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Cheney may be called in CIA leak case
By TONI LOCY, Associated Press Writer 1 minute ago

WASHINGTON - Vice President Dick Cheney could be called to testify in the perjury case against his former chief of staff, a special prosecutor said in a court filing Wednesday.

Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald suggested Cheney would be a logical government witness because he could authenticate notes he jotted on a July 6, 2003, New York Times opinion piece by a former U.S. ambassador critical of the Iraq war.

Fitzgerald said Cheney's "state of mind" is "directly relevant" to whether I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, the vice president's former top aide, lied to FBI agents and a federal grand jury about how he learned about CIA officer Valerie Plame's identity and what he subsequently told reporters.

Libby "shared the interests of his superior and was subject to his direction," the prosecutor wrote. "Therefore, the state of mind of the vice president as communicated to (the) defendant is directly relevant to the issue of whether (the) defendant knowingly made false statements to federal agents and the grand jury regarding when and how he learned about (Plame's) employment and what he said to reporters regarding this issue."

In the Times article, former U.S. Ambassador Joseph Wilson accused the Bush administration of twisting intelligence on Iraq to justify going to war. In 2002, the CIA sent Wilson to Niger to determine whether Iraq tried to buy uranium yellowcake from Niger to build a nuclear weapon. Wilson discounted the reports. But the allegation wound up in President Bush's 2003 State of the Union address.

Cheney wrote on the article, "Have they done this sort of thing before? Send an ambassador to answer a question? Do we ordinarily send people out pro bono to work for us? Or did his wife send him on a junket?"

Libby told the agents and the grand jury that he believed he had learned from reporters that Plame is married to Wilson and had forgotten that Cheney had told him that in the weeks before Wilson's article was published.

In his grand jury testimony, Libby said Cheney was so upset about Wilson's allegations that they discussed them daily after the article appeared. "He was very keen to get the truth out," Libby testified, quoting Cheney as saying, "Let's get everything out."

Cheney viewed Wilson's allegations as a personal attack because the article suggested that the vice president knew that Wilson had discounted old reports that Iraq had tried to buy uranium yellowcake from Niger to build a nuclear weapon.

Eight days after Wilson's article, conservative syndicated columnist Robert Novak identified Plame and suggested that she had played a role in the CIA's decision to send Wilson to Niger.

Fitzgerald contends that Plame's status as a CIA officer was classified and that Libby was told that disclosing her identity could pose a danger.

The prosecutor wants to use Cheney's notes on the Wilson article to corroborate other evidence he has that Libby lied about outing Plame to reporters.

In a filing last week, Libby's lawyers said Fitzgerald would not call Cheney as a witness and would have a hard time getting the vice president's notes admitted into evidence.

"Contrary to defendant's assertion, the government has not represented that it does not intend to call the vice president as a witness at trial," Fitzgerald wrote. "To the best of government's counsel's recollection, the government has not commented on whether it intends to call the vice president as a witness."

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Fitz is scared shitless he is going to lose the libby case as it is.
he's gotten caught up more in the perception than in reality more than anybody...LMAO.
 

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Fitz is scared shitless he is going to lose the libby case as it is.
he's gotten caught up more in the perception than in reality more than anybody...LMAO.

i'll go out on a limb here, and say libby is guilty of perjury.
 

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Pat Patriot said:
Fitz is scared shitless he is going to lose the libby case as it is.
he's gotten caught up more in the perception than in reality more than anybody...LMAO.

Yes, the guy that went after the mob is "scared shitless". :realtongu

I think if Cheney shot someone in the face you probably still wouldn't believe it.....
 

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Yes, the guy that went after the mob is "scared shitless". :realtongu

I think if Cheney shot someone in the face you probably still wouldn't believe it.....<!-- / message -->
He scared shitless he going to look like fool to doing a chase to this non-story, non- crime. ....Now he going to try to convince a judge and jury on notes scribbled on a paper?
Theres no there there and never was.
 

