i see b.f.`s point....i was thinking along the same lines....the only thing that scares me is that oquendo has gotten awfully tired late in his recent fights....he was fading badly against maurice harris before landing the big shot....and should have beaten tua pretty easily if his stamina didn`t fail him.....
scares me that he might run out of gas and get stopped by byrd.....even though byrd`s not a puncher,per se,punch volume(numerous clean shots) might cause a stoppage.....
i think that byrd by decision prop was around -160 at oly.....very reasonable....better than laying 5-1....
i can see hedging....just hoping that oquendo`s cardio is up to snuff.....
g.l. guys....
scares me that he might run out of gas and get stopped by byrd.....even though byrd`s not a puncher,per se,punch volume(numerous clean shots) might cause a stoppage.....
i think that byrd by decision prop was around -160 at oly.....very reasonable....better than laying 5-1....
i can see hedging....just hoping that oquendo`s cardio is up to snuff.....
g.l. guys....
whoa.....Aug 10 1:53pm Boxing - Pending to win
1. Boxing - September 20, 2003
Oquendo vs Byrd
Fres Oquendo vs Chris Byrd
Chris Byrd by Decision (-160) [pending]
i hadn`t checked back on this recently.....that sucker jumped.....glad i hit it early.....looking at a potential hedge.....don`t think it`s probable for oquendo to outpoint byrd....could he get stopped....or get lucky and stop byrd?....
something to think about....
1. Boxing - September 20, 2003
Oquendo vs Byrd
Fres Oquendo vs Chris Byrd
Chris Byrd by Decision (-160) [pending]
i hadn`t checked back on this recently.....that sucker jumped.....glad i hit it early.....looking at a potential hedge.....don`t think it`s probable for oquendo to outpoint byrd....could he get stopped....or get lucky and stop byrd?....
something to think about....
Based on the information at boxrec, Byrd has a 74" reach while Oquendo has an 80" reach. That should help to offset many of the advantages Byrd has as a slick southpaw. Maybe he can keep Byrd at bay for much of the fight.
In reference to Oquendo possibly tiring over the 12 rounds:
That is possible for both guys. Byrd is not exactly Mr. Olympian type material. I believe Oquendo tired as he did in the Tua fight due to a major adrenaline rush. Who wouldn't experience this while in the ring against David Tua. His adrenaline was high coupled with the fact that Oquendo had to jab non-stop every round to keep Tua at a distance.
Now, when Oquendo fought Mo Harris it was Harris who eventually tired and got KO'd in the 10th round.
So I believe that Oquendo should be able to go the distance in this one. He should be hungry enough because he stands to become the IBF heavyweight champion of the world if victorious. And should he win, he will attract large paydays as I am sure everyone will get in line to fight him. He has all the incentive in the world to be in his best shape.
I still don't think he will win. I am just making a case for the distance.
In reference to Oquendo possibly tiring over the 12 rounds:
That is possible for both guys. Byrd is not exactly Mr. Olympian type material. I believe Oquendo tired as he did in the Tua fight due to a major adrenaline rush. Who wouldn't experience this while in the ring against David Tua. His adrenaline was high coupled with the fact that Oquendo had to jab non-stop every round to keep Tua at a distance.
Now, when Oquendo fought Mo Harris it was Harris who eventually tired and got KO'd in the 10th round.
So I believe that Oquendo should be able to go the distance in this one. He should be hungry enough because he stands to become the IBF heavyweight champion of the world if victorious. And should he win, he will attract large paydays as I am sure everyone will get in line to fight him. He has all the incentive in the world to be in his best shape.
I still don't think he will win. I am just making a case for the distance.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sphincter:
you must not have watched the oquendo-harris fight....oquendo was very fortunate that he landed the big shot....he was very,very tired....<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I never said that he did not get tired. I was just implying that Harris became more tired than Oquendo. I do recall Harris dropping his guard in the late rounds and being caught with a shot that put him in a defensive mode leading to Oquendo's rabbit punch and KO.
you must not have watched the oquendo-harris fight....oquendo was very fortunate that he landed the big shot....he was very,very tired....<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I never said that he did not get tired. I was just implying that Harris became more tired than Oquendo. I do recall Harris dropping his guard in the late rounds and being caught with a shot that put him in a defensive mode leading to Oquendo's rabbit punch and KO.
Check out some of these odds www.Bet365.com has for the Byrd vs. Oquendo fight. They've got the DRAW at +3300.
FUKKEN awsome value!!! And their Round by Round props ROCK!!!
