"Civil War" in Iraq?? Nooooo .... no way

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Hundreds of Shiite Muslim militiamen have deployed in recent weeks to this restive city -- widely considered the most likely flash point for an Iraqi civil war -- vowing to fight any attempt to shift control over Kirkuk to the Kurdish-governed north, according to U.S. commanders and diplomats, local police and politicians.

The Mahdi Army, led by firebrand cleric Moqtada al-Sadr, has sent at least two companies, each with about 120 fighters, according to Thomas Wise, political counselor for the U.S. Embassy's Kirkuk regional office, which has been tracking militia activity.

In a meeting here last week, Sadr's representative in the city, Abdul Karim Khalifa, told U.S. officials that more armed loyalists were on the way and that as many as 7,000 to 10,000 Shiite residents were prepared to fight alongside the Mahdi Army if called upon. Legions more Shiite militiamen would push north from Baghdad's Sadr City slum, he said, according to Wise.

"His message was essentially that any idea of Kirkuk going to the Kurds will mean a fight," Wise said. "He said that their policy here was different from in other places, that they are not going to attack coalition forces because their only enemy here is the Kurds."

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It's because of the amount of oil up there, none of which is getting out at the moment.
It's bottled up in a war zone with some bigtime tribal issues.

[Another of Docs threads that won't get a reply from our resident middle classes.]
 

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ha ha, i would LOVE to see that...

the Kurds would wipe Sadr's militiamen (er, militiaboys, since half of them are about 16 years old) off the face of this earth!

and i honestly hope they do.

Sadr is a piece of shit who recruits his "militiamen" from all the poor street kids in east baghdad...he gives them food and a roof over their head and buys their loyalty. then he gives them a gun. those kids don't know any better. most of them can barely read and write.

if they were in south-central LA, they'd all be Bloods and Crips. but they're not in LA, they're in east Baghdad, so they belong to Sadr...

i love the Kurds, they're good people. the only good people in that entire region. i know it'll never happen, but i really wish we could just give them Kirkuk and the whole northern part of the country...

the Kurds are the only honorable group in that whole region. they deserve better than to be forced to share a made-up national border with SCUM like the iraqi sunnis and shi'ites.
 

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Petrol pumps run dry in a city that stinks of oilFrom Nick Meo in Kirkuk

MOTORISTS hoping to fill their tanks in Kirkuk must join queues hundreds of cars long and prepare for a 20-hour wait before reaching the pumps. Unlike the rest of their Iraqi compatriots they suffer the additional frustration of knowing that they are sitting on one of the greatest lakes of oil on Earth.

A debilitating combination of insurgent attacks, woefully decrepit infrastructure and government incompetence means that their oil industry is effectively moribund.

Instead of booming as a new Kuwait, which the city expected on Saddam’s fall in 2003, residents endure grinding poverty.

Pumping continues from Iraq’s second-biggest oilfield, but most crude is stored in tanks, not refined into petrol.

The petroleum industry in northern Iraq is in such dire straits that almost nothing is sold overseas. With no tax revenue the Iraqi Government has no other real source of income.

Southern Iraq is doing much better. An even bigger oilfield lies close to Kuwait and insurgent attacks in the south are less of a problem.

But in Kirkuk, the city’s very lifeblood has slowed to a trickle. The ugly city north of Baghdad lies on an ethnic faultline between Kurds and Arabs and is coveted by both for the fabulous wealth that lies underground. In the flat, featureless lands outside the city, black oil bubbles up in fields and ponds.

The city stinks of oil, even though there is so little fuel to put in car tanks. Millions of dollars in natural gas are burnt off in great sheets of orange flame because there is no capacity for storing or selling it, and rusty derricks, pipelines and storage tanks built by the British in the 1940s dot the landscape. There is little sign of improvement.

Many locals are bemused. “The people of Kirkuk say we are living on a sea of oil,” said Baher Barzingi, 35, a manager with the state-owned North Oil Company. “Yet we have no petrol, no paraffin, no propane.”

Mr Barzingi, a Kurd who helps to train the 3,600-strong Oil Protection Force set up by the US Army, blames repeated insurgent attacks for crippling any hope of quickly getting the petrodollars flowing again.

“We need oil to feed our families and for the future of our country,” he said. He also blamed the Oil Ministry and the Government in Baghdad for doing little to help his company to get back on its feet.

The oldest oil workers remember the British oil companies who founded Kirkuk’s oil industry with great fondness, he said, especially when they contrast those happy times with the current chaos.

The force has lost 20 of its men to insurgent attacks, one of which in February caused $50 million in damage to a plant which will be shut for at least a year. Nobody is sure who will pay for the repairs.

Gesturing at another oil plant across from his office, with its ancient tanks, stinking pools of oil, and pipes leaking steam, Mr Barzingi admitted that his job was a dangerous one. “They fired a Katyusha rocket last week, which missed. But if it hit a propane tank we would all have been burned to death, or suffocated by the gas.”

The perimeter was guarded by Ahmad Jaf, a Kurd and former peshmerga fighter who had sewn his Oil Protection Force badge on upside-down, and complained about lack of air-conditioning in his guard hut during the summer.

Security has only recently been handed over to Iraqis by the US military. Until a few months ago an artillery unit from the 101st Airborne had been patrolling pipelines which are vulnerable to rocket- propelled grenades.

Kirkuk’s oil industry cannot get going again until insurgent attacks reduce, but the insurgency is not expected to wane until the economy and job prospects improve. Some Western companies are showing an interest in investing but the security and infrastructure problems are daunting. Doubts over the shaky political set-up may be equally problematic for companies who want to be confident about legal agreements for billion-dollar investments.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,7374-2122457.html
 
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Anyone that can come on this board or in real life and brag about Iraq needs to fill up a cup real quick with some warm piss as the drugs are truly working
 
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April 24, 2006, 10:20PM
U.S. ambassador: America is facing long stay in Iraq
Baghdad envoy says effort extends to the entire region

By BORZOU DARAGAHI
Los Angeles Times

BAGHDAD, IRAQ - The U.S. ambassador here on Monday urged war-weary Americans to dig in for the long haul: a years-long effort to transform Iraq and the surrounding region, now one of the world's major trouble spots.

"We must perhaps reluctantly accept that we have to help this region become a normal region, the way we helped Europe and Asia in another era," Ambassador Zalmay Khalilzad said in an interview. "Now it's this area from Pakistan to Morocco that we should focus on."

Khalilzad, an Afghan immigrant to the U.S. who has for years advocated an aggressive effort to bring democracy to the Muslim world, predicted the long-term American effort to "shape the future of this region" will continue regardless of which party controls the White House, how many troops remain in Iraq and what tactics and strategies are employed.

"The world has gotten smaller and is getting smaller and smaller all the time," he said in the interview. "Isolationism, fortress America isn't going to deal with these problems of the kind that we're facing. Willy-nilly, this is our destiny, given our preponderance in the world, our role in the world and because of our successes."

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/nation/3816685.html
 

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