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You know your "expert" scientists you so fondly carve your following from, blindly chasing the global carbon tax world empire totalitarianist dream?

Well, apparently they are not such "experts". Oh well, you can continue to insult Willie, Russ, Dave, etc. and call everyone else stupid...because YOU listen to the real scientific community, and don't just make shit up.

Well, apparently they do...

IT'S POLITICS, NOT SCIENCE, DRIVING CLIMATE CHANGE MANIA For years, computer simulations have predicted that sea ice should be disappearing from the Poles.
Now, with the news that Antarctic sea-ice levels have hit new highs, comes yet another mishap to tarnish the credibility of climate science.
Climatologists base their doom-laden predictions of the Earth’s climate on computer simulations.

But these have long been the subject of ridicule because of their stunning failure to predict the pause in warming – nearly 18 years long on some measures – since the turn of the last century.
It’s the same with sea ice. We hear a great deal about the decline in Arctic sea ice, in line with or even ahead of predictions.
But why are environmentalists and scientists so much less keen to discuss the long-term increase in the southern hemisphere?
In fact, across the globe, there are about one million square kilometres more sea ice than 35 years ago, which is when satellite measurements began.
It’s fair to say that this has been something of an embarrassment for climate modellers. But it doesn’t stop there.
In recent days a new scandal over the integrity of temperature data has emerged, this time in America, where it has been revealed as much as 40 per cent of temperature data there are not real thermometer readings.
Many temperature stations have closed, but rather than stop recording data from these posts, the authorities have taken the remarkable step of ‘estimating’ temperatures based on the records of surrounding stations.
So vast swathes of the data are actually from ‘zombie’ stations that have long since disappeared.
This is bad enough, but it has also been discovered that the US’s National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration is using estimates even when perfectly good raw data is available to it – and that it has adjusted historical records.

Why should it do this?
Many have noted that the effect of all these changes is to produce a warmer present and a colder past, with the net result being the impression of much faster warming. They draw their conclusions accordingly.
Naturally, if the US temperature records are indeed found to have been manipulated, this is unlikely to greatly affect our overall picture of rising temperatures at the end of the last century and a standstill thereafter.
The US is, after all, only a small proportion of the globe.
Similarly, climatologists’ difficulties with the sea ice may be of little scientific significance in the greater scheme of things.
We have only a few decades of data, and in climate terms this is probably too short to demonstrate that either the Antarctic increase or the Arctic decrease is anything other than natural variability.
But the relentless focus by activist scientists on the Arctic decline does suggest a political imperative rather than a scientific one – and when put together with the story of the US temperature records, it’s hard to avoid the impression that what the public is being told is less than the unvarnished truth.
As their credulity is stretched more and more, the public will – quite rightly – treat demands for action with increasing caution…
Andrew Mountford


 

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Sea ice in the antarctic has been expanding for the past decade... this is nothing new. But the land ice is melting away and the mass of Antarctica is shrinking. Melted land ice can increase sea levels. Sea ice does not. It's simply just a frozen layer that comes and goes as the weather changes. They have done many studies as to why the sea ice is expanding despite the ocean warming and the land ice shrinking.

Already been asked and answered for years now.
 

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fratfraud ends up with egg on his face yet again. How embarrassing.

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Government Data Show U.S. in Decade-Long Cooling

The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration’s most accurate, up-to-date temperature data confirm the United States has been cooling for at least the past decade. The NOAA temperature data are driving a stake through the heart of alarmists claiming accelerating global warming.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2014/06/25/government-data-show-u-s-in-decade-long-cooling/

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Government Data Show U.S. in Decade-Long Cooling

The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration’s most accurate, up-to-date temperature data confirm the United States has been cooling for at least the past decade. The NOAA temperature data are driving a stake through the heart of alarmists claiming accelerating global warming.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2014/06/25/government-data-show-u-s-in-decade-long-cooling/

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Gas... here is the difference between how educated people get their information and how you guys get your information. You posted dailymail.com article written by an individual using mostly conjecture. Someone who does not produce any peer reviewed research on global warming, someone who did not prove that global warming doesn't exist, simply used a logical fallacy about growing sea ice levels in Antarctica. What is ironic is the people who do research and provide this information about ice levels in Antarctica are the same people telling you why and how global warming is still a big problem.

So you have your .com conjecture pieces. Here is an actual research paper in a peer reviewed journal from actual researchers using real tools to study and gather data. Not just sitting on their couches looking to tell a story to degenerates who will believe anything they read as long as it is in favor of their parties theories.

Notice how they reference over 20 peer reviewed research papers. This is how the educated world of science is done. If people had proof global warming wasn't real, they could prove it amongst other scientists. But they can't, so they are stuck publishing bull shit .com pieces, most of them are backed by the oil & gas industry and or just looking for a quick buck to be a denier. When you provide me real research and data that is accepted by scientists throughout the world, I will consider your position. Until then, you guys look really dumb thinking posting .com articles without any real academic resources backing them is proof. Sad Gas... I expect more out of you.

We use 3 years of Cryosat-2 radar altimeter data to develop the first comprehensive assessment of Antarctic ice sheet elevation change. This new data set provides near-continuous (96%) coverage of the entire continent, extending to within 215 km of the South Pole and leading to a fivefold increase in the sampling of coastal regions where the vast majority of all ice losses occur. Between 2010 and 2013, West Antarctica, East Antarctica, and the Antarctic Peninsula changed in mass by −134 ± 27, −3 ± 36, and −23 ± 18 Gt yr[SUP]−1[/SUP], respectively. In West Antarctica, signals of imbalance are present in areas that were poorly surveyed by past missions, contributing additional losses that bring altimeter observations closer to estimates based on other geodetic techniques. However, the average rate of ice thinning in West Antarctica has also continued to rise, and mass losses from this sector are now 31% greater than over the period 2005–2010.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/2014GL060111/full
 

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Your go to move when you know you are looking like an idiot, lol.