Chris Byrd vs Fres Oquendo
Add Chris Byrd to win in rounds 1 - 3 +1300
Add Chris Byrd to win in rounds 4 - 6 +1000
Add Chris Byrd to win in rounds 7 - 9 +800
Add Chris Byrd to win in rounds 10 - 12 +800
Chris Byrd by Decision or Tech Decision -200
Fres Oquendo to win in rounds 1 - 3 +1700
Add Fres Oquendo to win in rounds 4 - 6 +1400
Add Fres Oquendo to win in rounds 7 - 9 +1000
Add Fres Oquendo to win in rounds 10 -12 +1000
Fres Oquendo by Decision or Tech Decision+700
Draw or Technical Draw +3300
Chris Byrd vs Fres Oquendo
Add Chris Byrd to win in rounds 1 - 3 +1300
Add Chris Byrd to win in rounds 4 - 6 +1000
Add Chris Byrd to win in rounds 7 - 9 +800
Add Chris Byrd to win in rounds 10 - 12 +800
Chris Byrd by Decision or Tech Decision -200
Fres Oquendo to win in rounds 1 - 3 +1700
Add Fres Oquendo to win in rounds 4 - 6 +1400
Add Fres Oquendo to win in rounds 7 - 9 +1000
Add Fres Oquendo to win in rounds 10 -12 +1000
Fres Oquendo by Decision or Tech Decision+700
Draw or Technical Draw +3300
I can't stress enough that if you want to be successful betting on boxing, DO NOT RELY ON BOUTS CONSIDERED TO BE HIGH PROFILE.
In this fight, you had Fres Oquendo, who has somewhat of a reputation for being a dirty fighter, who had climbed the rankings fighting B level fighters (Etienne and Harris to name a few), and who did not seem to be anywhere near the caliber of a fighter as Byrd entering the fight.
On the other hand, you have the highly touted Chris Byrd, who has been in there with the some of the best in the division ( both Klitschkos, Ibeabuchi, and Holyfield to name a few), who holds the IBF Heavyweight title, and who is known best for his slick style of boxing which has baffled opponents into defeat. This all made Byrd a huge betting favorite coming into this fight.
Historically, bad decisions have been rendered when such disparities exist between the profiles of the fighters.
I am not saying that it is right, but this has been the history in many cases.
I did not lean towards either fighter to win because I knew that Oquendo was dangerous. He did surprise me with his ability to outland Byrd in the bout.
But the moral of the story is: If the seemingly much lesser opponent allows the fight to go to the scorecards and does not totally dominate throughout the fight, there is a great chance that he may get robbed. Especially when a title is at stake.
My tip to anyone who likes to bet on boxing and win consistently is to look for mismatches. Look for matchups where one guy has power and better boxing skills than his opponent. You will provide yourself with a greater than 50% chance of winning this way. I know it is easier said than done, but it is the way to win in my opinion.
In addition, always take advantage of propositions when they become available. They usually surface for the title fights or high profile fights. This is one way to avoid becoming a victim of the politics in boxing. If you have a really good feeling that someone will not be KO'd, then bet on it. The scorecards will have no bearing whatsoever on this type of wager. Fight Goes The Distance hedged with Byrd by KO, in essence was Not Oquendo by KO.
In this fight, you had Fres Oquendo, who has somewhat of a reputation for being a dirty fighter, who had climbed the rankings fighting B level fighters (Etienne and Harris to name a few), and who did not seem to be anywhere near the caliber of a fighter as Byrd entering the fight.
On the other hand, you have the highly touted Chris Byrd, who has been in there with the some of the best in the division ( both Klitschkos, Ibeabuchi, and Holyfield to name a few), who holds the IBF Heavyweight title, and who is known best for his slick style of boxing which has baffled opponents into defeat. This all made Byrd a huge betting favorite coming into this fight.
Historically, bad decisions have been rendered when such disparities exist between the profiles of the fighters.
I am not saying that it is right, but this has been the history in many cases.
I did not lean towards either fighter to win because I knew that Oquendo was dangerous. He did surprise me with his ability to outland Byrd in the bout.
But the moral of the story is: If the seemingly much lesser opponent allows the fight to go to the scorecards and does not totally dominate throughout the fight, there is a great chance that he may get robbed. Especially when a title is at stake.
My tip to anyone who likes to bet on boxing and win consistently is to look for mismatches. Look for matchups where one guy has power and better boxing skills than his opponent. You will provide yourself with a greater than 50% chance of winning this way. I know it is easier said than done, but it is the way to win in my opinion.
In addition, always take advantage of propositions when they become available. They usually surface for the title fights or high profile fights. This is one way to avoid becoming a victim of the politics in boxing. If you have a really good feeling that someone will not be KO'd, then bet on it. The scorecards will have no bearing whatsoever on this type of wager. Fight Goes The Distance hedged with Byrd by KO, in essence was Not Oquendo by KO.
