Dan Hawkins - just for the record

Search

New member
Joined
Jan 9, 2009
Messages
18,212
Tokens
There has been some discussion about who was the better coach, Dan Hawkins or Bo Pelini. Obviously Pelini has only one year as a head coach but pulled a 9-4 season out last year much to the surprise of many.

The claim to fame for Hawkins was his awesome record at Boise St 53-11 (83%) which sounds impressive. But a closer look dispels this claim to fame.

Dirk Koetter took over the reigns at Boise back in 1998 and took his lumps in his first season going 6-5. He turned it around and went in 1999 (10-3) and 2000 (10-2). So overall he was 26-10 , 20-5 (80%) his last 2 years.
He then went to Arizona State where he went 40-34 54%) against the big boys which indicates it was a big transition as far as competition and coaching goes.

Dan Hawkins took over the reigns at Boise following Koetter having served as Koetters asst since 1997. He took over Koetters team and went 8-4 in 2001. He then went on to post a 53-11 (83%) record. He left Boise and went to Colorado in 2007 posting a 2-10 record in 2006, 6-7 record in 2007, and a 5-7 record in 2008 so he is 13-24 (36%) in his three years at Colorado.

There is a comparison to be drawn as it is apparent that both Koetter and Hawkins had trouble making the transition as they moved up to play teams with more talent and better coaching. Combined their post Boise records tell the story as they stand at 53-58 (48%) with Koetter holding up the stats for Hawkins.

Obviously, these facts were overlooked by the Hawkins supporter and it is easy enough to run down a first year coach although he took over a team who had gone 5-6 the prior year. I say Hawkins has had three years to do something positive and now he is losing players and asst coaches as his program is falling apart around him.

I just wanted to demonstrate that with 15 minutes of research the Hawkins supporter would or could have done a little bit of homework before voicing such an adament opinion and comparison. Some people on here do their homework before they speak and others just speak.

Now in light of the fact that Hawkins has been quoted saying that this years team would go 10-2 would be taken by many on here as a voice of futility spoken by someone who will wind up hearing those numbers for the rest of his life. Bo Pelini may go on to coaching greatness and maybe not, but at least his team plays legitimate teams, a legitimate schedule, and he took over a team that was down. Building up Hawkins is one thing, running down Pelini is another.

I feel much better for having gotten the above out of my system.
 

New member
Joined
Jan 9, 2009
Messages
18,212
Tokens
I forgot to mention

I forgot to mention that Hawkins took over a team that had gone 7-5. He lost his opener to MONTANA ST 10-19. Looking back I think the writing has been on the wall for a long long time.
 

Member
Joined
Oct 16, 2004
Messages
28,799
Tokens
Russ.......In all fairness to Dan Hawkins, Mark Mangino started out his career as a HC going 2-10, 6-6, 4-7 and 6-5 in his first 4 years, and was on the verge of getting fired before his team pulled off an 11-1 season. And I think we can all agree that Mangino is a pretty darned good coach.
 

New member
Joined
Jan 9, 2009
Messages
18,212
Tokens
Russ.......In all fairness to Dan Hawkins, Mark Mangino started out his career as a HC going 2-10, 6-6, 4-7 and 6-5 in his first 4 years, and was on the verge of getting fired before his team pulled off an 11-1 season. And I think we can all agree that Mangino is a pretty darned good coach.

And he is not the only coach to have rallied back. GS my point was really only to point out that going back to the Boise St record really did not mean much. And to say that Pelini "really has not done sh_t "was really unfair. I think even you will agree that spouting off about going 10-2 in 2009 is almost rubber suit talk. Dirk Koetter was not nearly as successful once he left Boise and the same holds true for Hawkins. I just get tired of hearing "unknowledgeable" comments from that particular source. Nothing new.
As for Hawkins I think he has had ample time to get it done and I have nothing against him personally. It was almost like coming from Boise he was predestined not to succeed.
What I posted above is a fair assessment based on fact and not a knee jerk remark by a guy who got called to task and found himself backed into a corner. Nothing new.
 

Banned
Joined
May 29, 2009
Messages
2,538
Tokens
An excellent write up. Hawkins has had 3 years to do something with a football team that had a decent reputation. Kansas was a complete and dismal failure for tens of years before Mangino got there. Colorado was 15-11 in the two preious years before Hawkins got there. SCOREBOARD. Hawkins has been a failure at Colorado. Nothing more need be said.
 

Member
Joined
Feb 28, 2005
Messages
8,810
Tokens
I agree it's time for Hawkins to put up or....get out.

