Can someone legitimately tell me Internet Poker is realistic??

[CharlieHustle1]

Regardless of the site:

-Why does the better pre-flop hand lose 70% of the time?
-Why are there so many times that a person with a 10% or less chance ends up sucking out a win?
-Why do straight and flush draws continously hit over 50% of the time?
-Only a few questions to think about (feel free to post more Q's if you have any)

And don't state the usual response that there are more hands dealt per hour or whatever that you hear constantly.

Basically I want to know why the odds and probabilities are not the same as Casino or Real Games have??


If you agree or disagree please give your input on why?

 

[CharlieHustle1]

Some have stated that these unrealistic probabilities increase the $ circulation throughout the site which in turn increase the amount of rake the site brings in. More or less it helps distribute the money circulation more evenly, therefore money stays on site and increase the games/rakes...

I find this very interesting and a legitimate response?

Anything else????

 

[theDude24]

must suck to lose money online... b/c if you won you would not be posting...

is there more suckouts? yes because you have worse players and you see more hands.


live poker people play differently, don't want to make stupid calls.. but it is done all the time online

I get bored sometimes and go to low stakes and play like an idiot to blow off steam, then people rant about how it is rigged...

you have to remember you are never as big of a favorite as it seems....

 

[timotinbowen]

Stats please. Including all-in EV graph.

 

[Huckel]

ive played a few sites usually also have early success followed by an onslaught of suckouts bad beats etc but the middle to higher limits im conviced theres some collusion to many stories of employees and hacks able to see hands stuff like that. I gave it up after my first year prob lost 200 overall of so since i never cashed in big but when i got up i would play the higher limits.

tournement's are the worst though

 

[ProPokerPlayer]

Looking at it from the outside...2 of the 4 major rooms have ADMITTED cheating players of millions. And lets not forget the evidence had to be uncovered by players themselves and still the companies denied it till the last possible second to do so, faced no sanctions or penalties and are still operating today having never missed 1 hand due to the scandal.....
But this was blatant stealing, taking money right off the table....If a site was to say be "tweaking" the deck a little here and there it would be IMPOSSIBLE to be caught.

So while there is NO factual evidence that the sites dont cheat there IS FACTUAL EVIDENCE they have in the past...

 

[PO69]

If flushes are hitting over 50% of the time, then you need to start chasing the flushes as well

 

[terps1313]

Without stats to back up your ridiculous numbers, this thread is useless.

 

[bookieskatrina]

Ask yourself this question. In this day and era of unscrupulous behavior and complete disregard for fellow man we have an unregulated market of gamblers and people who understand gamblers and the way they think. Take that and the ability to hire a 30k a year new graduate to write the simpliest of code that will go virtually unseen and you have the absolute perfect business. And oh by the way these idiots come up there own reasons as to why they lost. Here are a few:

1. You see more hands therefore more suck outs
2. Why would they scam you when they are making so much money on the rake anyway. (My favorite)
3. Oh well, thats poker.

Trust me, very simple to write the software. Very simple to get away with it and these idiots will back it up all day long.

It is rigged!!!!!! You are either playing a bot, playing against a group, playing against one person with multiple names or just flat out getting played by the software.

Go to your local poker room and have some fun. Stay off the sites because sooner or later you will lose all your money and be amongst the idiots asking if online poker is rigged. Of course it is and anyone telling you different is probably doing the rigging or been brainwashed by the "they make so much money already why would they need to rig it" theory.

 

[focus]

Ask yourself this question. In this day and era of unscrupulous behavior and complete disregard for fellow man we have an unregulated market of gamblers and people who understand gamblers and the way they think. Take that and the ability to hire a 30k a year new graduate to write the simpliest of code that will go virtually unseen and you have the absolute perfect business. And oh by the way these idiots come up there own reasons as to why they lost. Here are a few:

1. You see more hands therefore more suck outs
2. Why would they scam you when they are making so much money on the rake anyway. (My favorite)
3. Oh well, thats poker.

Trust me, very simple to write the software. Very simple to get away with it and these idiots will back it up all day long.

It is rigged!!!!!! You are either playing a bot, playing against a group, playing against one person with multiple names or just flat out getting played by the software.

Go to your local poker room and have some fun. Stay off the sites because sooner or later you will lose all your money and be amongst the idiots asking if online poker is rigged. Of course it is and anyone telling you different is probably doing the rigging or been brainwashed by the "they make so much money already why would they need to rig it" theory.

AY men 100% RIGHT ON, i HAVE PLAYED FOR OVER THREE YEARS AND YOU WILL LOSE , NO MATTER HOW GOOD YOU THINK YOU ARE

 

[pocketrockets]

you have your point there... I also think that, specially in huge pokerrooms (PS/FT/AP/UB) the servers are so overloaded that the random number generator just gets fucked up!

im not defending them, but i dont get as much atrocious bad beats playing in carbon or mansion poker.... are that more honest or legit? i dont think so... do their servers have more free space and are less saturated

 

[CharlieHustle1]

I'm sorry I do not have official stats from online poker sites or a long history of "past hands" that I am willing to go through just to post in a forum.
- I figured the "majority" of people that have played online just knew these things. Of course there are terrible players that will lose regardless but they have enough money and time to sit in there on house and play poker online. There are also people who have legitimately made money online (majority of these through "guaranteed $" and "satelite tourneys") but nonetheless....
- These #s,%s, and stats may not be exact to the percentile but yet they are facts wether you admit it or not.