The only idiot is YOU who still believes peer review is science...just like you believe "printing money CAN create wealth" (back peddling from "printing money DOES create wealth")

"I listen to experts and scientists, not politicians or the .com blogosphere" -- AKtard

Obama Speaking the Truth about Global Warming to College Graduates

http://www.therxforum.com/showthread.php?t=992367

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The only idiot is YOU who still believes peer review is science...just like you believe "printing money CAN create wealth" (back peddling from "printing money DOES create wealth")

"I listen to experts and scientists, not politicians or the .com blogosphere"

Obama Speaking the Truth about Global Warming to College Graduates

http://www.therxforum.com/showthread.php?t=992367

@):mad: Loser!@#0

You're in pure desperation mode. Made up quotes, old threads, emoticons... poor fella. You're a grown ass man, start acting like one.
 

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Check out how this brainwashed far left retard thinks and formulates his arguments:

Gas... here is the difference between how educated people get their information and how you guys get your information. You posted dailymail.com article written by an individual using mostly conjecture. Someone who does not produce any peer reviewed research on global warming, someone who did not prove that global warming doesn't exist, simply used a logical fallacy about growing sea ice levels in Antarctica. What is ironic is the people who do research and provide this information about ice levels in Antarctica are the same people telling you why and how global warming is still a big problem.

So you have your .com conjecture pieces. Here is an actual research paper in a peer reviewed journal from actual researchers using real tools to study and gather data. Not just sitting on their couches looking to tell a story to degenerates who will believe anything they read as long as it is in favor of their parties theories.

Notice how they reference over 20 peer reviewed research papers. This is how the educated world of science is done. If people had proof global warming wasn't real, they could prove it amongst other scientists. But they can't, so they are stuck publishing bull shit .com pieces, most of them are backed by the oil & gas industry and or just looking for a quick buck to be a denier. When you provide me real research and data that is accepted by scientists throughout the world, I will consider your position. Until then, you guys look really dumb thinking posting .com articles without any real academic resources backing them is proof. Sad Gas... I expect more out of you.

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Check out how this brainwashed far left retard thinks and formulates his arguments:

I understand why you hate science, research, facts, education, etc. it doesn't support anything you believe. The fact you are so against peer reviewed research tells me all I need to know about how dumb you are.
 

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I understand why you hate science, research, facts, education, etc. it doesn't support anything you believe. The fact you are so against peer reviewed research tells me all I need to know about how dumb you are.

You are by far the dumbest, most predictable and most redundant poster this forum has ever seen.

educated people
peer reviewed research

logical fallacy
com conjecture pieces
peer reviewed journal
peer reviewed research papers
bull shit .com pieces, most of them are backed by the oil & gas industry
real academic resources

Loser!@#0
 

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You are by far the dumbest, most predictable and most redundant poster this forum has ever seen.

educated people
peer reviewed research

logical fallacy
com conjecture pieces
peer reviewed journal
peer reviewed research papers
bull shit .com pieces, most of them are backed by the oil & gas industry
real academic resources

Loser!@#0


Those are normal comments. Lol. Peer reviewed research and real academic resources are what educated people use. Conservatives use .com blogs. Not sure what you think you are proving here. Because it makes you look really dumb to be so shocked by people relying on peer reviewed research, which all science goes through. Science is not shared through .com blogs.
 

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Peer review ain't science.

:ohno:

It's a large part of the scientific community. Almost all research and new findings go through the peer review process. But, you get your science from .com blogs and never stepped foot in a collegiate classroom. So I understand your confusion.
 

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Dude, peer reviewed science and/or data is the least revered type of science that exists. It is open for bias, opinion, and quite frankly cannot be trusted.

There is a reason that the FDA does not allow medical companies to submit peer reviewed data for product approval, marketing changes, new indications, labeling changes, etc.

But, I guess in your world, peer reviewed data is allowable and acceptable and indeed "expert".

Do you think I should be trying to tell you how an oil field should be run?

Carry on.



After all, the article is suggesting the data being used by the "peer-reviewers" is bogus and falsified. So even the data you are talking about being used by the "experts" is innaccurate.
 

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Dude, peer reviewed science and/or data is the least revered type of science that exists. It is open for bias, opinion, and quite frankly cannot be trusted.

There is a reason that the FDA does not allow medical companies to submit peer reviewed data for product approval, marketing changes, new indications, labeling changes, etc.

But, I guess in your world, peer reviewed data is allowable and acceptable and indeed "expert".

Do you think I should be trying to tell you how an oil field should be run?

Carry on.

After all, the article is suggesting the data being used by the "peer-reviewers" is bogus and falsified. So even the data you are talking about being used by the "experts" is innaccurate.

Dude, first off the medical industry is a completely different beast. The government basically makes it mandatory that it goes through their "peer review" process with very strict guidelines, as you know.

Research on stuff like ice caps melting, CO2 levels, etc do not have a mandatory government agency that views and approves of the research. The research is submitted to the scientific community through scientific journals... and introduced to the world for peer review.

So comparing global warming to the medical industry is not even a fair comparison and you know that. Same thing with food, vitamins, beverages, supplements and any other good that people consume. But it's not like it's not a peer review process... it's just a government mandated peer review process.

The vast majority of scientific research goes through peer reviewed journals and a worldwide public peer reviewed process. There are some sensitive areas, such as the medical industry, food, military, etc... that has their own process to review research, but regardless science is always being reviewed and tested by peers. The articles you guys are posting aren't even people who research global warming. They are just giving their opinion backed by no scientific references, research, or peer review. It's insulting to even link to a .com article with no real references. You are better than that.
 

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