Does Anyone Have An Answer?

[CAPNCRUNCH]

Now that Saddam and his kids are gone and all WMDs are checked out to be gone, is there any reason to stay in Iraq that would justify one more kid dying??????????????

 

[Coldweather]

No. Take his stuff and get the hell out.

 

[CAPNCRUNCH]

Now that Saddam and his kids are gone and all WMDs are checked out to be gone, is there any reason to stay in Iraq that would justify one more kid dying??????????????

I guess everybody agrees we should get the hell out of Iraq NOW! It's a no-brainer.:toast:

 

[TheRightWing]

No if we leave now there will be a civil war and we aren't done stopping what small insurgants are still planting bombs etc. You start a job and leave when ready and all is complete. CC do you know we still have tons of military in Kosovo,Bosnia,Germany,etc?

 

[eek.]

Reasons for staying, and why you ARE staying for a long time.

-second biggest oil reserves in world

-a handy military base, slap bang in the centre of the middle east, and surrounded by countries floating on loads of oil

-stabilisation of oil prices (even if they are rising)

-a buffer between Israel and Iran once Iran gets nukes


Europe takes over all military stuff in Afghanistan in 2006.
Yup. All of it.
Why? eek asks himself.
WTF are us Euro lefty communist cheese eating surrender monkeys doing that for?

'cos in exchange, our wonderful American allies are getting that delicious poop sandwich called Iraq all to themselves, and for goodness knows how long too.

...long enuf to convince those eurodudes to take full responsibility for Afghanistan, that much we do know.

 

[Marco]

"No if we leave now there will be a civil war and we aren't done stopping what small insurgants are planting bombs etc."

I think civil war is a given, only a matter of when we pull out as to when it starts....best case scenario is all these groups over there split up and form thier own territories....

When you say "small insurgants"......do you mean they are like under 5 feet tall, or are you eluding to the delusion that there are only a few left? We've been over there for two years and they just drove a suicide bomber into the morning roll call for the policemen, killed a whole bunch of them......who woulda thought?

You think he might be the last one? (please sober up before answering.)

Could there be another "mission accomplished" on the horizon?

"You start a job and leave when ready and all is complete."

Kinda like Vietnam when the homies were pounding at the gate and dudes were hanging from the skid of the helicopter on the roof, and they were pushing choppers off the deck into the ocean to make room for people.....what was all the rush back then? You only blew ten years over there.....would another day hurt?

eek makes a whole lot more sense because he's following the money.

 

[CAPNCRUNCH]

No if we leave now there will be a civil war and we aren't done stopping what small insurgants are still planting bombs etc. You start a job and leave when ready and all is complete. CC do you know we still have tons of military in Kosovo,Bosnia,Germany,etc?

There is already civil war in Iraq! Do we really care ? And Kosovo, Bosnia, Germany? When was the last time you heard of our soldiers dying over there? Very few and far between killings. RW, you know the only thing Dubya is worried about is saving face and I think you know this as well.:toast:

 

[Redneckman]

Look at the big picture. Lebanon just had pro democracy elections, the Saudis are slowly moving our way with civil liberties, Condi placed pressure on Egypt with her speech yesterday, democracy is starting to spread throughout the Middle East. We can't and shouldn't pull out of Iraq now. Democracy takes a little time. Unless of course, you liberals aren't for democracy spreading throughout the Middle East. Based on some of your posts, I'm starting to believe that to be the case.

 

[CAPNCRUNCH]

Look at the big picture. Lebanon just had pro democracy elections, the Saudis are slowly moving our way with civil liberties, Condi placed pressure on Egypt with her speech yesterday, democracy is starting to spread throughout the Middle East. We can't and shouldn't pull out of Iraq now. Democracy takes a little time. Unless of course, you liberals aren't for democracy spreading throughout the Middle East. Based on some of your posts, I'm starting to believe that to be the case.

Democracy is great, I just dont see why our kids have to die for a fruitless cause in the middle of a civil war in Iraq! I dont see a problem sending a few thousand troops anywhere to help democracy in its infant stages if we are there to help. But if we're the ones that have to do the dying to 'kickstart' these projects, count me out! So I guess the bottom line is I dont think we should be invading countries to show them the wisdom of our way of life.:toast:

 

[Redneckman]

That wasn't the reason we went to war with Iraq. But it's a by product of our action. We were mislead by various intelligence agencies, not just our own, on the weapons of mass destruction. But now that we're there, we can turn this into a huge positive. Democracy in the Middle East has come farther in the last 3 years than it had in the 1000's of years before. Hopefully you can see that we have made progress. The end goal needs to be to establish democracies over there, so in the long run they will choke terrorists on their own, so we don't have to do it. Democracies don't breed terrorists, they eliminate them. It's a noble cause, just try to look at the big picture. Captain, I like you. With you, I can have civil discourse. Pretty tough with Doc and Ricky, I must admit, when every other phrase out of their keyboard is Bush is a Nazi, their administration is full of homosexuals, Bush staged 9/11, etc. etc. etc.

