Can a modern day BCS title be won by a team with an "average" QB?

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I'm just throwing this question out there. Seems like most of the titles are won with either an above average, great or experienced QB. Unless they show me different, I don't feel that either Bama or LSU have the sort of QB's I would put in that category. I realize first year junior McElroy QB'd Bama to a title a couple years ago. But he had a pretty good year in their title season (61% 17-4 ratio). Do you think either Jefferson or McCarron are capable of putting up similar numbers? Just wondering. I know if the SEC makes it to the title game, there's a pretty good chance they win it. But can either Bama or LSU make it through their conference with less than 2 losses if they don't put up McElroy, Tebow or Cam Newton type numbers?? If you take the SEC out of the equation, every QB from the other conferences teams have been either an above average or great QB in the title game. So if you go by that, I'm figuring one of these teams will probably be in it

OU
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Oregon
Boise St.
 

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Mcleroy was average at best IMO.... I really think you can win a title with an average QB... Dominate D and running game and there you go..... LSU won both there Titles with average qb play.... Miami as well with Dorsey
 

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I think McElroy was average or slightly above average that year. You can't just look at stats but the 17 TD's in 14 games and 7.7 ypc avg is very telling on what he was asked to do that year. In the middle of the season he was a liability on nearly every drop back as he had no confidence. He had a 4-straight game stretch where he failed to throw for even 150 yards and only had one game all season where he reached 20 completions. Bama put up 37 in the title game and GMc completed 6 throws for 58 yards :)

he grew as a QB in his senior year, got drafted, and is now a #2 QB on a good NFL team so he's both talented and extremely smart but he was the epitome of average in the title season where both Tebow and sCam were the best players in the country

of course i'll take 25-3 as a starter over stats any day
 

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If you look at each team in the SEC....one would have to say the QB position is very average overall this year.

There are some young guys who could establish themselves.
 

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I would say the answer to this question is an absolute yes. IMO – it’s more important to dominate the line of scrimmage than have a superstar QB, in terms of winning a title. The key to the SEC’s run hasn’t been the QB, it’s been the play in the trenches. Dominating the line can sure make an average QB look better than he actually is.

The SEC defensive lines have not just dominated; they have beaten the opposing offensive lines like a drum on nearly every single snap. Four of the last five title games looked like an NFL defensive line facing off against college players. Nearly every single play, the SEC defensive lines beat the opposition offensive line and completely disrupted the opposing QB and offense. I actually felt like Oklahoma’s offensive line at least competed with Florida, but the other four weren’t even close.

I don’t care who you’re QB or RB is if you have big, fast, athletic defensive lineman having free run on nearly offensive play, your offense is in trouble. It hasn’t hurt that in the previous four years the back seven for these SEC teams has been solid/excellent as well. Last year was a bit of an anomaly, as Auburn’s back seven was sub-par at best.

The gap in talent hasn’t been as large with SEC offensive lines facing opposing defensive lines, but there has been a gap.

When teams lose the line of scrimmage, and lose it badly, the entire game plan falls apart. You will likely see this again in the Oregon-LSU game in a few weeks. Oregon’s offensive line will be beaten on nearly every single play of this game and this will completely disrupts the entire offense. The game is still a pass for me though, because I’m struggling to back Jefferson, who can lose this for LSU in a minute and Oregon’s decided advantage on special teams, which could be critical in an expected close game.

The SEC’s run will come to end for one of two reasons IMO, a) the conference cannibalizes itself and doesn’t have a representative in the title game or b) they face a talented team who is strong on both lines.

I think option A is an extremely possible scenario this season, where an upset in the SEC title game (East over West) likely keeps the SEC out of the title game. I just don’t see any SEC team running the table in the regular season this year due to the overall depth of the conference. In many recent years, I felt the SEC was top heavy, but the teams at the top were ridiculously good. This season, the conference is deep, so I expect the West winner to be 11-1 heading into the SEC title game against an East winner that has at least three losses. However, the East winner probably wouldn’t be a decided underdog in this game and could pull the upset.

As for the QB’s mentioned above, I wouldn’t even consider mentioning Thomas’s name with Luck or Moore. I was very impressed with Thomas’s composure in the title game last season, but the bottom line is this guy is not a premier QB. If you look at Thomas’s passing numbers on obvious passing downs, they are less than average. To Oregon’s credit, they aren’t put in these situations often, but they certainly would be facing an SEC defense in the title game. In comparison to Luck or Moore’s numbers in the same situation, Thomas isn’t even in the same league. Luck or Moore can pick you apart on third and long, while Thomas can not. That being said, Stanford and Boise have other issues, which I think would decrease the probability that they defeat an SEC team in the title.

As for Oklahoma, without checking the numbers, my perception is they always seem to be strong on either the offensive line OR the defensive line, but can’t seem to align these in the same year, of late (GS, BS or Russ could comment on this better than I). If they can do this, they have a chance to win because their roster is full of SEC type talent. Unfortunately, I don’t see it this year and think they will drop a game somewhere along the line.