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He scared shitless he going to look like fool to doing a chase to this non-story, non- crime. ....Now he going to try to convince a judge and jury on notes scribbled on a paper?
Theres no there there and never was.

you don't think libby commited perjury ?
 

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GB... thats the charge.
But the whole investigation was wether or not a super duper secret spy was intentionally outed...This has been going on for 2 years with 1 indictment for perjury thats basically unrleated to the non crime.
Fitz won't say Plame was.
Plame wasn't who the press claimed she was for openers and you have to show intent....he can't and he is reaching.
 

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GB... thats the charge.
But the whole investigation was wether or not a super duper secret spy was intentionally outed...This has been going on for 2 years with 1 indictment for perjury thats basically unrleated to the non crime.
Fitz won't say Plame was.
Plame wasn't who the press claimed she was for openers and you have to show intent....he can't and he is reaching.

thats all well and nice, but do you think libby commited perjury ?
 

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Pat Patriot said:
GB... thats the charge.
But the whole investigation was wether or not a super duper secret spy was intentionally outed...This has been going on for 2 years with 1 indictment for perjury thats basically unrleated to the non crime.
Fitz won't say Plame was.
Plame wasn't who the press claimed she was for openers and you have to show intent....he can't and he is reaching.

Pat...I can't help but wonder what your stance would be on this if it occurred under Clinton's watch, and it was Al Gore's top man on the chopping block...

This administration may be one of the dirtiest in history. There are more greased palms eminating from the White House than from all the oil rigs in the world combined...Ken Lay being one.
 

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Pat...I can't help but wonder what your stance would be on this if it occurred under Clinton's watch, and it was Al Gore's top man on the chopping block...
Wc what pisses me off about this,is that the press takes off on this like they really give a fuck about leaks.
I'm not into sticking up for the "Bush crew" in as much as I'd like to see the press get it stuck up there ass and look like fools that they are.
I mean look I know people that never heard of the Sandy Berger thefts.Yet the world is falling on this non story.

GB...Yes. probably..the rlevence and extent I have huge question with and so dosen't Bob "watergate" Woodward of the Was.Post.
 

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Wc what pisses me off about this,is that the press takes off on this like they really give a fuck about leaks.
I'm not into sticking up for the "Bush crew" in as much as I'd like to see the press get it stuck up there ass and look like fools that they are.
I mean look I know people that never heard of the Sandy Berger thefts.Yet the world is falling on this non story.

GB...Yes. probably..the rlevence and extent I have huge question with and so dosen't Bob "watergate" Woodward of the Was.Post.
The "press", or as I like to refer to them White House Stenographers took off after this, as you put it, because the administration used them like the rubes they are to sell bush's little war. They're is no love lost between them.
But as I say when you lay with dogs (bushco) you get fleas. They should point some outrage inward.
 

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Wc what pisses me off about this,is that the press takes off on this like they really give a fuck about leaks.
I'm not into sticking up for the "Bush crew" in as much as I'd like to see the press get it stuck up there ass and look like fools that they are.
I mean look I know people that never heard of the Sandy Berger thefts.Yet the world is falling on this non story.

GB...Yes. probably..the rlevence and extent I have huge question with and so dosen't Bob "watergate" Woodward of the Was.Post.

Pat, I'm actually surprised how much this has flown under the radar. Compared to Clinton and Whitewater...which turned into a hunt for semon on a blue dress, it seems to me this had substantially less press coverage.

I read about Kenneth Star and whoever his predecessor was about every day on the front page of the daily for about four years....I rarely see Fitz's name making headlines.
 

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The "press", or as I like to refer to them White House Stenographers took off after this, as you put it, because the administration used them like the rubes they are to sell bush's little war. They're is no love lost between them.
But as I say when you lay with dogs (bushco) you get fleas. They should point some outrage inward.

Earth to dumb ass, Earth to dumb ass: The mainstream press is LIBERAL.
 

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Pat, I'm actually surprised how much this has flown under the radar. Compared to Clinton and Whitewater...which turned into a hunt for semon on a blue dress, it seems to me this had substantially less press coverage.

