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July 16, 2014



TUSCALOOSA, Ala. - The University of Alabama football team will open the 2016 season in the Cowboys Classic against Southern California at AT&T Stadium in Arlington, Texas. The game is scheduled for Saturday, September 3, with information on ticket sales as well as television coverage and kickoff time to be determined at a later date.
The eighth annual Cowboys Classic will be the eighth meeting between these storied programs, and the first regular season match-up since the 1970s when they split four epic battles during the 1970, 1971, 1977 and 1978 seasons. This came at a time in college football history when both universities were fighting for the national title on an annual basis, including a shared title in 1978 - when the only loss on Alabama's 11-1 record was a 24-14 defeat at the hands of a Trojans team that posted a 12-1 record and won the Rose Bowl. The two schools also squared off in the 1985 Aloha Bowl, with the Crimson Tide winning that contest 24-3. Alabama leads the all-time series 5-2.
Under head coach Nick Saban, the Crimson Tide has played in five previous neutral site regular season games and has two more on the schedule over the next two years. Alabama has a 4-1 mark in these games under Saban, which includes four straight wins. The Tide played Florida State in Jacksonville in 2007 as well as Clemson (2008) and Virginia Tech (2009 and 2013) in the Chick-fil-A Kickoff in Atlanta. UA played in the 2012 Cowboys Classic and defeated Michigan in front of 90,413 fans. Alabama will open the 2014 season in Atlanta with a matchup against West Virginia in the Chick-fil-A Kickoff and play Wisconsin on September 5, 2015, in Arlington.The game will mark the eighth contest in the Cowboys Classic series with ABC/ESPN. Each matchup has featured nationally ranked teams with Brigham Young University upsetting the University of Oklahoma 14-13 in inaugural game in 2009, TCU knocking off Oregon State 30-21 in 2010, LSU defeating Oregon 40-27 in 2011, Alabama downing Michigan 41-14 in 2012 and LSU's 37-27 victory over TCU in 2013.


 

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The last time bama played usc in that hula bowl , ray perkins skipped off to tampa bay in the middle of the night , and b4 that John McKay had left USC for tampa bay.

...Any odds on Sark or Saban coaching the Bucs in 2017 ? haha
 

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damn, wanted a home and home with them. would be great to play in the coliseum then back in ttown. hell of a match though

color me stupid but sitting in 102 degree heat on Sept 3 isn't as great as 77 degrees in So Cal...
 

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RT, really like the 8/1 on Bama this year for NC... For the talent they have on that team its pretty much the best value I have seen with your squad recently...parlayed them with other futures too.also picked up

Fla St 5.25
Oregon 14/1
UCLA 26/1
LSU 22/1
SC 50/1
OKla 14/1
 

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damn, wanted a home and home with them. would be great to play in the coliseum then back in ttown. hell of a match though

color me stupid but sitting in 102 degree heat on Sept 3 isn't as great as 77 degrees in So Cal...
I would have preferred they did a home and home too. I don't like marquee games played at the Death Star (Jerry's World) in the Sooners recruiting backyard. That said, it will probably be a good game if USC can get some qulaity depth by then. But I'm in kind of a quandary of who I would root for.
 

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color me stupid but sitting in 102 degree heat on Sept 3 isn't as great as 77 degrees in So Cal...

102 degree heat? Jerry World is retractable dome and air conditioning. Roof would be closed. Like sitting at home. Unless you are talking of TTown.
 

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it will probably be a good game if USC can get some qulaity depth by then.

GS, USC is now off probation so can resume normal scholarships, so no reason they won't have depth in 2016. I'd even argue their recruiting took far less of a hit in this period than State Penn, Miami, and Bama

interesting note.... Miami went on probation losing 31 scholarships in 1995 and won the title just 6 years later, 2001. Alabama went on probation in 2002, -21 schollies, and won the title in 2009, just a 7 year gap.

USC went on probation in 2010....trophy in 2016? 2017?
 

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GS, USC is now off probation so can resume normal scholarships, so no reason they won't have depth in 2016. I'd even argue their recruiting took far less of a hit in this period than State Penn, Miami, and Bama

interesting note.... Miami went on probation losing 31 scholarships in 1995 and won the title just 6 years later, 2001. Alabama went on probation in 2002, -21 schollies, and won the title in 2009, just a 7 year gap.

USC went on probation in 2010....trophy in 2016? 2017?

