Since Trump and I are close in age I was wondering if he served in the military during the Vietnam war. Other than student deferments there were not many ways to get out of serving especially at that time if you dropped out of school etc. I volunteered for the draft and the lottery did not come about until I was already discharged and came back to finish my degree. Here is what I have found on Trump and his deferments etc. You be the judge.
[h=1]Donald Trump's Own Secret: Vietnam Draft Records[/h]April 29, 2011
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Newly released documents suggest that a young Donald Trump received several deferments that could have allowed him to avoid service in Vietnam, contrasting claims he made this week that he missed the draft solely because he had a high lottery number.
Trump, who has hinted in recent weeks at a possible run for the White House, told WNYW, the New York Fox affiliate, that he was "lucky" to avoid the draft and remembered the lottery taking place while he was a student at the University of Pennsylvania's Wharton School.
"I was going to the Wharton School of Finance, and I was watching as they did the draft numbers and I got a very, very high number and those numbers never got up to," Trump said.
In that conversation Trump did not mention he also received several deferments.According to his Selective Service records, first obtained by the website The Smoking Gun through a Freedom of Information Act request, Trump received four student deferments between 1964 and 1968 while in college and an additional medical deferment after graduating.
Trump graduated from the University of Pennsylvania's Wharton School in 1968. The lottery occurred in December 1969, conflicting with Trump's recollection of the event.
Lottery numbers ranged from 1 to 365 and were allotted according to birthdates. Trump's number was a very high, 356.
Trump received his first two student deferments while enrolled at Fordham University in New York City in June 1964 and December 1965. He transferred to Wharton as a sophomore that year and received another two 2-S deferments in December 1966 and January 1968 during his last year of college.
He was classified "available for service" (class 1-A) in November 1966, but just three weeks later in December 1966 he was given a new student deferment.
Upon graduation Trump, the son of a wealthy New York City real estate developer, was no longer eligible for student deferments.
In October 1968, he was declared medically unfit to serve except "in time of national emergency," even though he had been declared fit to serve in 1966.
In 1972, Trump was ultimately declared ineligible for service and given a final 4-F deferment.
The documents do not specify the reasons Trump was given a medical deferment. Nor do the documents categorically suggest it was deferments and not a high draft number that ultimately allowed him to avoid the draft.
The discovery of the records come in the same week President Obama released his long form birth certificate proving that he was born in Hawaii in 1964. Trump, 64, a billionaire businessman turned reality star, has tested the waters for a possible presidential run in recent weeks, demanding that Obama release his own records.
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Newly released documents suggest that a young Donald Trump received several deferments that could have allowed him to avoid service in Vietnam, contrasting claims he made this week that he missed the draft solely because he had a high lottery number.
Trump, who has hinted in recent weeks at a possible run for the White House, told WNYW, the New York Fox affiliate, that he was "lucky" to avoid the draft and remembered the lottery taking place while he was a student at the University of Pennsylvania's Wharton School.
"I was going to the Wharton School of Finance, and I was watching as they did the draft numbers and I got a very, very high number and those numbers never got up to," Trump said.
In that conversation Trump did not mention he also received several deferments.According to his Selective Service records, first obtained by the website The Smoking Gun through a Freedom of Information Act request, Trump received four student deferments between 1964 and 1968 while in college and an additional medical deferment after graduating.
Trump graduated from the University of Pennsylvania's Wharton School in 1968. The lottery occurred in December 1969, conflicting with Trump's recollection of the event.
Lottery numbers ranged from 1 to 365 and were allotted according to birthdates. Trump's number was a very high, 356.
Trump received his first two student deferments while enrolled at Fordham University in New York City in June 1964 and December 1965. He transferred to Wharton as a sophomore that year and received another two 2-S deferments in December 1966 and January 1968 during his last year of college.
He was classified "available for service" (class 1-A) in November 1966, but just three weeks later in December 1966 he was given a new student deferment.
Upon graduation Trump, the son of a wealthy New York City real estate developer, was no longer eligible for student deferments.
In October 1968, he was declared medically unfit to serve except "in time of national emergency," even though he had been declared fit to serve in 1966.
In 1972, Trump was ultimately declared ineligible for service and given a final 4-F deferment.
The documents do not specify the reasons Trump was given a medical deferment. Nor do the documents categorically suggest it was deferments and not a high draft number that ultimately allowed him to avoid the draft.
