Damn i knew something was fishy at USC, lol...

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Willye said:
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/sports/14413330.htm

U$C handing out the :money8::money8::money8::missingte

i knew there was a reason the canes didnt get him, damn U$C has dddddddddddddddeeep pockets

I read the article and I don't see how you could imply that USC had anything to do with that. It should be very clear that the "agency" was courting Bush's family AFTER the 2005 season was nearly done anticipating that they might get to represent Reggie as his pro agent. That's shooting for his NFL money. Why the hell would USC want anything to do with him in that way after he leaves school and goes into the NFL? You are twisted.

Funny you should bring this up right after I commented in another thread on how some people will twist the truth because they are desperate to see USC go down.

Pitiful.
 

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they were living in the house during the season, during april of last year, cmon now do a little re-read of the article this time without any bias i no for a fact :money8::money8: U$C has some deep pockets, as do alot of schools the difference with U$C is they make the ncaa too much money so the ncaa wont go after them at all just stating the facts thats all....:thumbsup2:
 

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Conan said:
I read the article and I don't see how you could imply that USC had anything to do with that. It should be very clear that the "agency" was courting Bush's family AFTER the 2005 season was nearly done anticipating that they might get to represent Reggie as his pro agent. That's shooting for his NFL money. Why the hell would USC want anything to do with him in that way after he leaves school and goes into the NFL? You are twisted.

Funny you should bring this up right after I commented in another thread on how some people will twist the truth because they are desperate to see USC go down.

Pitiful.

COME ON!!!

You are actually trying to push us to the rationalization that USC didn't know anything about this? The family lived there for a year, while USC was trying for a mythical three-peet......and nobody at that esteemed university heard anything about this? BULL SHIT!
 

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Willye said:
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/sports/14413330.htm

U$C handing out the :money8::money8::money8::missingte

i knew there was a reason the canes didnt get him, damn U$C has dddddddddddddddeeep pockets


LOL.

Did Miami actually think they had a chance at this guy out of high school?

The reason he didn't go to Miami is that he wanted a chance at winning a championship.
 

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Here's what it says... now think.

As far back as November, Michaels and associate Lloyd ''Tata'' Lake had told a source that Bush was expected to be New Era's lead client.

And also...

"Neighbors of Bush's family members said the family had been living at the home since last year. Michaels purchased the home in April 2005, shortly after it was built." OK so maybe they moved in during the summer.

But it also states that when Bush chose a different agent, his family moved out of the house.

How this ties the school or RB into any of this is beyond me. Only in November, after the season had passed did the "investors" form a sports agency corporation. It didn't even exist when the family moved into the house. Obviously someone made a deal with $$$ in their eyes hoping to form a player's agency featuring Reggie Bush and it fell through.

It seems to me that someone had ideas how to cash in on Reggie Bush. But I still don't see how this would implicate Reggie or the school. He had already played on the first team for a year so how would this have motivated him, and why USC or RB would even need any type of "motivation" of any kind still escapes me. Clearly someone was looking down the road to his pro career trying to set themselves up. Reggie didn't announce his intentions to go into the NFL draft until MUCH later on, during December. Why would they (USC) have any interest in seeing RB's family benifit from a pro agent's offerings before he announced he was going pro? It makes no sense.

Then you accuse USC of handing out the $$$? And with the type of jeopardy this could expose them to?

Sorry, that makes no sense to me but maybe it does to you because you wish it would.
 

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Conan,

Reggie Bush's family proffited from an agent while Reggie was playing for USC. THAT is an NCAA violation.

The NCAA doesn't give a steaming fecal pile if the university was directly linked to it or not. The university's prior knowledge ( or absence of knowledge) is not a viable point of contention. Remember, motivation (the agent's, the player's, the family's or the university's) is not an issue here. The fact IS that the Bush family took a gift of free housing while Reggie was playing for the NCAA....and that is something that is aganst the rules.

Now, will the NCAA have the balls to hand down the same punishment to USC as it did to Alabama?
 

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i believe that i have heard the bush family also received free plane tickets and hotel rooms to away football games as well ???

can anyone confirm this?
 

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Pete, will you be bringing your sorry ass to Gainesville on Oct 7? If you do come, please bring the lovely Paula with you. OBTW, I just noticed that LSU is the Homecoming game. When did LSU become a homecoming cremepuff?:lolBIG: Hope to see the BOTH of you Oct 7 LT:party:
 

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COACH,

YEP, WE HAVE ALREADY CIRCLED THAT DATE. I don't believe anyone would seriously schedule us as a patsy for Homecoming. Ya'll must REALLY like Teabow!!

Get ready for a high-scoring game, because I think we could put up 35 on anyone in the country this season. Of course, we might give up 40 every game, but it will not be dull. We have three QB's that could thread a needle blindfolded, and FIVE receivers that could catch a BB at night.
 

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You people are worse than women!!!!!!!
Who fucking cares!!! Reggie Bush and his entire family will be fine., USC (as much as many of you wish) won't get games stripped from them, no suspensions will happen.

It'll just be another 4 days for you gossip sewing circles to blab about "how much of an outrage" this should be.

C'mon people don't be so fucking nieve! All these college stars have perks up the ying yang. What else is new???!!!!!

Jeezus!
 

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had a good shot with him out of high school and at the time, we had just won the title, obviously every school does it, it's just that the ncaa picks and chooses who they want to punish U$C makes the ncaa too much money:money8::money8: thus nothing will come of it
 

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LSUpete said:
Conan,

Reggie Bush's family proffited from an agent while Reggie was playing for USC. THAT is an NCAA violation.