I tend to agree with that assessment however you have to allow for epic sanctions vs USC because of all that outrageous unconscionable NCAA bullshit in 2010 that went away just this season. Loss of 30 scholarships? Well, at least Sarkisian will have 2 years with 25 schollies per to prove his lack of worth.

otherwise:

Interesting situation indeed....
Sarkisian vs Saban........................hahahaha :):)Oh God, my ribs... ouch.

But I do think that Sarksian does photograph better than Saban... for what that's worth.

Saban is smart to make this game happen when the Trojans are just getting up out of their hospital bed. (NCAA)
Not an excuse, more like a reality check... (and don't forget that I still think more of the Bama OC's offenses than of Sarks.)

This should be an embarrassment as Sarkisian who puts his best offense out there vs Lane Kiffin's best. They should have put this game in the LA Coliseum just so all the USC alumni at the game would go home feeling totally humiliated and embarrassed to have hired Sarkisian in the first place, only to be outgunned by Saban and his ex USC HC as his most excellent OC. Now why the f**k couldn't Haden have set aside his almost-worthless loyalty to former USC players/coaches and hired Petersen instead -- clearly the best man available at the time? Just MHO. (However right)

Also, I hear that y'all down south are paying more attention to recruiting higher quality starting QB's across the board these days and doing a lot better in that vein. Defenses may win championships but the QB and his offense wins games.

USC will have some depth if you are counting about 12 RS Freshman to go with about 50 (maybe) Sophs, Jr.'s & a few seniors that didn't dare to declare for the NFL draft. After all 2015 is the first school year they will actually have a full compliment of recruits on scholarship. But perhaps they might start 2016 with a few 5* immediate impact true freshmen to go with. And by the way, Cody Kessler (USC's QB) will play his last game as a Trojan in 2015 unless they play a bowl game in January 2016 or if he goes pro before that. Very good possibility that USC will have a new starting QB that's pretty green in 2016.

Fat chance that Bama will maintain their slight skid for 2 years more. That about sums it all up for me.

Yeap... Saban timed this one right.
 

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..and don't you think for one minute that isn't exactly how he approached the scheduling of this one. Sometimes it's a good thing to be anal retentive (detail oriented) as Saban is known to be. I'm sure he looked at this game much deeper than I did.
 

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USC now has a new kid on the block to deal with. I believe UCLA will cut into their recruiting a bit. Maybe a lot if the Bruins live up to their hype this season.
 

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Very good possibility that USC will have a new starting QB that's pretty green in 2016.

well, Tide will have a 2nd year starter (bateman? cornwell? barnett? who knows...) so i guess that's why saban agreed to the game otherwise he'd have been shaking in his Nike's at the almighty Trojans or scheduled La Tech? or that's what you'd like me to believe anyway...

i like how you're making excuses already....and still 26 months before the game.

1) will only have had full scholarship limits for 3 signing periods
2) might have a new qb
3) not playing at home

just another game for me but glad you're super fired up

preferred a home and home myself but i'm guessing saban was too scared to play USC in the coliseum

since bama won't have cooper or howard or yeldon or drake or henry by then i doubt we'll score anyway
 

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well, Tide will have a 2nd year starter (bateman? cornwell? barnett? who knows...) so i guess that's why saban agreed to the game otherwise he'd have been shaking in his Nike's at the almighty Trojans or scheduled La Tech? or that's what you'd like me to believe anyway...

i like how you're making excuses already....and still 26 months before the game.

1) will only have had full scholarship limits for 3 signing periods
2) might have a new qb
3) not playing at home

just another game for me but glad you're super fired up

preferred a home and home myself but i'm guessing saban was too scared to play USC in the coliseum

since bama won't have cooper or howard or yeldon or drake or henry by then i doubt we'll score anyway

This is starting to sound like an auction where the low bidder gets the job.

I make no excuses. I fully expect the Trojans to go down at Jerry's world where the grounds keepers opened up the roof 2 hours prior to game time and left it open the entire game at the behest of Gary Patterson in the 2010 Cowboys Classic. A number of the Oregon State Ice Cubes reacted accordingly.
 

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USC now has a new kid on the block to deal with. I believe UCLA will cut into their recruiting a bit. Maybe a lot if the Bruins live up to their hype this season.
Yes... but they also have a pretty good head coach who has proven himself far beyond anything Sark has done in twice as much time as Mora. If Sarkisian fails, Mora will be the guy that makes it happen.
 