The discovery of the records come in the same week President Obama released his long form birth certificate proving that he was born in Hawaii in 1964. Trump, 64, a billionaire businessman turned reality star, has tested the waters for a possible presidential run in recent weeks, demanding that Obama release his own records.
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APRIL 28--Despite Donald Trump’s claim this week that he avoided serving in the Vietnam War solely due to a high draft number, Selective Service records show that the purported presidential aspirant actually received a series of student deferments while in college and then topped those off with a medical deferment after graduation that helped spare him from fighting for his country, The Smoking Gun has learned.
He went on to recall, “I was going to the Wharton School of Finance, and I was watching as they did the draft numbers and I got a very, very high number and those numbers never got up to.” The word “deferment” was not mentioned by Trump during his chat with the morning show hosts on WNYW, the Fox affiliate in New York City.
However, Selective Service records reveal that Trump, the fortunate son of a multimillionaire real estate baron, took repeated steps to avoid serving in Vietnam.
By the time his number (356) was drawn during the December 1, 1969 draft lottery, Trump had already received four student deferments and a medical deferment, according to military records on file with the National Archives and Records Administration. An extract of Trump’s Selective Classification record, seen here, was provided in response to a TSG records request.
In fact, the December 1969 draft lottery occurred about 18 months after Trump graduated from the University of Pennsylvania, where he studied business at the Wharton School. So, while claiming that he would “never forget” being at Wharton watching the draft numbers being drawn, the 64-year-old Trump seems to have misremembered, as candidates are fond of saying.
Trump obtained his first two Class 2-S student deferments in June 1964 and December 1965, when he was student at Fordham University in the Bronx. He was briefly reclassified as 1-A--or "available for military service"--in late-November 1966, but that classification was switched back to 2-S three weeks later.
Another 2-S deferment is dated January 16, 1968, just months before his graduation from UPenn (to which he transferred following his sophomore year at Fordham).
Following his UPenn graduation, Trump--no longer qualified for a 2-S deferment--was again briefly classified as available for service on July 9. However, three months later, on October 15, his classification was switched to 1-Y, which was given to men deemed qualified for military service “only in time of national emergency.”
The 1-Y classification came a month after Trump underwent an “Armed Forces Physical Examination,” according to Selective Service records, which note the results of the exam as “DISQ.” While the military records do not further detail why Trump was granted the 1-Y deferment, a 1992 biography of the businessman by journalist Wayne Barrett reported that Trump received a medical deferment following the September 17, 1968 exam.
Trump’s 1-Y classification stayed in effect until February 1, 1972 when it was changed to a 4-F classification (which covered registrants not qualified for military service). The change in classification was likely prompted by the military’s December 1971 decision to abolish the 1-Y classification.
The Selective Service records also include a copy of the registration card signed by Trump in June 1964, 10 days after he turned 18. The possible future Commander-in-Chief, it turns out, has birthmarks on both his heels.
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[h=1]Donald Trump dodged Vietnam War through medical deferment, not high draft number as he claimed[/h]BY BILL HUTCHINSON
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Friday, April 29, 2011, 4:00 AM
Selective service records Donald Trump didn't want anyone to see show he dodged the Vietnam War due to a medical deferment, not a high draft number as he has claimed.
The records indicate Trump was granted a series of student deferments before graduating from college, and then was deemed physically unacceptable for military service after he graduated.
The paperwork, obtained from the National Archives and Records Administration by thesmokinggun.com website, contradict what Trump has publicly said in recent days.
"I actually got lucky because I had a very high draft number. I'll never forget, that was an amazing period of time in my life," the reality TV star and billionaire real estate developer said in a TV interview on Tuesday.
"I was going to the Wharton School of Finance, and I was watching as they did the draft numbers and I got a very, very high number and those numbers never got up to," said The Donald, neglecting to utter the word "deferment."
Trump, who is flirting with a run for the Republican nomination for President, was traveling Thursday night and could not immediately be reach for comment.
The bombshell document was released a day after President Obamaaccommodated demands from Trump and Tea Party officials for him to release his long-form birth certificate proving he was born in the United States.
Trump, who attended high school at the New York Military Academy inCornwall-on-Hudson, took credit for forcing Obama to release his full birth certificate showing he was born in Hawaii.
He continues to demand Obama release his academic records, suggesting the President didn't have the smarts to get into Columbia and Harvard.
The Selective Service records were released with a copy of the registration card Trump signed in June 1964, revealing that in addition to weird hair, he has birthmarks on both his heels.