 

[CAPNCRUNCH]

That wasn't the reason we went to war with Iraq. But it's a by product of our action. We were mislead by various intelligence agencies, not just our own, on the weapons of mass destruction. But now that we're there, we can turn this into a huge positive. Democracy in the Middle East has come farther in the last 3 years than it had in the 1000's of years before. Hopefully you can see that we have made progress. The end goal needs to be to establish democracies over there, so in the long run they will choke terrorists on their own, so we don't have to do it. Democracies don't breed terrorists, they eliminate them. It's a noble cause, just try to look at the big picture.

I do see some cause for hope over there, but as was the case in the cold war with Russia it did not come down to fighting a war , it came down to economic war and our side won. I guess I am just not nearly as optimistic as you RNM, and I base that on the premise that Christians (which basically we, the Allied Forces are) have been fighting these same forces for 1200 years or so and I have seen liitle progress against these hardheaded fundamentalists(eventhough that could describe our side at times as well. LOL). But just as drops of water can create a 'Grand Canyon', I guess there is hope in this age of rapidly advancing technology such as the internet. My biggest concern is still the welfare of our troops and secondarily all Americans' wellbeing! Plus I wish we would show a little more regard for other countries' opinions as well, I dont say we have to abide by them, just listen to them a little more like we actually care.:toast:

 

[Dawoofdaddy]

Now that Saddam and his kids are gone and all WMDs are checked out to be gone, is there any reason to stay in Iraq that would justify one more kid dying??????????????

The board of directors at Boeing, Lockheed, General Dynamics, Exxon, and how could I forget Halliburton are making billions from this war.

Of course there are many other companies that WANT this war to continue regardless of who and/or how many are killed. Ironically, certainly the number killed will not include anyone from the corporate and political families making the decisions related to the war.

The same companies that make the war weaponry are controlled by the same people owning the companies that will make additional billions from the 'rebuilding' effort.

What is more shocking is the number of Americans, many calling themselves Christians, that really believe this Iraq war is to stop terrorism and free elections.

I support the troops and do not appreciate people bashing them for they are only pawns. However, I do not support this government for this is an illegal war. They have passed laws to take away our rights and throw us into jail for what used to be protected rights of protest.

I know some of you diehard Bush supporters do not agree. However, please, if only for a moment remove your Republican masks and look at the war as a world citizen without being biased about American political party nonsense.

If you still support the war, then immediately grab your M-16 and get on the first plane to Iraq and devote your life to Bush and the rest of these neocons which have hijacked the White House and Pentagon.

May we all enjoy today.

:baba:

 

[Redneckman]

Thank you for not mentioning depleted uranium in one of your posts.

 

[CAPNCRUNCH]

DawoofDaddy has spoken! AMEN!:toast:

 

[CAPNCRUNCH]

Thank you for not mentioning depleted uranium in one of your posts.

:lolBIG:

 

[Redneckman]

Your points are all well taken, Captain. :toast:

 

[Dawoofdaddy]

Thank you for not mentioning depleted uranium in one of your posts.

Say pal, I know it is very difficult for Bush supporters to sway from anything he preaches to the sheep, but how about opening your eyes to reality.

If you still believe all this hoopla about free elections here and/or in Iraq, grab your m-16 and drive on with the Airborne mission soldier!

Forget about the Bush/Kerry cartoon they played onto most of us shallow enough to believe it. Remember the Bush/Clinton Bush/Gore cartoons? See the pattern? These people are one group out to take your job, money, and freedom.

Nobody is asking you to vote for Kerry or any other wacko Democrat for they are equally crooked as the bunch in the White House today.

I had to be made aware of some things before seeing the truth. Hopefully, you will do the same.

:drink:

 

[CAPNCRUNCH]

Your points are all well taken, Captain. :toast:

Thank You RNM! Yours were well stated also!:toast:

 

[Redneckman]

Bush out to take my freedom? Huh? Let's see, he's lowered income and capital gains taxes, is pushing for private social security accounts, furthering his agenda for an ownership society, wants to spread democracy around the globe, doesn't believe in economy-choking global warming demands being placed on our country. Doesn't look like he's out to take my freedom away to me. Hope you're not one of those guys who thinks there's a sniper at every roof top waiting to take you out. Enjoy, and place a little trust in the man.

 

[docmercer--banned]

We are one terrorist attack away on American soil for Bush to get his Police state ... and that is what Tommy Franks was quoted as saying