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This is starting to sound like an auction where the low bidder gets the job.

A number of the Oregon State Ice Cubes reacted accordingly.

i literally don't understand 90% of what you type. i'm sure it sounds good in your grey matter before you're belting those keys but it certainly doesn't come through to us more reasonable thinkers.

simply put saban doesn't hand pick opponents several years in the future based on how deep their roster might be and/or how experienced their qb will be. (see basically every early non-conf opponent incl wisconsin in 2015). personally i think he chose wvu just to shut holgorsen's fn mouth up but he didn't schedule penn st (2x), michigan, clemson, wisconsin, va tech because of having decreased scholarships or young qb's. hell, if anything he would want to STAY AWAY from first year qb's as Cam, Marshall, Knight, and Manziel all beat him in their first season at the position.

QB experience is one of the most overrated items that fans/bettors talk about. 3 of the last 4 Heisman winners were 1st-year guys and Saban won 2 of his 3 trophies at Bama with a first year qb while having his two worst recent years with senior qb's ...
 

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i literally don't understand 90% of what you type. i'm sure it sounds good in your grey matter before you're belting those keys but it certainly doesn't come through to us more reasonable thinkers.

After several weeks rest (doctor's orders,) allow me to help you think this through since it's apparent that you are having problems doing this for yourself (as I have often observed, especially when confronted with any type of metaphor or figurative expression that I might use such as where you interpreted "dealing with the devil" as some type of support on my part for player unions.)... so read up and understand this because I won't bother wasting any more of my time explaining these common expressions to you again, even if you continue to fall short in this way.

My last post or two downplayed USC's assets including their coach, their QB, their bench and the game's locale... not progressively bigger, higher and stronger claims about the team you might assume I would be backing in this scenario. If this were an auction, it could be said that my "bids" were progressively lower, not higher or bigger, the usual case.

Then you replied with this...

well, Tide will have a 2nd year starter (bateman? cornwell? barnett? who knows...) so i guess that's why Saban agreed to the game otherwise he'd have been shaking in his Nike's at the almighty Trojans or scheduled La Tech? or that's what you'd like me to believe anyway...

i like how you're making excuses already....and still 26 months before the game.

1) will only have had full scholarship limits for 3 signing periods
2) might have a new qb
3) not playing at home

just another game for me but glad you're super fired up

preferred a home and home myself but i'm guessing saban was too scared to play USC in the coliseum

since bama won't have cooper or howard or yeldon or drake or henry by then i doubt we'll score anyway

You then chimed in with similar points that seemed to play down your Tide as I had previously done with USC in a prior post. This is an example of metaphor where our exchange might be compared to being progressively lower bids back and forth such as in an auction where the low bidder is the winner. It's not that hard to see this if you are paying attention.

By the way, this game does not have me "super fired up" as you have once again incorrectly assumed, but I wish it did. What I don't get is why you have been trolling me for the past few months? I have never tailed you with all sorts of unseemly comments the way you have when I comment, and you are about 90% off the mark when you do because as in this case, your interpretations are way off.

Maybe you should just practice sitting there absorbing my comments for a while until you do get it. I'm also speaking for the 6,000 to 8,000 people that hit my threads every week hoping that I will continue posting overall 60% to 70% winning selections every season. Not that I enjoy bragging about these things (I really don't enjoy talking about them,) but just to state the obvious to you which isn't really that obvious to you after all. Apparently you have somehow inexplicably inverted your "reasonable 90%" claim and in so doing, you've done no one a favor by projecting it on others about me in a pejorative way. So please just speak for yourself. At least it's honest and not derogatory.

I really don't like making posts and threads about people here. It's counter productive and really isn't helping anyone. All anyone want's to do is beat their book. I wasn't kidding when I said you have my respect for all that you know about your conference and as a handicapper. Please don't spoil it.
 

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You then chimed in with similar points that seemed to play down your Tide as I had previously done with USC in a prior post.

mine was done sarcastically .... errr, and a month ago :think2:

stalk much?
 

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After several weeks rest (doctor's orders,)

psychiatrist, obviously

in all seriousness since there isn't a PAC 10 preseason thread up what are your expectations for USC and UCLA?