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[h=2]Records indicate Donald Trump missed the Vietnam War due to a medical deferment.[/h]Selective service records Donald Trump didn't want anyone to see show he dodged the Vietnam War due to a medical deferment, not a high draft number as he has claimed.
The records indicate Trump was granted a series of student deferments before graduating from college, and then was deemed physically unacceptable for military service after he graduated.
The paperwork, obtained from the National Archives and Records Administration by thesmokinggun.com website, contradict what Trump has publicly said in recent days.
"I actually got lucky because I had a very high draft number. I'll never forget, that was an amazing period of time in my life," the reality TV star and billionaire real estate developer said in a TV interview on Tuesday.
"I was going to the Wharton School of Finance, and I was watching as they did the draft numbers and I got a very, very high number and those numbers never got up to," said The Donald, neglecting to utter the word "deferment."
Trump, who is flirting with a run for the Republican nomination for President, was traveling Thursday night and could not immediately be reach for comment.
The bombshell document was released a day after President Obamaaccommodated demands from Trump and Tea Party officials for him to release his long-form birth certificate proving he was born in the United States.
Trump, who attended high school at the New York Military Academy inCornwall-on-Hudson, took credit for forcing Obama to release his full birth certificate showing he was born in Hawaii.
He continues to demand Obama release his academic records, suggesting the President didn't have the smarts to get into Columbia and Harvard.
The Selective Service records were released with a copy of the registration card Trump signed in June 1964, revealing that in addition to weird hair, he has birthmarks on both his heels.
There are probably numerous articles dealing with this topic which I have not heard anyone bring this up lately. I think Trump did a good thing challenging our lack of an effective immigration policy and need for better border patrol but.........if all this about him and the draft are true I think that reveals the real Donald Trump. Anyone who lived thru that Vietnam era including guys like him and me had a huge obstacle in their way. Looking back at it I came out of it all with a deeper respect for my country and a sense of fulfillment that I had served my country in a time of need. Many disagreed with our involvement in Vietnam and draft dodgers were every where but in the end patriotism exceeds politics and you gotta do what you gotta do.
I would like some feed back from members of both parties concerning this topic. Trump has led a privileged life and is not shy about revealing his net worth. I am more interested in knowing about his true patriotism. If he dodged the draft he loses much credibility in my book. If he indeed lied about his military deferments etc than his transparency can be called into question. I like the fact that he has reawakened many to our immigration problems but that would never erase what he might have done in his younger days. Makes me wonder.
I would like some feed back from members of both parties concerning this topic. Trump has led a privileged life and is not shy about revealing his net worth. I am more interested in knowing about his true patriotism. If he dodged the draft he loses much credibility in my book. If he indeed lied about his military deferments etc than his transparency can be called into question. I like the fact that he has reawakened many to our immigration problems but that would never erase what he might have done in his younger days. Makes me wonder.
I would say that it is an issue and you sound like you might have run to Canada. Things like this define character. If something like this is irrelevant than what is relevant. You might as well give Hillary a pass also. Maybe you had to be there at the time. If the draft was redone the way it was in the 60's right now I am sure many would leave the country etc. As I said, politics should never exceed patriotism.
russ, you served in Vietnam and I totally admire your bravery and respect you for making that decision. You considered that patriotism and I will never ever question that. Being from Canada and being just a baby at the time, many Canadians had a different perspective about wars the US decided to get into halfway across the world. I still feel the same today re Iraq and Afghanistan.
Having said that, I think the US military should be the strongest in the world. To be a deterrent more than anything. The world is a better place with a strong America.
I agree. I really started this thread because what I came across made me reconsider Trump at a time where he was beginning to get my attention in a more positive way. If someone can disprove these allegations etc power to them. I would put Trump's ego level right there with Obama's. But as opposed to Obama he has a personality that would let foreign entities know that he means business. I think we need someone like that at this time.
Again I do not think that politics should exceed patriotism. As far as Trump goes if that stuff is true and he did lie it changes my perspective on him if nothing else. And by the way I was not sent to Vietnam but you have no control over that kind of stuff. As you went through training at that time you were constantly preparing yourself mentally for actually going. I got order to go to Germany of all places. I felt guilty the whole time I was there in one since and very thankful in another. That is when I first learn that you cannot control Fate.
Draft dodger Donald #Trump seeks job of U.S. military ...
