Afghanistan wasn't about money. 1991 did not see the US stealing the oil. The result of a democracy is up to the people, exactly what they do - to the extent that a freer economy results benefits the people, but that is not the raison d'etre for the war. If it was, we'd just invade France, allowing them to surrender a month in advance to avoid any unpleasantness, and we'd sell off their land for vacation chateaus, because they're a hell of a lot less dangerous (except to themselves) than the Iraqis. It's also going to cost us a helluva lot in the short and mid-term, though hopefully the cost will be alleviated by some Iraqi oil in rebuilding that country. Free trade is a natural consequence of democracy, though of course tariffs and trade restrictions can cripple it.
your minds made up. seems we could have taken over the oil field in 1991, it only took 2 or 3 days to get 500.
"Walter Williams is my hero" outandup 2002
"Walter Williams is my hero" outandup 2002
in the bigger picture,is anyone convinced the iraqi people and the country as a whole,will not be much better off with saddam hussein removed?......
an interesting side note...it is being reported by al jezeera that the bush administration is looking to replace saddam with president abel pacheco of costa rica......one member of the iraqi republican guard,when told of bush`s plan, was quoted as saying,"who the f-ck is that?
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an interesting side note...it is being reported by al jezeera that the bush administration is looking to replace saddam with president abel pacheco of costa rica......one member of the iraqi republican guard,when told of bush`s plan, was quoted as saying,"who the f-ck is that?
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frickin` bump.....
....i`m breakin` myself up....
Free trade is a natural consequence of democracy
Tell that to the Zapatistas and Subcomandante Marcos in chiapas and they'd laugh you off their land.
As we know it, free trade is the antithesis of democracy; it is anti-democratic. It is the result of groups or people wanting to make profit off of a democratic system and/or assert their individual will over the leveling that takes place in a democracy.
Tell that to the Zapatistas and Subcomandante Marcos in chiapas and they'd laugh you off their land.
As we know it, free trade is the antithesis of democracy; it is anti-democratic. It is the result of groups or people wanting to make profit off of a democratic system and/or assert their individual will over the leveling that takes place in a democracy.
radio......that is nothing but propagandist double talk...who`d that come from?....lenin?
Not from Lenin.
propaganda is this:
Free trade is a natural consequence of democracy
doubletalk? This is not even close to doubletalk. If anything, it is nothing but the truth. Democracy is dangerous because it ignores the natural distinctions among individuals/groups. Without free trade in a democratic society, said society runs the risk of having its more competitive elements (an artificial distinction, competition) rebel against the leveling that takes place. Free trade also eradicates some of the drive for intellectual superiority by the intelligentsia in society by allotting the greatest monetary reward to those who write that which appeals to the "masses" (this term in a laissez faire economy is indeed of pseudo-democratic allure).
Furthermore, not everything that shakes your belief system is propaganda.
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propaganda is this:
Free trade is a natural consequence of democracy
doubletalk? This is not even close to doubletalk. If anything, it is nothing but the truth. Democracy is dangerous because it ignores the natural distinctions among individuals/groups. Without free trade in a democratic society, said society runs the risk of having its more competitive elements (an artificial distinction, competition) rebel against the leveling that takes place. Free trade also eradicates some of the drive for intellectual superiority by the intelligentsia in society by allotting the greatest monetary reward to those who write that which appeals to the "masses" (this term in a laissez faire economy is indeed of pseudo-democratic allure).
Furthermore, not everything that shakes your belief system is propaganda.
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RadioFree,
My main question is this, "what the hell are you even doing here in the forum of a gambling info site?" It looks like you might fit in a little better on a college campus, where your well-spoken bullshit might be better appreciated by other whiny-ass, liberal, anti-war, anti-establishment, peacenik, wasters of good oxygen. Then you could all join together and educate all of us on corporate greed, government conspiracies, the value of the aclu, and just exactly what is wrong with our country. I'll tell you what is wrong with our country---too many people like you are just absolutely full of shit. Too many people can't distinguish right from wrong. and people like you do such a good job of explaining why right is wrong. Too many people think the government is responsible for the well being of individuals (handouts). And people think that nothing is their own fault (I'm too lazy to work, so it must be the president's fault).
