Could you hate President Bush at every

[GAMEFACE]

turn types name some of the current world leaders you believe are doing a great job?

 

[xpanda]

Viktor Yuschenko gets serious props for igniting the kind of grassroots citizens' action that could serve as an inspiration to all of us.

Those of you who think democracy can be had at the end of a gun should hold this example up high.

 

[PatPatriot]

Thats because they had a taste.

Which hopfully will catch on elsewhere.

 

[xpanda]

Hopefully. But any real revolution worth it's salt comes from the people, not the leadership of another nation.

 

[bblight]

Agreed about Viktor Yuschenko, but he's not a world leader yet - just an aspiring world leadre.
What about all of the leaders from the Western countries?

 

[PatPatriot]

Hopefully. But any real revolution worth it's salt comes from the people, not the leadership of another nation.
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True.
Keep your eye on Iran.

 

[xpanda]

Agreed about Viktor Yuschenko, but he's not a world leader yet - just an aspiring world leadre.

(technically, there is no such thing as a 'world leader' anyway.)

Yuschenko is the poster child for democracy and citizens' rights at the moment. He's the only 'world leader' I would deem 'great.'

What about all of the leaders from the Western countries?

Game said 'great,' not 'reasonable' or 'non-homicidal.'

I wouldn't even charactarise my own PM as 'great.' Passable, but not great.

 

[GAMEFACE]

Not a long list, eh? President Bush is the best the free world has at this point, eh!

 

[xpanda]

Sure, if you like prison sex.

 

[GAMEFACE]

Sure, if you like prison sex.

eh?

 

[docmercer--banned]

Jerry Jones of the Dallas Cowboys!

 

[WildBill]

I think Hu Jintao is doing a fabulous job when little was expected of him. Being leader of China is getting to be an incredibly complicated job with so many angles to worry about and so far it is holding up. Maybe not positively for the US, but if you ask just which major world leader is running the best ship right now I would probably vote for him. Remember he could have just taken the Bush ideal and ran over some of his neighbors and played hardball, but his administration has keep the evil Mr. Kim somewhat in line, he hasn't done things to ruin the Taiwanese or Hong Kong economies, he hasn't taken down any other Asian economies with the fixed exchange rate policies, and facing grim supply shortages he has turned to areas of the world the other leaders have ignored, mainly South America and Africa. You might not like his policies, but that is solid and thought out leadership.

 

[eek.]

True.
Keep your eye on Iran.

puh-lease.

is that like keep your eye on Iraq? :>Grin>

Or am I just a bit dim...
that's a heck of a sense of humor there...you cunning cynical old hound dog.

 

[jeffry22]

I always liked a man named roberto daubusan in el salvador during the 80's - but he died a long time ago.

 

[xpanda]

puh-lease.

is that like keep your eye on Iraq? :>Grin>

Or am I just a bit dim...
that's a heck of a sense of humor there...you cunning cynical old hound dog.

actually, in Pat's defence, he was talking about the grassroots revolution that's happening there.

Though, along your train of thought, found this interesting headline this morning:

Iran Making New Missiles That Could Hit U.S.

By BARRY SCHWEID

WASHINGTON (AP) - Interception of several technology shipments to Iran has bolstered U.S. suspicions that Iran is secretly developing an intercontinental ballistic missile that could threaten Europe and possibly the United States.
An intelligence report this week to Congress said North Korea, China and parts of the former Soviet Union provided Iran through the end of last year with ballistic-missile equipment, technology and expertise.

The report said Iran, in trying to improve existing missiles, was ``also pursuing longer-range ballistic missiles.''

A well-placed Bush administration official told The Associated Press on Thursday that U.S. interceptions had strengthened U.S. suspicions that Iran was trying to develop an intercontinental missile that could reach Europe and possibly the United States.

The official, speaking on condition of anonymity, declined to specify what material was intercepted and to identify the countries that sought to help Iran.

But he said North Korea, China and Russia all have contributed technology to Iran for its existing Shahab-3 missile, which has a range of about 600 miles and is believed capable of carrying nuclear weapons.

An Iranian spokesman at the United Nations in New York has been quoted as denying that Iran was developing a ballistic missile with a range beyond 1,250 miles.

The U.S. official said the project was being cloaked in terms of work on a space-launched booster missile.

The official said Iran was trying to expand the range of the Shahab-3 missile, which is a replica of a North Korean missile, so it could travel 1,250 miles.

Both newer missiles would be capable of carrying nuclear warheads as well as chemical and biological weapons, he said.

Secretary of State Colin Powell last month said Iran was trying to adapt missiles to deliver nuclear weapons.

``I have seen some information that would agree that they have been actively working on delivery systems,'' Powell said.

This week's intelligence report to Congress said, ``Iran continued to vigorously pursue indigenous programs to produce nuclear, chemical and biological weapons'' and that Iran ``is also working to improve delivery systems.''

Daryl Kimball, president of the private Arms Control Association, said, ``It would not be surprising that Iranian engineers may be conducting paper studies of longer-range missiles.''

But, he added, there was a great difference between a paper study and a proven missile capability.

Kimball said there were substantial technical difficulties in building a longer-range missile that also could carry nuclear warheads.

``So we must be cautious in these estimates and understand that Iran is still years off from a proven capability for intercontinental ballistic missiles,'' he said.

Iran has promised to temporarily suspend all programs, including enrichment of uranium, that could be involved in developing nuclear weapons.

President Bush has called the promise a positive first step. But he also insisted on international verification and on a permanent halt of the programs.

Diplomats told The Associated Press in Vienna, the headquarters of the International Atomic Energy Agency, that Iran may be hiding equipment bought by its military that could be used in a nuclear weapons program despite the promised freeze.

Iran also has not responded to or denied IAEA requests for inspections at or complete lists of components used at suspect military sites, the diplomats said.

State Department spokesman Richard Boucher said Thursday, ``We would expect Iran to comply with all requests.''

 

[GAMEFACE]

I think Hu Jintao is doing a fabulous job when little was expected of him. Being leader of China is getting to be an incredibly complicated job with so many angles to worry about and so far it is holding up. Maybe not positively for the US, but if you ask just which major world leader is running the best ship right now I would probably vote for him. Remember he could have just taken the Bush ideal and ran over some of his neighbors and played hardball, but his administration has keep the evil Mr. Kim somewhat in line, he hasn't done things to ruin the Taiwanese or Hong Kong economies, he hasn't taken down any other Asian economies with the fixed exchange rate policies, and facing grim supply shortages he has turned to areas of the world the other leaders have ignored, mainly South America and Africa. You might not like his policies, but that is solid and thought out leadership.

WB,

You're joking right. A communist country, the country is completely censored. They run slave labor camps and jail any opposition, amazing.

 

[WildBill]

You asked what country's leader was most effective. He didn't institute all those things and by most accounts the restrictiveness of the country is loosened every year. What I am talking about is someone whose economy is off the charts and yet his team has found a way to keep the country in line. It continues to boom despite all the world wringing its hands thinking how can we beat it. Most importantly for the Chinese, its world diplomacy has never been better. A country that was either never taken seriously or feared now has a place at the table with the top leaders of the world, making friends instead of alienating them as Bush has done.

No Game I don't condone communism and would never suggest it, but right now no leadership has been more effective than China. That is a

 

[GAMEFACE]

WB,

It's apples and oranges, if America had slave labor camps China would not be needed by anyone and their economy would be non-existent.