Canada's once-proud public health system in crisis

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OTTAWA, Sept 14 (Reuters) - Canada often boasts its universal health care program shows it is more caring than the United States, but the system is creaking alarmingly, with long wait lists for treatment, and shortages of cash and doctors.

And far from criticizing the United States, some people are choosing to go south of the border to pay for operations in private hospitals -- institutions that are forbidden in Canada by the law that set up the publicly funded system.

Politicians, experts and professionals generally agree that the medicare system needs major reforms, but the program's cherished status as an icon of Canadian identity means big changes are politically risky.

"Few would dispute the prevailing reality of our time: people in this country are increasingly anxious about their ability to get in to see the right health professional at the right time," Prime Minister Paul Martin said on Monday.

"Meanwhile, financial pressures are increasing as our population ages, as medical knowledge...expands, and as beneficial but expensive new treatments become available," he told a top-level meeting designed to rescue medicare.

Martin, joined at the table by the premiers of Canada's 10 provinces, faces a hornet's nest of problems as he tries to fix the health system. Medicare is jointly funded by the federal and provincial governments but run solely by the latter, an arrangement that causes plenty of rancor.

Medicare eats up C$85 billion ($66 billion) a year in public funds alone and the provinces continually demand more money, with no strings attached. Ottawa says it is prepared to contribute more but insists the provinces agree to benchmarks to ensure the funds are being spent properly.

As the politicians bicker, Canadians spend more time waiting in line. A study by the right-wing Fraser Institute this month said that average waiting time for treatment in 2003 rose to 17.7 weeks from 16.5 weeks in 2002.

"This grim portrait is the legacy of a medical system offering low expectations cloaked in lofty rhetoric," the study said, criticizing the fact that governments and not doctors are responsible for allocating resources.

Some delays are much longer. Patients in Ontario who require major knee surgery can wait six months to see a specialist and then another 18 months for surgery.

"When I started work 30 years ago it took three weeks to get a patient into a specialist's office. Now it can take six months. There is a lot of inhumanity built into the system," one unhappy family doctor told Reuters.

Statistics Canada said in June that some 3.6 million Canadians, or 15 percent of the population, did not have a regular doctor last year. This means hospital emergency rooms are flooded by people with routine problems.

Experts say the shortage of doctors will only get worse as an increasingly elderly physician population starts to retire over the next decade. And as medical expertise becomes ever more sophisticated, so will the demand and the expense.

"There will be new treatments which don't exist today that will exist 10 years from now and we'll have to address those wait times," New Brunswick Premier Bernard Lord told the meeting on Tuesday.

Some provincial premiers -- notably Ralph Klein of Alberta -- say one obvious solution is to increase the use of private clinics and hospitals, where people would pay for treatment.

Ottawa has in the past withheld health care funds to provinces experimenting with for-profit clinics and new federal Health Minister Ujjal Dosanjh took up his job in July with a vow to "stem the tide" of privatization.
 

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We need to de-centralise the management of this system .. when Ontario Premier Mike Harris (Conservative, 90's) was in power, he made some serious cuts to the system, which forced hospitals and doctors to improve efficiency - obviously good. But what has never been addressed here is the real causes behind the doctor shortage, namely the Physician's Association who dictate how many doctors can enter the system each year. Their numbers aren't based on supply/demand, but on some pre-determined formula that doesn't waiver. This organisation needs to be accountable if this decision is theirs alone.

We don't suffer from a lack of quality care, but a lack of personnel. But, in typical form, the 3-day summit on health this week left the premiers asking for more money with no accountability, and the feds saying no. So, another summit, with nothing accomplished, and the problems are staring them in the face.

(As an FYI, I've never had an issue with wait times. I had an MRI earlier this year and waited about ten days or so.)
 

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Forgot to add: there are hundreds of internationally trained doctors in this country whose degrees and experience are not recognised or properly assessed in this country. I don't know if it's elitism or protectionism, but whatever it is, it's completely retarded.

My best friend just hired a guy to work a warehouse job who was a doctor in Tehran for eight years. It will probably take him two years to get through our system and be cleared to practice medicine here.

Retarded.
 

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X, how well paid are the doctors in Canada? Can doctors "opt out" of the system and run their own practice accepting patients that want to pay out of their own pockets?
 

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Bear with me as I have rather limited knowledge of this, but ...

I believe doctors are paid by the appointment or patient, as opposed to a simple salary. What that amount is depends entirely on the type of medicine they practice. Obviously a neurosurgeon makes more per patient than a pediatrician. The exact amount, I have no clue.

As for non-public practice, yes, but to a point. It is illegal for a doctor to charge for services available in the public system (this is to prevent a two-tiered system, in which, ultimately, the best doctors would not be available for the average joe.) However, a doctor can set up a practice out of the public stream that offers things not covered by the system. Plastic surgeons and alternative medicine types come to mind. (Unlike in the US military, boob jobs are not free here. Dammit.)

Doctors used to be able to 'extra-bill' as they called it back then. It was then outlawed in Ontario (I don't know about the other provinces.) I was quite young, but I remember my father, the Conservative, bitching about that. Again, the move is designed to prevent the two-tiered problem.

For every 19 doctors that go to the US to make more money (can't really blame them there) only 1 comes to Canada to practice. Now, I don't advocate a system where doctors make half a million bucks a year, but perhaps we do have a wage crisis? I know ALOT of people who work at the hospital in my neighbourhood, all doing joe-jobs like maintenance or whatever, and they make ridiculous amounts of money. And they're the first ones to cry foul when someone talks about cutting their vacation time down to six weeks, or bringing wages to within 50% of the market average of their jobs. People in laundry make an average of $23/hr plus benefits, plus all kinds of time off, stress leave, blah blah. Unions drive me mental. This could be one of the bigger underlying problems preventing the allocation of funds to doctors and nurses, where they're needed most.

The fact that we could better retain doctors if the US were to socialise its healthcare is not lost on me. The brain drain really sucks for us.
 

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Thanks X...gotta love those public sector unions. We'll throw you some doctors if you'll also take some trial lawyers; it might help both of us out.
 

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Malpractice suits are strictly forbidden here. If you have a complaint about a doctor, you go to a board who hears your case. I guess the rationale is that anything you might need done because a doctor fucked up is already covered by the system.

I was misdiagnosed with Hodgkins' lymphoma about eight years ago -- had a single radiation dose and the whole bit. Did my own research and found out that my diagnosis made no sense. I complained about the doctor and he was suspended. The whole process took about two months, which is pretty good, I think, considering the bureaucracy usually involved.

I think you are the only Republican I can take seriously anymore, by the way. Your candor and open-mindedness are appreciated.
 

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