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A total of 1,857,304 men were drafted between August 1964 and February 1973. Donald Trump was not one of them, but he won’t say why.
During all three years of the draft lottery, Trump held a 1-Y classification based on him being medically ineligible to serve in the military during the height of the Vietnam War–a war he is on the record of supporting. He obtained his medical deferment immediately after having been designated medically fit for military service and immediately after he became no longer eligible for a student deferment after graduating college. The same colleges where he says, and others confirm, he was sufficiently fit to be an active sportsman.
In 1972, Trump turned 26 and was given a 4-F classification–medically unfit for military service. His lottery number for 1972 was 95 – a number that put him in the top 25% of men who were to be drafted. Had he not been 4-F, he would have most likely would have been called to serve his country.
And Donald Trump refuses to release his own medical records during his college years, which considerable evidence suggest may not have legitimately resulted in him being exempt for medical reasons from serving his country in the U.S. military.
Now that he is asking the American people to support him to be commander-in-chief of the entire U.S. military, it seems reasonable that the American people should be privy to what exactly his medical conditions that were serious enough to disqualify him for serving his country in the U.S. military, exactly were. And whether they might also affect his ability to perform his duties as President of the United States.
from the above:
A total of 1,857,304 men were drafted between August 1964 and February 1973. Donald Trump was not one of them, but he won’t say why.
During all three years of the draft lottery, Trump held a 1-Y classification based on him being medically ineligible to serve in the military during the height of the Vietnam War–a war he is on the record of supporting. He obtained his medical deferment immediately after having been designated medically fit for military service and immediately after he became no longer eligible for a student deferment after graduating college. The same colleges where he says, and others confirm, he was sufficiently fit to be an active sportsman.
In 1972, Trump turned 26 and was given a 4-F classification–medically unfit for military service. His lottery number for 1972 was 95 – a number that put him in the top 25% of men who were to be drafted. Had he not been 4-F, he would have most likely would have been called to serve his country.
And Donald Trump refuses to release his own medical records during his college years, which considerable evidence suggest may not have legitimately resulted in him being exempt for medical reasons from serving his country in the U.S. military.
Now that he is asking the American people to support him to be commander-in-chief of the entire U.S. military, it seems reasonable that the American people should be privy to what exactly his medical conditions that were serious enough to disqualify him for serving his country in the U.S. military, exactly were. And whether they might also affect his ability to perform his duties as President of the United States.
This thread is really just like my one on Hillary. I am saying that although Trump is a Republican he needs dots connected on him also. Connecting dots is not about partisan politics and this thread proves it. I am an Independent but the truth needs to be outed. Trump has other things in his past that haunt him just like Hillary. Things like bankruptcies and remarks he has made along political lines. In the end who knows maybe it will be Trump vs Hillary and the votes will be about the lesser of two evils. I sure hope not in both cases. Why are Dem's so reluctant in pursuing the dots connecting Hillary to so many adverse things (emails, server, the Foundation/speaking fees, Benghazi, on and on.) Character should be held more accountable and actions speak louder than words.
I found your investigation of interest I knew Don Trump from 1969 to maybe the middle of 1971,
when we weren't at Maxwell Plum's on friday nights some there suggested they sent out 'missing
persons' alarms. He never drank or smoked setting him apart from all the
others I recalll during probably the heydey of NY eastside singles bar era. He & I were
in the minority at the time as both supported the efforts in Viet Nam. I graduated from college
in 1966 so I was a few years older than Trump we had some fun times together.
After college I joined the New Jersey National Guard in 1966 & participated in quelling the Newark
riots of 1967, we were never called to Viet Nam which I was glad about. The only thing
about your investigation my memory disputes is that I recall him saying that before
college he went to Valley Forge Military Academy & played 1st base there. Not the
military school mentioned in your post.
when we weren't at Maxwell Plum's on friday nights some there suggested they sent out 'missing
persons' alarms. He never drank or smoked setting him apart from all the
others I recalll during probably the heydey of NY eastside singles bar era. He & I were
in the minority at the time as both supported the efforts in Viet Nam. I graduated from college
in 1966 so I was a few years older than Trump we had some fun times together.