-And there have in fact been people to admit to beating the online software system, and scams numerous times.

 

[theDude24]

so what about the group of 6 friends that I played with during college and we collectively made about 130,000 dollars

a lot? no - not split up over a few years and between 6 guys..... but so were we on the right side of the code?

Did we get sucked out less than others becuase the guy who wrote the software liked our name?

People that bitch are losing players and blame it solely on things being rigged.

If you want to think these people are rigging stuff for your poor ass 100 dollar deposits, than so be it.

if so - don't play, ever again. I am sure I will miss your money though.


So the last 4 times I went to the casino i lost:

$400 pot with KK to AQ allin preflop

QQ to 9-4 on a 9 high flop

QJ to A-9 on a A-K-10 flop (ran a boat)

and AA to JJ all in preflop

online poker is clearly rigger - dealer was hired for 30K to make pots bigger. standard

 

[theDude24]

live poker is rigged imo

i watch those vegas shoes, guys manipulate cards

 

[miamiboy86]

i lost a considerable amount of money playing online poker, and while at times I thought it was rigged, it was really me over-estimating my ability + poor money management +some donkey moves by opposing players = GG me....

that said, I have 2 very good friends, one of whom is up over 250,000 when combining cash game profits, tourney scores (had 3 scores of over 30k), and sit and go over just under 3 years....the other is up over 100,000 within the past year from tourneys and sit and go....they have great reading ability, get into the other players heads, have VERY good money management, and get BOMBARDED by terrible plays by donkeys that suck out on them, yet 99.99% remain level-headed and don't chase...thats why they win

 

[miamiboy86]

Also, to avoid getting colluded against...play heads up or in small sit and gos....6 or fewer....your opponents will have less of a chance to get together...both of the players I mentioned above will play both cash games and sit and go's heads up....they feel they have the biggest advantage there (other way is to play in huge tourneys, where collusion is almost impossible...but if your not in the top 1%, you can go literally years without hitting a big score playing great poker)

 

[CharlieHustle1]

so what about the group of 6 friends that i played with during college and we collectively made about 130,000 dollars

a lot? No - not split up over a few years and between 6 guys..... But so were we on the right side of the code?

Did we get sucked out less than others becuase the guy who wrote the software liked our name?

People that bitch are losing players and blame it solely on things being rigged.

If you want to think these people are rigging stuff for your poor ass 100 dollar deposits, than so be it.

If so - don't play, ever again. I am sure i will miss your money though.


So the last 4 times i went to the casino i lost:

$400 pot with kk to aq allin preflop

qq to 9-4 on a 9 high flop

qj to a-9 on a a-k-10 flop (ran a boat)

and aa to jj all in preflop

online poker is clearly rigger - dealer was hired for 30k to make pots bigger. Standard

your opinion is appreciated...

 

[CharlieHustle1]

so what about the group of 6 friends that I played with during college and we collectively made about 130,000 dollars

a lot? no - not split up over a few years and between 6 guys..... but so were we on the right side of the code?

Did we get sucked out less than others becuase the guy who wrote the software liked our name?

People that bitch are losing players and blame it solely on things being rigged.

If you want to think these people are rigging stuff for your poor ass 100 dollar deposits, than so be it.

if so - don't play, ever again. I am sure I will miss your money though.


So the last 4 times I went to the casino i lost:

$400 pot with KK to AQ allin preflop

QQ to 9-4 on a 9 high flop

QJ to A-9 on a A-K-10 flop (ran a boat)

and AA to JJ all in preflop

online poker is clearly rigger - dealer was hired for 30K to make pots bigger. standard

So which online site is your favorite and what's your name, just so I will know in case I run into you...

 

[Illini]

so what about the group of 6 friends that I played with during college and we collectively made about 130,000 dollars

a lot? no - not split up over a few years and between 6 guys..... but so were we on the right side of the code?

Did we get sucked out less than others becuase the guy who wrote the software liked our name?

People that bitch are losing players and blame it solely on things being rigged.

If you want to think these people are rigging stuff for your poor ass 100 dollar deposits, than so be it.

if so - don't play, ever again. I am sure I will miss your money though.


So the last 4 times I went to the casino i lost:

$400 pot with KK to AQ allin preflop

QQ to 9-4 on a 9 high flop

QJ to A-9 on a A-K-10 flop (ran a boat)

and AA to JJ all in preflop

online poker is clearly rigger - dealer was hired for 30K to make pots bigger. standard

You colluded with six friends, and you're calling other people losers?

 

[Illini]

live poker is rigged imo

i watch those vegas shoes, guys manipulate cards

There is definitely collusion at live tables in Vegas. I know that for a fact.