However, I'm not sure why you are comparing him to Pelini. I don't get the comparison. Pelini was not a HC before he went to Nebraska....and has no comparable track record.

The moral of this story is: Chris Peterson should stay put at Boise and not try his luck elsewhere!!! :D
 

New member
Joined
Jan 9, 2009
Messages
18,212
Tokens
Coach

I agree it's time for Hawkins to put up or....get out.

However, I'm not sure why you are comparing him to Pelini. I don't get the comparison. Pelini was not a HC before he went to Nebraska....and has no comparable track record.

The moral of this story is: Chris Peterson should stay put at Boise and not try his luck elsewhere!!! :D


Coach: This has to do with some comments SoonerBS made on his Big 12 North thread - posts #11 and #13 and #26 . He made some flippant remarks and drug me into it. He left himself wide open on this one.
 

New member
Joined
Nov 21, 2006
Messages
2,864
Tokens
So, I just got back from golfing out at Jimmie Austin golf course in Norman. A couple of my golfing buddies and I went over because the course has just been prepped and manicured for a big tournament coming up. After golfing 9 holes we finish up and head to the club house to get something to drink before going to the 10th hole. Coming off 18 and driving a cart by himself was Sam Bradford. He had been golfing with a couple of beautiful coed golfers (must be nice to be the stud on campus) and had just said goodbye to them and they took off.

He pulls up next to us at the clubhouse and asks if we were ready to tee off at 10. We told him we were and he asks if he can play through. I tell him that would be alright, but that we would love him to just join up with us and play if he was going to play. He agreed to it with a smile. We shook hands and introductions were given all around before teeing off on the back nine.

To make a long story short, he kicked our asses, but we had a great time. While waiting to tee off on #12, I told him a couple of buddies of mine had been arguing over who was the better coach in the North Division, Hawkins or Pelini (I lied of course because Russ and BD aren't really my buddies, but I didn't figure he needed to know I was involved with gambling forums.) He immediately responds, "Well, Pelini has only coached one year . . ." and he let it trail off like it was really not relevant since Pelini hasn't been coaching that long. Then he said, "I'll tell you this much, the coaches respect both coaches, but the fact is Hawkins kicked our butts with a lot less talent than Pelini had last season and we hammered Nebraska. So, in my opinion, Hawkins is a much better coach." I didn't press the issue any further.

Sam Bradford is a good kid and was courteus the whole time we played golf. It was quite an experience for me and something I can tell my grankids some day (my son is already pissed at me because he wanted to go with me today anyway).

You guys go ahead and feel secure in your "knowledge," Russ and BD. You didn't prove a damn thing with your initial post, Russ, and it is still ludicrous to say that Pelini is a better coach than Hawkins after only one season. Sam and I realize that so the argument is over for me. But you guys feel free to wallow in your own self knowledge.

loser.gif
 

New member
Joined
Jan 9, 2009
Messages
18,212
Tokens
So, I just got back from golfing out at Jimmie Austin golf course in Norman. A couple of my golfing buddies and I went over because the course has just been prepped and manicured for a big tournament coming up. After golfing 9 holes we finish up and head to the club house to get something to drink before going to the 10th hole. Coming off 18 and driving a cart by himself was Sam Bradford. He had been golfing with a couple of beautiful coed golfers (must be nice to be the stud on campus) and had just said goodbye to them and they took off.

He pulls up next to us at the clubhouse and asks if we were ready to tee off at 10. We told him we were and he asks if he can play through. I tell him that would be alright, but that we would love him to just join up with us and play if he was going to play. He agreed to it with a smile. We shook hands and introductions were given all around before teeing off on the back nine.

To make a long story short, he kicked our asses, but we had a great time. While waiting to tee off on #12, I told him a couple of buddies of mine had been arguing over who was the better coach in the North Division, Hawkins or Pelini (I lied of course because Russ and BD aren't really my buddies, but I didn't figure he needed to know I was involved with gambling forums.) He immediately responds, "Well, Pelini has only coached one year . . ." and he let it trail off like it was really not relevant since Pelini hasn't been coaching that long. Then he said, "I'll tell you this much, the coaches respect both coaches, but the fact is Hawkins kicked our butts with a lot less talent than Pelini had last season and we hammered Nebraska. So, in my opinion, Hawkins is a much better coach." I didn't press the issue any further.

Sam Bradford is a good kid and was courteus the whole time we played golf. It was quite an experience for me and something I can tell my grankids some day (my son is already pissed at me because he wanted to go with me today anyway).