The NCAA doesn't give a steaming fecal pile if the university was directly linked to it or not. The university's prior knowledge ( or absence of knowledge) is not a viable point of contention. Remember, motivation (the agent's, the player's, the family's or the university's) is not an issue here. The fact IS that the Bush family took a gift of free housing while Reggie was playing for the NCAA....and that is something that is aganst the rules.

Now, will the NCAA have the balls to hand down the same punishment to USC as it did to Alabama?

Just for clarification...this guy is not an agent.... He's not even in sports marketing. He works at a local indian casino. He WANTED to get into sports marketing, and he started a company in hopes of landing Bush (he could not get any major investors to go in with him, so he partnered with a felon), but he has no "name" clients, and is in fact a nobody in the sports world.

At the time the Bush's moved in, this guy was setting T-times at the golf course. He may have had a scheme in place, and I'd even believe he ran it by the parents at some point, but I really don't think Reggie Bush had any idea what was going on until the football season started, if he had any idea at all. He quickly blew these guys off when approached by them. Also, no one knows if Bush's parents were paying rent or not, so we don't know yet if it was free housing. I'm sure if they were paying rent it wasn't at market.

I'm sure some NCAA rule has been broken, but I doubt anything will come of it. The bottom line is that his parents are stupid as hell since their son was going to be worth about $50 mill within the year that they moved in and if Reggie is implicated, he's a stupid ass too.
 

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Here is some excerpts from the San Diego Union Tribune...note that they didn't even have the company set up until November 2005, six months after the Bush's moved in.

Michaels, who also goes by the name Michael Pettiford, and partner Lloyd Lake, who is now in federal prison, had been trying to set up a sports marketing company called New Era Sports and Entertainment. They had hoped – but ultimately failed – to sign Bush as a primary client.

It is a violation of NCAA rules for an athlete, or his relatives or friends, to accept benefit from “any person who represents any individual in the marketing of his or her athletics ability ... (or) an agent, even if the agent has indicated that he or she has no interest in representing the student-athlete in the marketing of his or her athletics ability or reputation.”

It is unclear the amount of rent that Bush's mother and stepfather paid to live in the house. If the sum was less than market value, the NCAA could determine the relationship to be a violation. Typically in instances where violations have been discovered, the NCAA ruled the athlete ineligible and stripped the team of any victories that occurred while the athlete was in violation.

The University of Southern California was 12-1 last season as Bush, in his junior season, wowed the nation with highlight-reel moves and earned the Heisman, considered the most prestigious award in college football. The former star at Helix High in La Mesa elected to turn professional and is expected to be the No. 1 pick in the NFL draft Saturday.
Lake and Michaels had approached San Diego-based agent David Caravantes about possibly negotiating Bush's NFL contract, as well as joining their prospective agency.

“They were trying to get me in front of (Bush) during the interview process, which I was never a part of,” Caravantes said. “They didn't try to recruit him for me. They thought it would be a good idea to have everything in San Diego. I think their concept was that they were going to deal with marketing, and they (needed) an agent.

“If things worked out, we were going to try to put something together (to become business partners). But everything was in waiting to see if they landed (Bush) to do the marketing. Nothing came of it.” Bush ultimately decided not to enlist with New Era, which killed the plan of Michaels and Lake. Bush hired Miami-based agent Joel Segal in January and Mike Ornstein as his marketing representative.

These guys thought they had an in to Reggie Bush...maybe the father even opened the door for them. But the bottom line is these guys didn't market Reggie Bush in any way, didn't ever have him under contract, and have never marketed any professional athlete.

This is a matter of some guys trying to get rich of Bush, not the other way around.
 

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USC had to know...I think Carroll paid for it with some of the booster money from covering the freakin' spreads...
 

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Who really knows how much investigating and updating the family circumstances of a star athlete a school would be interested in doing. I think that would be a ridiculous intrusion into an athlete's private life justified by some precident lending itself to paranoia. To assume that any official at USC would hire a private dick to be out there digging around the Bush's trash to find a rent receipt is absurd. The whole idea is a whimpy attempt to now smear USC. How can they be called out on the carpet for what some con artist pulls with the family of one of their players. That's what it looks like to me so if the NCAA wants to skip it, it's for good reason. However I agree that Mr. Bush Sr. is either one dumb mofo or the victim of some smooth talkin ex con game player, we may never know. Or we may.

Good point that nothing ever came of that relationship and no deal was ever struck with any professional agent. Can they punish someone for thinking about violatiing the rules but never do it? For all we know Bush's dad had this fool on a string the whole time with no intention of his son ever doing business with them.

Yeah right, give me a break... Pete Carroll was right in the middle of this non-company's business. AS IF!
 

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Oh I get it... Michaels was Pete Carroll's favorite blackjack dealer at some San Diego Indian Casino. How did I not realize that?
 

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Conan..The Bush fiasco was even lead story on the sports here in Oklahoma. But to me it just feels like one of those dead end stories that we may never get all of the true details on, and it eventually dies on the vine. But it looks like it will be good fodder for the RX message boards for the next few weeks. Unless somebody high up in the NCAA hiarchy has a hard-on to take USC down I believe this will end up a dead story very soon.
 

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Michael's partner ended up in the slammer. This sad loser's business blew up in his face. The company never signed a single player. The only legit agent in the story turned them down. Then Reggie Bush turned everyone down. His dad got kicked out for non-payment of rent. Tracy was caught kissing Pete Caroll in the team's equipment room. Arliss to the rescue. (I must have missed that episode.) Sorry but this is starting to bore me. That usually happens when the story itself becomes the story. Sounds like someone's been spanking the monkey (for the 5th time today.) Yes, I'm absolutely sure that I'm bored. Think I'll go watch the Soap channel for a while.

I do feel a little sorry for NCAA officials in their new janitorial capacity.
 

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