USC have to get through this final season of 65-67 scholarships (depending on injuries) but return 16/24 starters and avoid Oregon & Washington in the regular season. I have them favored in 9 games so 9-3 sounded right to me

UCLA is the wild card. I don't totally buy into the top 10 hype but I've seen expectations everywhere from outside the top 25 to earning a playoff spot. Starting the season with 5 out of 8 on the road + Oregon at home is fairly rough and the back-end of the schedule is loaded but 3 of the 4 are at home (SC, STAN, ZONA). Plenty of returning starters and one of the two best qb in conference but not sure they're top 10 material for me. Thinking 9-3 as well....
 

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Nice to see a little tongue in cheek humor from you. I was beginning to wonder.

In all seriousness, there are two games going here that I am able to comment on... one is for the conference/south championship race, the other which is AT LEAST as big from an LA point of view is the City of Los Angeles (unofficial) Title. It may not appear to count for much if anything at all but it truly is for most of the marbles in a football sense to those involved. It can have a huge impact from a recruiting standpoint as well as the local press and in the hearts and minds of LA folk. UCLA is far hungrier than anyone is willing to mention in the press and this translates to motivation on the field.

Currently the Bruins have just about all of the momentum thanks to the surprising effect that their new HC has had on the team. In Hollywood, and this is more true than many elsewhere can see, the personality of the head coach is the equivalent of having one's star on Hollywood Blvd. Think of it "like" sex appeal on the screen equals the quality of the HC's persona and with it comes love of the fans. That amounts to a team's identity and it sells. In other words, it works (in conjunction with the usual football qualities that are necessary ingredients of course.) There is no better support to be had in the game.

In LA/Hollywood, the HC's persona is a mandatory ingredient or forget about it. (By the way, that's where I was going with Ed Orgeron back when, who definitely had it in his own unique way.) Pete Carroll was kind of a Surfer Joe persona and in Southern California, that works out nicely. He made football fun and a must see weekly affair in the city of Los Angeles. (Keep in mind that there is no NFL in LA.) In Hollywood that's no small task but the man that can pull it off owns the town and with it, potentially the nation. Is Mora that good? Maybe not just yet, but he has said with no reservations about it that he wants to end his football career right where he is at UCLA. There's only one way that can happen and that is to continue on the course he's been on for what little time he's been UCLA's HC.

None of these things are judgment calls on my part. I'm just the messenger here, but so far everything I've written is accurate to the best of my ability to tell it like it is.

The point is that how a HC in LA endears himself to the locals means a lot, especially in the recruiting game. Today, Jim Mora owns that distinction and he's football smart. Sarkisian ranks a distant second place in both ways. I don't think that he will be able to sustain any momentum that he may garner in the mean time but Mora can and will. There is a chance that USC might find enough tradition to gain a few points in the prestige column over the Bruins, but I think Sarkisian lacks the "aura" to make the most of it.

Now as far as Bret Hundley is concerned, he's an unexpected ace in the hole. (So is Mora for that matter.) Much in the way Mariota is capable of taking over the Duck offense himself (it's worth watching how he personally dismantled Texas's defense in the most recent Alamo bowl) Bret Hundley can and I believe will do the same for the Bruins, but it could be that he needs another year of cooking to turn out just right.

They will be tested early at Jerry's world on Sept. 13 (a well known neutral location) in a Thursday night game vs the Longwhorns with ASU on deck for their Pac-12 opener. Then it's off to play the Utes on the road in the trap game of the year with Oregon on deck for their conference home opener. Should the Bruins remain unscathed at that point, Mora may indeed get his star on the walk of fame and then it begins.

If they lose one of the 3 big games I mentioned above, their season could still be salvaged provided that they hold service vs USC and IF Hundley can prove his worth vs Stanford to close the season at the end of November. 9-3 looks very doable but then 10-2 isn't far out of reach. 11-1 with a conference championship -- (vs Oregon after dropping their Sept. 25 game to the Ducks at the Rose Bowl?) As they say in Hollywood.... Th... Th... That's Entertainment.

USC??? Oh yeah, those guys. The best thing about the Trojans are everyone's expectations of them, especially with a depleted bench down the stretch come November. (I've basically kissed off the Devils due to lack of defense practically speaking with only 2 starters returning...) That must smart pretty bad early on when they play UCLA, USC, then Stanford and Washington it seems all in the same week with one merciful mid-span bye to prepare for an ass kicking by Stanford (hello) to close out the first half of their season.
 

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