You guys go ahead and feel secure in your "knowledge," Russ and BD. You didn't prove a damn thing with your initial post, Russ, and it is still ludicrous to say that Pelini is a better coach than Hawkins after only one season. Sam and I realize that so the argument is over for me. But you guys feel free to wallow in your own self knowledge.

loser.gif
Quoting Sam Bradford is about the stupidest thing I have ever seen or heard. Unbelievable. You should know better than to even mention an incident like that on a forum like this much less the players name. What a moron. That is an all time low. That could jeapordize his eligibility dumbo,
discussing football with an admitted gambler who posts on a sports forum.
Pull your head out of your ass. If this story is just another big windy then you are a sick puppy. And I am wallowing just fine thank you.
 

New member
Joined
Nov 21, 2006
Messages
2,864
Tokens
Quoting Sam Bradford is about the stupidest thing I have ever seen or heard. Unbelievable. You should know better than to even mention an incident like that on a forum like this much less the players name. What a moron. That is an all time low. That could jeapordize his eligibility dumbo,
discussing football with an admitted gambler who posts on a sports forum.
Pull your head out of your ass. If this story is just another big windy then you are a sick puppy. And I am wallowing just fine thank you.

Read the post, moron! I didn't tell him I was a gambler and it is not against NCAA rules to talk football with college players (hell, we didn't even talk that much football which I also mentioned in the post.)

Russ, you are a complete imbecile.
 

New member
Joined
Jan 9, 2009
Messages
18,212
Tokens
Read the post, moron! I didn't tell him I was a gambler and it is not against NCAA rules to talk football with college players (hell, we didn't even talk that much football which I also mentioned in the post.)

Russ, you are a complete imbecile.


You don't get it moron. The people on here know it and you recorded it on here. WTF were you thinking. Next thing you know some Texas fan calls the NCAA and reports it as an incident. I repeat WTF. Why bring that kid into this deal. You just don't get it do you.
 

New member
Joined
Nov 20, 1998
Messages
23,315
Tokens
So, I just got back from golfing out at Jimmie Austin golf course in Norman. A couple of my golfing buddies and I went over because the course has just been prepped and manicured for a big tournament coming up. After golfing 9 holes we finish up and head to the club house to get something to drink before going to the 10th hole. Coming off 18 and driving a cart by himself was Sam Bradford. He had been golfing with a couple of beautiful coed golfers (must be nice to be the stud on campus) and had just said goodbye to them and they took off.

He pulls up next to us at the clubhouse and asks if we were ready to tee off at 10. We told him we were and he asks if he can play through. I tell him that would be alright, but that we would love him to just join up with us and play if he was going to play. He agreed to it with a smile. We shook hands and introductions were given all around before teeing off on the back nine.

To make a long story short, he kicked our asses, but we had a great time. While waiting to tee off on #12, I told him a couple of buddies of mine had been arguing over who was the better coach in the North Division, Hawkins or Pelini (I lied of course because Russ and BD aren't really my buddies, but I didn't figure he needed to know I was involved with gambling forums.) He immediately responds, "Well, Pelini has only coached one year . . ." and he let it trail off like it was really not relevant since Pelini hasn't been coaching that long. Then he said, "I'll tell you this much, the coaches respect both coaches, but the fact is Hawkins kicked our butts with a lot less talent than Pelini had last season and we hammered Nebraska. So, in my opinion, Hawkins is a much better coach." I didn't press the issue any further.

Sam Bradford is a good kid and was courteus the whole time we played golf. It was quite an experience for me and something I can tell my grankids some day (my son is already pissed at me because he wanted to go with me today anyway).

You guys go ahead and feel secure in your "knowledge," Russ and BD. You didn't prove a damn thing with your initial post, Russ, and it is still ludicrous to say that Pelini is a better coach than Hawkins after only one season. Sam and I realize that so the argument is over for me. But you guys feel free to wallow in your own self knowledge.

loser.gif

Nice story, timely too. Who wouldn't like to hear it? Can't think of anyone... other than someone with a ton of disingenuous remarks and off the wall bickerings, arguments -- the nature of the beast. A disgraceful loser who has never learned to walk away... and the only reason why this thread was ever started in the first place. Not worth my time. Done.
 

New member
Joined
Nov 21, 2006
Messages
2,864
Tokens
You don't get it moron. The people on here know it and you recorded it on here. WTF were you thinking. Next thing you know some Texas fan calls the NCAA and reports it as an incident. I repeat WTF. Why bring that kid into this deal. You just don't get it do you.