After college I joined the New Jersey National Guard in 1966 & participated in quelling the Newark
riots of 1967, we were never called to Viet Nam which I was glad about. The only thing
about your investigation my memory disputes is that I recall him saying that before
college he went to Valley Forge Military Academy & played 1st base there. Not the
military school mentioned in your post.
neverbend: Going to a military academy back in the day was sometimes an attempt to instilll some discipline in kids that needed just that. It was seldom voluntary although it could have been especially if you came from a military family. Most of what these articles cover the period prior to 1969 when you knew him. The 4F deferment came in 1972 just after you lost contact with him. Not knocking your comments at all mind you but I would ask you if you were aware of anything medical that would have qualified him to be classified as 4F. Just wondering. By the way speaking of riots I went to basic training in 1966 with 10 trainees from LA who were involved in the LA riots back then. They were given the choice of going to jail or going into the Army. I doubt they would do that now days.
His bankruptcies were mostly debt restructuring involving his AC stuff, not personal. Only time he ever had $ problems was when NY real estate was struggling in the early 90s and he was upside down.
He actually did play a pretty big role in the USFL going under but I don't think Jeb is gonna bring that up during a debate. Trump would likely tell him Jim Kelly is a great friend of his and he just talked to him, he said Jeb's a disaster in Florida and the Bills always used to crush the Dolphins.
As far as the military stuff, I think most people assume someone like that is going to lead a privileged life and play by a different set of rules. It isn't right but it was 50 years ago and most are numb to that type of elite privilege. Tough to say how much it would hurt him. His rhetoric involving intervention is aggressive so people may label him a chickenhawk but that is down the line.
He actually did play a pretty big role in the USFL going under but I don't think Jeb is gonna bring that up during a debate. Trump would likely tell him Jim Kelly is a great friend of his and he just talked to him, he said Jeb's a disaster in Florida and the Bills always used to crush the Dolphins.
As far as the military stuff, I think most people assume someone like that is going to lead a privileged life and play by a different set of rules. It isn't right but it was 50 years ago and most are numb to that type of elite privilege. Tough to say how much it would hurt him. His rhetoric involving intervention is aggressive so people may label him a chickenhawk but that is down the line.
Well in my opinion Trump is now waving the biggest flag and his premise is tied to patriotism. I know Trump has good points and he has raised the action on the Republican side of the table but he needs to have more dots connected just like Hillary. This draft thing bothers me especially if he lied about it mainly because of the way he kept demanding to see Obama's birth certificate. Not defending Obama by any means but looks like Trump has some gray areas also.
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Billionaire and host of The Apprentice Donald Trump officially announced that he’s running for president. And considering his strong showing in the polls, doing better than some established politicians, you can’t simply dismiss him as a candidate who’s in it for the vanity.
Before you cast your vote, it helps to know exactly what The Donald was up to before he decided to throw his hat into the ring. Donald Trump’s real online background check report is different than this report. But we thought it would be fun to create a new report from scratch, using all the information we could get our hands on, including data relating to his many corporations and business entities that wouldn’t appear in his personal background report. We found billions in real estate holdings, two divorces, and a slew of recent lawsuits. Check out the report to get a glimpse of the background of the Republican candidate.
[h=2]Donald Trump's background[/h] Donald Trump was born into a wealthy family in the 1940s. He was the 4th child of 5 kids parents Fred and Mary had. His father always wanted to have a son that would join the business with him, but Donald's older brother wasn't very interested and wasn't very focused on what he wanted in life. So after military school, Donald joined his father's business. ( pg.3 book Donald Trump)
In Donald's childhood, he helped his father with checking up on his business. he was very competitive in school and usually made good grades and was very good in sports and had lots of friends. He had very bad behavioral issues though, and his father sent him to a military school until he graduated high school. (pg.5 book Donald Trump)
Donald had behavioral issues in elementary school. His father sent him to a military school because he wanted to make his son very strong and respectful. Donald became one of the best military school cadets. He played lots of sports and was very good all of them. He was best at baseball and almost tried to go pro in baseball. He went two years at Fordham University and was one of the top baseball players there. ( pg.6-7 book Donald Trump)
In Donald's childhood, he helped his father with checking up on his business. he was very competitive in school and usually made good grades and was very good in sports and had lots of friends. He had very bad behavioral issues though, and his father sent him to a military school until he graduated high school. (pg.5 book Donald Trump)
Donald had behavioral issues in elementary school. His father sent him to a military school because he wanted to make his son very strong and respectful. Donald became one of the best military school cadets. He played lots of sports and was very good all of them. He was best at baseball and almost tried to go pro in baseball. He went two years at Fordham University and was one of the top baseball players there. ( pg.6-7 book Donald Trump)
