It seems the only people who think the race was "fixed" were the few books that lost money on the race.I would advise all gamblers in the US to boycott these sportsbooks. The first time starter was 20-1 morning line and went off 11-1. Won the race. The sharp betors who cashed in took the risk of losing their money. The horse won. Many times a first time starter is tipped and the horse receives tons of $$ but loses. Why in hell was this race "fixed"...What a joke that thes so-called professionals would resort to this nonsense.These sportsbooks shold really be investigated and brought into the public eye. The only scam I see is the non paying sportsbooks. Horse racing is a betting sport. You take or place a bet with the knowledge that ANYTHING can happen.The official results determine the payoffs not some offshore crooked firm realizing someone beat them to the puch fair and square. You should be ashamed of yourselves. Who are these books and who is the management that has made these no pay decisions. Lets make it public.
Banned4Life,
The man may have an opinion. There is no need to call him a liar and try to insult him in the forums. You have every right to share your opinions and we will respect it. All we ask in return is that you do the same. Please be more considerate of the posters here.
Thank you
The man may have an opinion. There is no need to call him a liar and try to insult him in the forums. You have every right to share your opinions and we will respect it. All we ask in return is that you do the same. Please be more considerate of the posters here.
Thank you
He's claiming that the Finger Lakes race was fixed, in so many words, and sounded to me and others like he was justifying the stiff job. And, I'm entitled to my opinion just as much as anyone else. What Wild Bill posted was an insult to those players who were stiffed so if he can't take it he shouldn't go throwing around unsubstantiated bullshit like that. Hell it wasn't just an insult but an ACCUSATION OF CRIMINAL ACTIVITY.
I didn't say anything about it beyond bringing up the point that there is allegations of it and that potential for a fix is there in just about any race being run. Stop making up lies and putting words into my mouth. There was suspicious activity and it causes the public to question events, but that is true all the time. On this particular caseI didn't say books shouldn't pay, if I did please point that out to me. I can't believe the nerve of some people on here, you either support their stance on an issue 100% or else you are their enemy, give me a break. I am merely a commentator and at times will share my opinion. I am not out to insult anyone on any side of the argument. I think issues such as this are issues that the books and customers have to deal with individually and I don't pretend to think that I can personally make the books pay or not pay. Just as the opinions of famed editorialists in the national media can't personally resolve by themselves the world's crises. Commentators' jobs are to make people discuss and think about an issue, but for a small core of people here all I seem to do is create some sort of constant conspiracy theory. I never forget there are two sides to every situation, do some of you do that?
And for the 515th time or whatever it is, I have absolutely no editorial influence from above. I have NEVER been told what to write about or how to portray advertisers and non-advertisers, not by Ken, not by Marty, not by any mods. Why do you and others constantly harp on this crap anyways? If you don't believe me, ask them yourselves. You would hear that I haven't personally talked to Marty since maybe a week after he bought the place and I haven't talked to Ken in over a couple of months. That being the case, just how are they influencing me to write favorable articles?
And for the 515th time or whatever it is, I have absolutely no editorial influence from above. I have NEVER been told what to write about or how to portray advertisers and non-advertisers, not by Ken, not by Marty, not by any mods. Why do you and others constantly harp on this crap anyways? If you don't believe me, ask them yourselves. You would hear that I haven't personally talked to Marty since maybe a week after he bought the place and I haven't talked to Ken in over a couple of months. That being the case, just how are they influencing me to write favorable articles?
Drugged or not, this horse has been kicked to death, reborn and kicked to death again. I was hoping it would end, but not with a front page article. Wild Bill placed his miraculous all curing hands upon's the twice dead horse and screamed "Be Healed!" The horse again jumped to life, the kicking has begun, again. Best Wishes...OF
Drugs were said to be in the horse
Finger Lakes was the horse's course.
All I know is that this thread
just cannot be classified finally dead.
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Drugs were said to be in the horse
Finger Lakes was the horse's course.
All I know is that this thread
just cannot be classified finally dead.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> There was suspicious activity <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
THERE YOU GO AGAIN!!!
There was NO "suspicious activity" beyond a bettor winning and crybaby bookies claiming that the race was fixed. And while denying that you are accusing these bettors of such activities out of one side of your mouth you post statements like the one above out of the other. THERE WAS NO SUSPICIOUS ACTIVITY AND FOR YOU TO CONTINUE TO IMPLY THAT THERE WAS IS WRONG. Unless you think everyone should lose so that people don't think that games or races are being fixed.
THERE YOU GO AGAIN!!!
Commentators and writers should ethically at least only comment or write about topics they have a basic understanding of.
NOBODY, and I mean absolutely NOBODY, would ever organize (fix) a race to shoo in a first time starter breaking from the rail in a shortened sprint race. Too many bad things can happen under these circumstances.
NOBODY, and I mean absolutely NOBODY, would ever organize (fix) a race to shoo in a first time starter breaking from the rail in a shortened sprint race. Too many bad things can happen under these circumstances.