That is such utter bullshit, Russ. What are they going to say, "Some guy played golf with Sam Bradford and they talked about golf and who was the better football coach, Dan Hawkins or Bo Pelini." How is that an NCAA violation, Russ? I guess if it is, then Oklahoma is in trouble for all the reporters asking the players questions through the year. And, if it is a violation for players to talk to a guy who has made a wager on sports games, then they are in trouble for talking to Bob Barry Jr. because he admits to gambling on football all the time on the Sports Animal!

You are a real tool, Russ . . .

dontknow.gif
 

New member
Joined
Jan 9, 2009
Messages
18,212
Tokens
That is such utter bullshit, Russ. What are they going to say, "Some guy played golf with Sam Bradford and they talked about golf and who was the better football coach, Dan Hawkins or Bo Pelini." How is that an NCAA violation, Russ? I guess if it is, then Oklahoma is in trouble for all the reporters asking the players questions through the year. And, if it is a violation for players to talk to a guy who has made a wager on sports games, then they are in trouble for talking to Bob Barry Jr. because he admits to gambling on football all the time on the Sports Animal!

You are a real tool, Russ . . .

dontknow.gif

If you don't get you don't get it but that is just one more on a long list of stuff you don't get. My God now you bring Bob Barry Jr. into this thing.
Get a life dude, a real one. Did you have a drink with Bob too. An amateur athlete of the caliber of Sam does not need his name thrown around on a sports forum. To use something he said, if he indeed said it, brings nothing to the table and accomplishes nothing. A Nebraska fan sees it on here and the next thing the buzz in Lincoln is that Sam said Hawkins was a better coach than Pelini. Good grief do you think anything out. If you save your picks for your select group save stories like that too. All you have done is made yourself look even dumber.
Yes I am a tool you sonny boy are fool. Are you the one who is a teenager because you sure act like one.
 

New member
Joined
Jan 9, 2009
Messages
18,212
Tokens
Nice story, timely too. Who wouldn't like to hear it? Can't think of anyone... other than someone with a ton of disingenuous remarks and off the wall bickerings, arguments -- the nature of the beast. A disgraceful loser who has never learned to walk away... and the only reason why this thread was ever started in the first place. Not worth my time. Done.

My Conan this is my thread. Are you stalking me? Should I begin a countdown? You are never done.
 

New member
Joined
Nov 21, 2006
Messages
2,864
Tokens
OK, Russ, you're going back on the "ignore list" where you belong. My dad used to tell me, "Only a dumbshit argues with a dumbshit." I hope the forum will forgive me the last two days for being a dumbshit and arguing with you.
 

New member
Joined
Nov 5, 2007
Messages
883
Tokens
Quoting Sam Bradford is about the stupidest thing I have ever seen or heard. Unbelievable. You should know better than to even mention an incident like that on a forum like this much less the players name. What a moron. That is an all time low. That could jeapordize his eligibility dumbo,
discussing football with an admitted gambler who posts on a sports forum.
Pull your head out of your ass. If this story is just another big windy then you are a sick puppy. And I am wallowing just fine thank you.

This is about the dumbest thing I've ever heard. I'm seriously at a loss of words. Who even says "dumbo" anyway? Russ aren't you like 80 years old or something? Did you get that lingo from your grandson?

Listen up Seminloe fans, Russ finally came up with a way to get Tim Tebow thrown off the team. Just quote him on a gambling forum and say you talked to him in the weight room :):)
 

New member
Joined
Jan 9, 2009
Messages
18,212
Tokens
If you guys do not understand that quoting an amateur athlete who has "alledgedlly" made a comment about an opposing coach is just not the thing you post on a forum than you have lost it. It had nothing to do with the Boise St comments and brought nothing to the table. Throwing names around on a forum and saying things that cannot be subsantiated is bush league at best. I am going to talk it over with Stoops today on my way over to see David Boren right after I have lunch with Bob Barry Jr. After a little Raquetball with Steve Owens I will meet Barry Sanders over at Hooters on my way to dinner at Legends with James Gardner. Walter Mitty is alive and well in OKC folks.
 

sdf

Member
Joined
Oct 1, 2005
Messages
14,301
Tokens
If you guys do not understand that quoting an amateur athlete who has "alledgedlly" made a comment about an opposing coach is just not the thing you post on a forum than you have lost it.


whaaaaaaaaaaaaa?
 

Forum statistics

Threads
1,119,883
Messages
13,574,666
Members
100,881
Latest member
afinaahly
The RX is the sports betting industry's leading information portal for bonuses, picks, and sportsbook reviews. Find the best deals offered by a sportsbook in your state and browse our free picks section.FacebookTwitterInstagramContact Usforum@therx.com