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(CNN) -- Gas stations across the country are increasingly offering discounts for fuel purchases made with cash as high oil prices eat into their profits.

Gas stations like this one in San Francisco, California, are required to clearly show cash and credit prices.

The difference of 10 cents a gallon or more has some customers used to paying with a credit card irate, but station owners say they have to do something to turn a profit.

"If we pay 3 percent or even a little less than that at $4 a gallon in a credit card fee and I'm making 12 cents a gallon, that's my entire profit," said Paul Kelly, who owns a Sunoco station in New Jersey.

Customer Jim Coogan hadn't read the signs and didn't realize he would be paying 10 cents a gallon more at Kelly's Sunoco when he swiped his credit card.

"I don't think that's fair," he said when a reporter pointed out the difference.

"It's a matter of survival for us," Kelly said of the extra credit card charge. Watch why a New Jersey gas station offers a cash discount »

Brandon Wright, manager of communications for the Petroleum Marketers Association of America, said the high gas prices hit station owners in two ways -- the transaction fee they pay credit card processors and less business for profitable items inside the store.

"Fewer folks are driving meaning less convenience store traffic," Wright said.

Wright said the discount for cash purchases shouldn't surprise anyone.

Station owners are required to clearly post either separate prices for cash and credit or signs noting a discount for cash, said Wright, whose 8,000-member organization covers 100,000 of the nation's 160,000 gas stations.


"I don't normally carry that much money around with me cause it'll probably take about $90 to $100 to fill my tank up. So I mean if I was gonna save some money by using cash as opposed to using a credit card then I would go to the ATM first," Walcott said.

"The oil companies have a bizarre arrangement with station owners. The oil companies restrict what the gas station owners can charge per gallon, up from the wholesale price, by 7 to 12 cents," said Trish Wexler, spokesperson for the Electronic Payments Coalition. That doesn't allow station owners to recoup their costs, which increase percentagewise.

"The oil companies are squeezing them," she said.

"The cost associated with accepting credit and debit at the pump is a cost of doing business, much like rent, utilities and salaries and frankly the cost of accepting cash, because there is a cost associated with that as well," including staff to take money and security plans to protect the cash, Wexler said.

Visa said last month it was reducing its cut on petroleum purchases to give station owners and consumers a break.
Visa fee
15-gallon tank @ $4.00 per gallon = 94 cents charged to service station
Source: Visa


"By lowering our rates, we hope to see oil companies pass these savings along to their stations and ultimately to consumers," said Bill Sheedy, global head of corporate strategy and business development for Visa Inc.

MasterCard has also capped its fees on petroleum purchases to try to keep down prices.

Both MasterCard and Visa point out that credit and debit cards offer security and convenience that they say beats cash.

For some customers, that's an important consideration.

"What if somebody jumps me? Can't do that," trucker Martin Bouvet, of Garfield, New Mexico, told CNN affiliate KFOX-TV.

On the West Coast, cash discounts on gas are nothing new.

ARCO, a unit of BP America which bills itself as the leading gasoline marketer in the West, stopped accepting credit cards in 1982. The policy allows ARCO customers to save 6 to 7 cents a gallon, the company says. It accepts debit cards, but charges a 45-cent transaction fee.

A check of the Web site gasbuddy.com, which tracks gas prices in cities across the country, shows the difference can be substantially larger.

An ARCO on Palomar Airport Road in Carlsbad, California, was selling regular for $4.27 a gallon on Monday. Just a few miles down the same street, Chevron and Mobil stations advertised regular for $4.59 a gallon.

Charles Langley, who has tracked Southern California gas prices for the Utility Consumers' Action Network for 10 years, says drivers who charge their gas can actually end up paying substantially more than the 32 cents in the Carlsbad comparison.

"More people are financing gas," he said, incurring interest payments along with the cost of the fuel. And he said credit card users need to be more aware and just check posted prices to save money.

"Credit card buyers are notorious for not looking at the price of gas," he said, staying loyal to either their brand of gasoline or credit card they've used for a long time.

Langley says he personally stopped paying for gas with plastic, and now drives by the motto, "More gas for less cash."
 

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I'm surprised how many gas stations, or other stores for that matter, charge the same price for cash or credit. If it's better for them to get cash, then the most natural thing in the world is to give some sort of incentive for it.
 