So for those who constantly bitch about America, just leave. Try Iraq maybe. Radiofree, I guess you're probably not in America to begin with, so why don't you take your big words to a forum where your brilliance will truly "shocked and awed"
Now stepping off the soapbox
Tubby
My main question is this, "what the hell are you even doing here in the forum of a gambling info site?" It looks like you might fit in a little better on a college campus, where your well-spoken bullshit might be better appreciated by other whiny-ass, liberal, anti-war, anti-establishment, peacenik, wasters of good oxygen. Then you could all join together and educate all of us on corporate greed, government conspiracies, the value of the aclu, and just exactly what is wrong with our country. I'll tell you what is wrong with our country---too many people like you are just absolutely full of shit. Too many people can't distinguish right from wrong. and people like you do such a good job of explaining why right is wrong. Too many people think the government is responsible for the well being of individuals (handouts). And people think that nothing is their own fault (I'm too lazy to work, so it must be the president's fault).
So for those who constantly bitch about America, just leave. Try Iraq maybe. Radiofree, I guess you're probably not in America to begin with, so why don't you take your big words to a forum where your brilliance will truly "shocked and awed"
Now stepping off the soapbox
Tubby
"My main question is this, 'what the hell are you even doing here in the forum of a gambling info site?'"
The title of this forum is, "Politics, Governments and World Events". That would seem to imply that politics, governments & world events are discussed in here.
The title of this forum is, "Politics, Governments and World Events". That would seem to imply that politics, governments & world events are discussed in here.
Radiofree
Better yet, why dont you go move to North Korea, Vietnam, China, or Cuba. These are exceptional countries that put your theories into good use. Though Cuba has a lot of hotties you can test your theories into good use.
Just curious, is your first or second last name Marx, Stalin, or Tse Tung?
Democracy may not be the most perfect form of government, but it is the best one in this planet. Only in Democracy can someone poor become wealthy. Though a little luck always plays, all rags to riches stories deal with the person working really hard and sacrificing before becoming successfull. Now, try becoming economically comfortable in a non democratic country.
Better yet, why dont you go move to North Korea, Vietnam, China, or Cuba. These are exceptional countries that put your theories into good use. Though Cuba has a lot of hotties you can test your theories into good use.
Just curious, is your first or second last name Marx, Stalin, or Tse Tung?
Democracy may not be the most perfect form of government, but it is the best one in this planet. Only in Democracy can someone poor become wealthy. Though a little luck always plays, all rags to riches stories deal with the person working really hard and sacrificing before becoming successfull. Now, try becoming economically comfortable in a non democratic country.
Alex The Great,
I think you hit it right on the nose with the rags to riches bit. You have to work hard and sacrifice for success, not just sit back and dream up ways how others are holding you down, how the government is screwing you, and most importantly--HOW EVERYTHING IS SOMEONE ELSE'S FAULT.
I think you hit it right on the nose with the rags to riches bit. You have to work hard and sacrifice for success, not just sit back and dream up ways how others are holding you down, how the government is screwing you, and most importantly--HOW EVERYTHING IS SOMEONE ELSE'S FAULT.
We wonder why the leftest hate America types don't just pack up and move to Cuba or Haiti, seems the leftest would rather turn America into a socialist hell hole.
"Walter Williams is my hero" outandup 2002
"Walter Williams is my hero" outandup 2002
radio: this is quite possibly the most indefensible and ridiculous thing I have ever seen posted:
"Democracy is dangerous because it ignores the natural distinctions among individuals/groups"
Question: how many people here actually agree with this statement? Please remember that such a statement endorses some other form of government and one which does not 'ignore' the distinctions. Not sure what radio means about that, but I suppose India would be one model with its caste system?
Democracy is dangerous - you're right in one sense, freedom threatens governments who do not allow it.
"Democracy is dangerous because it ignores the natural distinctions among individuals/groups"
Question: how many people here actually agree with this statement? Please remember that such a statement endorses some other form of government and one which does not 'ignore' the distinctions. Not sure what radio means about that, but I suppose India would be one model with its caste system?
Democracy is dangerous - you're right in one sense, freedom threatens governments who do not allow it.
I nominate the post below for stupidest of the year. First of all, France has nuclear weapons. Second, they are our allies. Third, nobody would support invading France unless our government set up another 9/11 and blamed it on the French - but I think even most Americans are not dumb enough to fall for that one.
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