohibition was different, because we made something Illegal that had always been Legal.

Drug laws have existed long enough, that if we did make them Legal we would never again be able to put the Genie back in the bottle.

Not a simple one. I must admit the Libertarian platform of legalizing drugs makes some good points, but I don't know if the outcome they claim would be reached of less drug abuse would be the reality.
 

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When Opium was legalised in China it was a disaster for the population.
 

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A huge section of the population wound up as addicts, it was in the 1850-1900 period. Goggle will have the details.

They had to make it illegal again in the early 20th century.

The best policy nowadays is to let someone else legalise that chit, and see if it works out or not before you let your own hard drugs genie out of his bottle.
 

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Legalizing hardcore drugs would be insane.

I'm curious, would libertarians drop this issue once and for all if marijuana were made legal? It seems every rational argument put forth for "legalizing drugs" centers around marijuana. They very rarely press their case delving into the facts and statistics where other drugs are concerned. Now I'm not one for tying up precious resources going after non-violent drug users who need their harmless daily fix, or target those who wish to fool themselves using marijuana for medicinal purposes, but as far as the legalization of highly addictive substances such as cocaine, meth, crack, heroine etc. well…I'd like to see anyone make a strong case winning public sympathy without smudging the facts. Not gonna happen.
 

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I read a book a few years ago by a Libertarian "Ten Things You can't say In America" by Larry Elder.

Some things are probably dated now, but it was pretty interesting. He had a chapter on the drugs and he said Legalize it all.

Again, it kinda made sense and he knew his shit...but I do not buy his conclusions.

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Don't legalize Pot, too many of my friends would be out of a job. Lots of money to be made in BC's underground Industry. I guess on this Issue I am a capitalist.
 

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kingbill said:
Don't legalize Pot, too many of my friends would be out of a job. Lots of money to be made in BC's underground Industry. I guess on this Issue I am a capitalist.
Using EEK's definition of capitalism, not the real one.
 

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levistep said:
Using EEK's definition of capitalism, not the real one.

Either way...keep it illegal and don't let the Corporations F*&K it up.
 

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Joe Contrarian said:
Legalizing hardcore drugs would be insane.

I'm curious, would libertarians drop this issue once and for all if marijuana were made legal? It seems every rational argument put forth for "legalizing drugs" centers around marijuana.

Most libertarian views on the subject centre around full legalisation of all drugs. The logic is simple: the drug war causes far more crime than it solves, and, simply put, abusing one's body should be an individual choice, regardless of outcome.

So legalising marijuana, while a good first step, wouldn't end the libertarian push to end the "war on drugs".
 

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This op-ed is themed around no-knock searches and police 'exuberance', but the first half relates nicely to this thread:



Buffalo's Stampede Against Privacy
City of Light's finest bomb houses, arrest scores, kill dogs, and achieve nothing
Radley Balko

"We're going to have to be mobile, agile and slightly hostile in trying to get the job of policing done in the City of Buffalo," Buffalo Police Chief H. McCarthy Gipson announced when he was appointed to his position in February 2006.

In April, Buffalo police made good on the boss's promise. The city conducted a massive anti-drug sweep from April 18 to April 20, dubbed "Operation Shock and Awe." Scores of police officers dressed in battle gear conducted 38 no-knock SWAT raids over the course of three days. They deployed diversionary grenades, broke down doors with battering rams, stormed residences with guns ablaze, and arrested 78 people.

"We are declaring war on street-level drug dealing," Gipson told two reporters from the Buffalo News, whom he invited along for one of the raids. The reporters described the scene:

A loud "flash bang" concussion device detonated inside a Kensington Avenue house as Buffalo police SWAT officers, clad in black armor and brandishing automatic assault rifles, stormed a lower apartment.
"Buffalo police. Search warrant. Buffalo police," the officers yelled to the stunned occupants inside.

Within seconds, several shotgun blasts were fired. At the same instant, another officer cradled a 1-year-old boy out the front door and down a flight of steps to safety.

When the smoke cleared, three large pit bull terriers lay dead, in pools of their own blood. And five people were in handcuffs.

By April 21, police were boasting of their take: six pounds of marijuana, seven ounces of crack cocaine, and five guns. Given the size of and scope of the operation, however, the bounty was rather spare. Six pounds of marijuana and seven ounces of crack from nearly forty residences, all of which housed suspected drug dealers? A massive, armored force of SWAT teams in battle garb, storming "all corners of the city," was necessary to seize just five guns?

Nevertheless, shortly after the raids, Chief Gipson declared victory. "This has put a dent in the drug trade, put some operations out of business and addressed the fears of some of the residents," he said.

Or not. A month later, the Buffalo News ran a follow-up piece under the headline "How effective is drug war?; After flurry of arrests, many cases dismissed or suspects released." Turns out, Gipson's "dent" was barely a nick. The six pounds of marijuana police claimed to have seized was actually 4 pounds, 13 ounces. Three-and-a-half pounds of that came by way of an unrelated traffic stop that had nothing to do with the raids.

Not surprisingly, twenty-one ounces of marijuana and seven ounces of crack wasn't enough contraband to keep the 78 people rounded up from the raids in jail. Sixteen were immediately released with no criminal charges. Another 32 were out of jail within 24 hours, due to insufficient evidence. Just 20 face felony charges, though it's unclear how many of those will actually stick.

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Full article: http://www.reason.com/hod/rb062106.shtml
 

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It's so obvious that weed should be legalized. I think it's actually one of the few issues on which this forum has a reasonable consensus. I am also for the legalization of other drugs, because those are the ones that cause drug dealing operations to become like small private armies. You don't see a lot of weed dealers rolling around in Escalades full of automatic weapons.
 

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