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they do it for diesel all over the country
 

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Gotta pay cash nowadays


If a station is making 10 cents per gallon, and the credit card fee is 2.5%, the station is essentially breaking even. With the high cost per gallon and the small margin, stations have to add a credit card processing fee, they have no choice.

With the decreasing price of oil, stations are currently making .25 or more per gallon, but this only happens once every three years or so and doesn't last long. Maybe three months tops.
 

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There is a bar in town that has a video poker machine that they pay off in $10 gas cards. My bookie sits there all day playing, and then sells $150 in gas cards for $100 cash. So today when I bought gas for 3.59 a gallon, it was really only 2.39 for me.
 

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gas stations have never made money or much.....on gas anyway

money is made on the stuff you buy inside

read a while back that gas station values have plummeted as gas prices rose......people buying less stuff inside

as for CCs its a big scam perpetuated by the system to make us pay more money for goods

its a hard issue for us all to tackle since even if you aren't a CC debt whore and can pay with cash you still have that pull on you to use plastic for the rewards
 

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slowly starting to move towards pay with cash mode personally hopefully others follow

at mom and pop shops i always pay with cash if i have it on hand.....

not gonna support the scam anymore for the minimal rewards

although discover's current 5% on gas and travel for the next 3 months is hard to pass up

and from oct-dec u get 5% on grocery stores, restaurants, and movies
 

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i ripped up and threw away all my credit cards months ago.
 

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I'm surprised how many gas stations, or other stores for that matter, charge the same price for cash or credit. If it's better for them to get cash, then the most natural thing in the world is to give some sort of incentive for it.


In order to fly that VISA sticker in your establishment it is against the vendors agreement to charge any amount extra to use a CC.

If you ever come about an asian dry cleaner trying to make a minimum charge to use a CC report them to VISA. :toast:
 

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than why can they do it for diesel at stations you can buy regular gas at the same price whether you pay cash or credit?
 

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In order to fly that VISA sticker in your establishment it is against the vendors agreement to charge any amount extra to use a CC.

If you ever come about an asian dry cleaner trying to make a minimum charge to use a CC report them to VISA. :toast:


Then I suppose gas stations will just stop accepting Visa. You don't sell something to lose money.

As far as dry cleaners go, that's a different animal.
 

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A gas station would go under if they stop accepting Visa it is all put in the price you pay. Has been for ever and now they are trying to make you feel sorry for them. Looks like it worked on a few sucker here. Everyone in busines wants to take cash only if they could.
 

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A gas station would go under if they stop accepting Visa it is all put in the price you pay. Has been for ever and now they are trying to make you feel sorry for them. Looks like it worked on a few sucker here. Everyone in busines wants to take cash only if they could.

favorite irish pub here in town doesn't except credit and they do perfectly fine

:grandmais

overall americans and small businesses get nothing outta credit cards other than higher prices in return a free crack cocaine credit, ease of use etc....

just a scam to make MA and V's stock go up everytime you swipe

alot of this CC debt is gonna implode on the banks as well another bubble....and its alot easier to walk away from than saying a loan directly from the bank.....

V and MA will continue to laugh all the way to the bank as long as you keep on a swiping

CCs are like poker chips at the casino

its doesn't seem like real money
 
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That's not true nhoj. I know a couple of gas station owners. They are getting killed at the pumps. One of them, the one I go to regularly, does not accept credit cards. Cash only.

It is true that gas stations make next to nothing these days if you use a credit card. Here in Mass. gas stations are going under at an alarming rate. Can you imagine a town in the thickly settled Northeast without a gas station? It's beginning to happen.

Exxon announced about a month ago that they are getting out of the gas station ownership end of the business. That should tell you all you need to know.


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So how do these credit cards work? I really don't understand the business model. Consumer credit at an alltime high. People aren't gonna be able to pay off their cards. Heard this morning that people are tapping their IRAs at a record rate of 25% despite the penalty for doing so. Gas stations increasingly going to cash only. Can restaurants be far behind? Who else?

Who understands the creditcard business? Who are the big losers gonna be here? I'm itchin' to short those CC companies who are gonna get hit.
 

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A gas station would go under if they stop accepting Visa it is all put in the price you pay. Has been for ever and now they are trying to make you feel sorry for them. Looks like it worked on a few sucker here. Everyone in busines wants to take cash only if they could.

actually, a gas station would go under if they can't charge more for credit than cash and credit cards fees are > their margin per gallon.

having said that, stations in CT are charging more for credit and I'm pretty sure they're still taking Visa too.
 

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