Do you ever fold KK or QQ???

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Are these hands foldable pre-flop, so many times Ive seen AA vs KK, or KK vs QQ. I feel this is an automatic screwjob as there is no way I am folding these cards. Am I a sucker,or are there any signs that show someone has top starting cards?
 

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KK very rarely, however, if I am deep stacked, late in a tourney, I'll lay down QQ from early position, if there are 2 or 3 raisers pre-flop.

I finished 2nd in an MTT last week on the strength of me going all in on the turn with AA against UTG's KK.
 

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kings i always push out a nice bet preflop maybe 5-6 times bb.
If someone comes over the top all-in i will fold em 75% of the time depending on the stack and their style
 
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kings i always push out a nice bet preflop maybe 5-6 times bb.
If someone comes over the top all-in i will fold em 75% of the time depending on the stack and their style

Alot of people will be small pairs the same way you bet KK. Therefore a large 3bet is a standard play. If you are laying kings down....you are playing too tight.
 

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Alot of people will be small pairs the same way you bet KK. Therefore a large 3bet is a standard play. If you are laying kings down....you are playing too tight.

What about queens? I can never fold them. I just say to myself, if they have kings or aces then I wasn't meant to win.
 

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What about queens? I can never fold them. I just say to myself, if they have kings or aces then I wasn't meant to win.

Disagree. Maybe you weren't meant to win, but that doesn't mean you have to get crushed. Again, it depends on the player who raised and (presumably) re-raised. And even if they only have AK you're just 50-50. Not worth risking your stack. JMO.
 

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I think there was a saying by Doyle Bunson, never lose your stack with a Queen in your hand (AQ, QQ).

Obviously QQ is a strong starting hand however if the situation screams beware, !strong hand from your reraiser!, you must get away from it. At that point you can pretty much put him on AA KK AK JJ, in which case you are probably a big dog or in a coin flip. why put your tournament on the line w those odds?

Laying KK preflop is almost impossible, however you must listen to your instincts. There are some hands where you dont have the chance to think your opponent has AA before the money goes in. But when a red flag arises, take note.

Playing small pots with KK AA is a great strategy, which will improve your tournament results
 

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Disagree. Maybe you weren't meant to win, but that doesn't mean you have to get crushed. Again, it depends on the player who raised and (presumably) re-raised. And even if they only have AK you're just 50-50. Not worth risking your stack. JMO.

With how people play online you'd be an idiot to fold KK preflop period. You can never assume the guy has the ONE better hand in all of poker to beat you. If you do that then you'll never win. You're playing way to tight if you do this.

QQ you can only fold rarely. Also it is not a flip if you have QQ and he has AK. If you think this is true you should not play poker anymore. Sorry I just had to let that be known. You are a favorite. If you think he has AK it's an insta-call. The goal of poker is to get your chips in with the best hand and hope math takes its course, not to play scared.
 

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I had my WSEX account wiped out one night when I was dealt KK THREE TIMES in a 3 hour period and someone else had AA each time.

Learned my lesson the hard way. About KK AND the "uncertainty" of internet poker.
 

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Postflop both hands are VERY foldable.

Preflop I don't think I've ever folded KK or QQ. A good example might be if you are on the bubble and 3 people go all in before you (and they all have you covered). Then I'd probably fold. One random all-in I call, one raise and I re-raise/all-in
 

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I had my WSEX account wiped out one night when I was dealt KK THREE TIMES in a 3 hour period and someone else had AA each time.

Learned my lesson the hard way. About KK AND the "uncertainty" of internet poker.

I've been on both ends of the KK vs AA preflop so as much as it sucks I have to keep reminding myself of the times some poor sap had the KK vs my AA or when someone had the JJ vs. my QQ.

Online seems to rape people more often than live (and in turn tilt the hell out of me), but I don't see it happening to one person more than others....they rape everyone equally.
 

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Do you ever fold KK or QQ???

Any time I have ever folded either one of those hands I was correct in doing so.Any time that I was on the fence concerning a call with either one of those hands and decided to say "fuck it" and call , I was wrong "every time".GO WITH YOUR GUT INSTINCTS!!!!
 

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QQ all the time, especially against morons in tournaments that like to risk their whole stack on AK when we are both near the top. When your in good position you should not be getting into coin flip situations.
 

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With how people play online you'd be an idiot to fold KK preflop period. You can never assume the guy has the ONE better hand in all of poker to beat you. If you do that then you'll never win. You're playing way to tight if you do this.

QQ you can only fold rarely. Also it is not a flip if you have QQ and he has AK. If you think this is true you should not play poker anymore. Sorry I just had to let that be known. You are a favorite. If you think he has AK it's an insta-call. The goal of poker is to get your chips in with the best hand and hope math takes its course, not to play scared.


The part of the quote of mine you posted was referring to folding QQ, not KK. FTR.

But back to KK. If a very tight player raises, then re-raises you after you make a healthy re-raise, you only call his bet if you have a death wish.
 

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never fold KK except in very specific tournament situations were doubling your chips is meaningless and your trying to limp into the money unless your at very high stakes there too many mediocre players to fold it and at top levels it would be a game theory mistake 95% of the time. As far as queens go unless your playing micro stakes fold if there is a raise and a huge reraise or 3 straight large raises
 

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I dont know if I have ever folded KK preflop, I can lay down QQ though, in fact just did it the other day. I raised w QQ in middle, the guy next to me re raised and the guy guy on the button went all in (this was 2nd lvl of tournament) I was fairly sure I was beat and had no reason to be all in with QQ in the 2nd lvl so I tossed them. 1st guy that reraised me had the other QQ and button had AA. Good fold for me
 

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kings i always push out a nice bet preflop maybe 5-6 times bb.
If someone comes over the top all-in i will fold em 75% of the time depending on the stack and their style



Shit 5-6 times the bb in a cash game is nothing.

I have folded KK 1 time in my life playing cashgames. I was in mid position and guy 2 after me rasied it 3 times my bet and I folded and he made my day when he turned over A's. I said why did you show me. He was so happy to have a nice hand he said he wanted to show it.

LOL I was not mad. Hell I was happy to see I was correct.

QQ's are not that hard to get away from.
 

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