I read about Kenneth Star and whoever his predecessor was about every day on the front page of the daily for about four years....I rarely see Fitz's name making headlines.<!-- / message -->
WC i'll give you that....but the Whitewater thing had people going to jail not to talk about it.hub Webbell and susan mcDougal never gave up what they new and di their time not to rat, I'd lie to say that was admrable of them not being rats but it was more they were scared for their lives.
 

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WC i'll give you that....but the Whitewater thing had people going to jail not to talk about it.hub Webbell and susan mcDougal never gave up what they new and di their time not to rat, I'd lie to say that was admrable of them not being rats but it was more they were scared for their lives.
And here in a NUTshell we have it, the Clinton mafia would have exterminated the McDougals had they confessed to things they didn't do.
Or maybe they had principles and decided to actually stand up to a run amok prosecutor and told him to stick it.
Must have gotten your daily bulletin from the Rush Limpbag fan club.
Just FYI I think his name was Web Hubbell but who gives a shit any name will do right?
Sure you don't want to trot out that rumor that he's Chelseas's real dad?
 

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GB... thats the charge.
But the whole investigation was wether or not a super duper secret spy was intentionally outed...This has been going on for 2 years with 1 indictment for perjury thats basically unrleated to the non crime.
Fitz won't say Plame was.
Plame wasn't who the press claimed she was for openers and you have to show intent....he can't and he is reaching.

And? I mean, Clinton's charge wasn't getting a hummer at the office, it was perjury of same. Same thing for Libby.

So as gopher asks, do you think Libby committed perjury?

Cheney's testimony will be applied to demonstrate (or defend) Libby's state of mind. Will Libby fall on the sword for Cheney? That's the big question. Because even if you concede that Plame's outing wasn't illegal, that questionable intelligence was declassified specifically to contradict what Wilson claimed - a political dirty trick if ever there was one - is going to make a damn fine headline substitute.
 

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And? I mean, Clinton's charge wasn't getting a hummer at the office, it was perjury of same. Same thing for Libby.

So as gopher asks, do you think Libby committed perjury?
Puhleeze... apples and coconuts again.

Do I think Libby commited perjury?...I'll pick C, most likley,as opposed to D definatley,using that scale.

From what I vaguley understand Libby lied or forgot or couldn't recollect timelines or gave one timeline as opposed to another.
...now I remember seeing a Rob Woodward interview where he practically rolling his eyes on this,and saying Tim Russert and other reporters cannot show any consistency in their who,what,when,where and whys either.
So the importance of this "perjury" as it relates to a non crime is certainley curious.

Now I might be wrong but its what I recall....I didn't perjure myself.
 

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Cheney's testimony will be applied to demonstrate (or defend) Libby's state of mind. Will Libby fall on the sword for Cheney? That's the big question. Because even if you concede that Plame's outing wasn't illegal, that questionable intelligence was declassified specifically to contradict what Wilson claimed - a political dirty trick if ever there was one - is going to make a damn fine headline substitute.

The "dirty trick" you are talking about was permission for Libby to leak information that was going to be made public in a couple of days. Why isn't this in the "Who gives a shit" catagory?

If you were so concerned about classified material being released, how about condemning Wilson for writing falsehoods that could only be answered by a release of this material?
 

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And? I mean, Clinton's charge wasn't getting a hummer at the office, it was perjury of same. Same thing for Libby.

So as gopher asks, do you think Libby committed perjury?

Cheney's testimony will be applied to demonstrate (or defend) Libby's state of mind. Will Libby fall on the sword for Cheney? That's the big question. Because even if you concede that Plame's outing wasn't illegal, that questionable intelligence was declassified specifically to contradict what Wilson claimed - a political dirty trick if ever there was one - is going to make a damn fine headline substitute.

Lying about getting the hummer dear was his crime.
DNA = Slam dunk.

Wheres the Libby,Cheney,Rove blue dress?
 

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