How can this race be fixxed. The horse was in florida training all winter running a sprint race coming out of post postion one. Gentlemen there was no FIXXXX. The race was the slowest race of the day, with the slowest fractions of the whole 9 race card. I think the derby was fixed now give me back my money, SMARTYJONES WAS DOPED. Give me a brake if you take a bet you should pay. These books had three choices call the client back and dont take the bet, lay off the bet, or keep the bet. Now pay up or get bashed and lose clients.
This race might not of been fixed but this guy had INSIDE info that the betting public didn't have! You just don't move that much money offshore on a horse that isn't suppose to win! Just for ha ha's, these books that he bets with offshore should state if his normal bets before this race are equal to his race won at Fingers!! If so thats cool if there is a big increase then RED FLAG! Remember like I was told inside info is illegal! When I stated that I had info on a Rutger game! Some asshole blurted shit out and it got back to big people and all of a sudden Rutgers wins by 50. Inside info is good to have but use it wisely!
guy had INSIDE info that the betting public didn't have!
do you think! That is how the game is played All sports gambling. If you have some insights the public does not have or understand you can win and beat the vig or track take out. And pound the off shore books.
do you think! That is how the game is played All sports gambling. If you have some insights the public does not have or understand you can win and beat the vig or track take out. And pound the off shore books.
TryTryTry,
Are you saying its OK to have inside info and bet with that info denying the public access?? Do you really think that knowing if a player isn't feeling well, or is hurt and not playing 100% and the public don't know so you wager accordingly is OK?? How bout if a jockey tells you to bet him in all his races hes running today, I'll win at least 3, is that a fix or inside info?? The public don't have this info and it is unfair! If these guys bet their money leagally the horse would've been 1/9 and pay 2.10 across the board! No fix, no special info?? COME ON!
Are you saying its OK to have inside info and bet with that info denying the public access?? Do you really think that knowing if a player isn't feeling well, or is hurt and not playing 100% and the public don't know so you wager accordingly is OK?? How bout if a jockey tells you to bet him in all his races hes running today, I'll win at least 3, is that a fix or inside info?? The public don't have this info and it is unfair! If these guys bet their money leagally the horse would've been 1/9 and pay 2.10 across the board! No fix, no special info?? COME ON!
Im new here, but I thought I could put my two cents in. Don't know if this has been mentioned here or anywhere else, but A fix in horse racing invaribly means A horse or two will lose, Its impossible to fix a race for a horse to win, the fix is when people know that a certain horse, mainly a big favorite wont win due to whatever reasons.As far as insde knowledge, every race is run with knowledge that the public dont have. The people with that knowledge use what they know and lose a great amount of the time. Thats why the race is run on the track. You never know. Glad to have found this forum!!
Appolo,
Great points but at Monticello a few years back, a driver told me to bet him on EVERy race that day! He was on 7 mounts! He won three and paid 26$, 18$, and 38$. I cleaned up in exotics and a little on win. Bottom line is if I wagered a ton of money at a small track like Monticello or Finger Lakes you would move the lines to 1/9 or so! Would you call this inside info legal or not?? Had a friend who played at Temple Football back in the early 80's, he called me and during the conversation he mentioned that his QB came down with the flu on Friday and wasn't sure if he was going to play or at least won't be 100%. So I loaded up against them and I cleaned up! Is this legal?? Saying that horse racing isn't fixed to win just to lose is a wrong statement! In trotters riders purposely box horses in to let others win. All the time! I can guarantee that if horses are held from winning that their jockeys have money somewhere on the winners of that race!!
Great points but at Monticello a few years back, a driver told me to bet him on EVERy race that day! He was on 7 mounts! He won three and paid 26$, 18$, and 38$. I cleaned up in exotics and a little on win. Bottom line is if I wagered a ton of money at a small track like Monticello or Finger Lakes you would move the lines to 1/9 or so! Would you call this inside info legal or not?? Had a friend who played at Temple Football back in the early 80's, he called me and during the conversation he mentioned that his QB came down with the flu on Friday and wasn't sure if he was going to play or at least won't be 100%. So I loaded up against them and I cleaned up! Is this legal?? Saying that horse racing isn't fixed to win just to lose is a wrong statement! In trotters riders purposely box horses in to let others win. All the time! I can guarantee that if horses are held from winning that their jockeys have money somewhere on the winners of that race!!
There is an interesting subject, I think.
Should inside information be illegal -- as it is in Stock Market, par example?
We know that some trainers feel that at least the first race "belongs to them" and that the jocks are not allowed to bet against themselves. Such attitudes and rules give impression that those in possession of unique information and an ability to influence the outcome of racing should have limited betting privileges.
Should inside information be illegal -- as it is in Stock Market, par example?
We know that some trainers feel that at least the first race "belongs to them" and that the jocks are not allowed to bet against themselves. Such attitudes and rules give impression that those in possession of unique information and an ability to influence the outcome of racing should have limited betting privileges.