Call me crazy, but I think this season will move us one step closer to a playoff type format as the SEC, who could end up with six or seven of the top 12-13 teams, will not be represented in the title game, as two teams widely considered inferior to top level SEC teams will face off. I think it’s more than possible that every team in the SEC has two losses following the SEC title game. I would suspect this would create a media/public outrage, which may push us another direction.
 

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I'm just throwing this question out there. Seems like most of the titles are won with either an above average, great or experienced QB. Unless they show me different, I don't feel that either Bama or LSU have the sort of QB's I would put in that category. I realize first year junior McElroy QB'd Bama to a title a couple years ago. But he had a pretty good year in their title season (61% 17-4 ratio). Do you think either Jefferson or McCarron are capable of putting up similar numbers? Just wondering. I know if the SEC makes it to the title game, there's a pretty good chance they win it. But can either Bama or LSU make it through their conference with less than 2 losses if they don't put up McElroy, Tebow or Cam Newton type numbers?? If you take the SEC out of the equation, every QB from the other conferences teams have been either an above average or great QB in the title game. So if you go by that, I'm figuring one of these teams will probably be in it

OU
Stanford
Wisconsin
Oregon
Boise St.

I like this angle a lot GoSooners. And you are right. The vast majority of #1 teams down throughout the years have been led by a QB that takes command. I bet that even holds true for both participants in a national title game a huge majority of the time.

The only thing that could trip this up would be the team that is led by an emerging star at QB.

I would venture a guess to say OU will get their shot vs either Oregon or Stanford possibly Bama if they come out of it unscathed however the QB issue is up in the air. Without a QB that can lead his team down the field to the winning score makes them more vulnerable to being upset.

Stanford, Oregon and USC finish off with 4 or 5 very tough games to close out their seasons. I mention USC because they came within 4 seconds of beating Stanford last season in Palo Alto and I think USC has it in them to return the favor... especially because they host Stanford this season at the Coliseum. I remember several occasions in recent years when Stanford did in USC's season... and not to overlook the game last year when Stanford scored more points vs USC in its entire history... yes we are talking about USC here and at least a hundred years of football. What a slap in the face that game was. USC has every reason to be highly motivated in their game this season.

I can't help but think Boise will be poised to pick up the pieces. A BCS NC game between Boise and OU is very possible because both teams have schedules that they can overcome and remain undefeated with the rest of the QB represented teams beating each other up. That makes for a significant rematch of the '07 Fiesta Bowl.
 

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If OU is to win another Title this year, they have a great shot due to the SEC teams having no standout great QB play. I would be looking hard at Stanford. Yes they have a new head coach and his system will be different but that team plays some good ball. Luck elevates his teammates play as well. If they can make it through theor conf unscaved I see them as potential front runner.
 

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Yes it can be done, but it helps if you have a very good QB running the show. The major difference is that a very good QB can lead his team to a come from behind victory. The average QB may not be able to do this agaist a very good defense. Look at last years N.C game. While the game itself was not very good, as far as the actual play was concerned, Newton did manage to drive his team down the field for the winning FG with no time left. Oregon, led by their QB Thomas, had just driven down the field to tie the game. For sure it takes a team effort, but a very good QB gives a coach a lot more options.
 

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A great QB is a great piece of the puzzle...... Eli Manning was a Great college qb and led a below average Ole Miss team to 10 wins.... The next year we 18 returning starters and went 3-8.... BUTTTTTTT you can win titles with a average QB..... I would be interested to the last 10-12 national champs and see. Let me do some digging and we will see what we get.. Nice Thread
 

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2000Oklahoma13-0Orange: Beat Florida St. 13-2- Josh Heupel- Above Average2001Miami, Fla.12-0Rose: Beat Nebraska 37-14- Ken Dorsey- Average 2002Ohio State14-0Fiesta: Beat Miami, Fla. 31-24 (2 ot)- Craig Kenzel- Average at best2003LSU (National Champs)
USC (#1 in AP Poll)13-1
12-1Sugar: Beat Oklahoma 21-14- Matt Mauck- Average
Rose: Beat Michigan 28-14- Matt Leinhart- Very Good
#-2004USC13-0Orange: Beat Oklahoma 55-19- Matt Leinhart- Great#-2005Texas13-0Rose: Beat USC 41-38- Vince Young- Great2006Florida13-1BCS Championship Game:
Beat Ohio State 41-14- Chris Leak- Average but played great that night.2007LSU12-2BCS Championship Game: Matt Flynn- Average
Beat Ohio State 38-24 2008Florida13-1BCS Championship Game: Tim Tebow- Great
Beat Oklahoma 24-142009Alabama14-0BCS Championship Game: Greg McElroy- Average
Beat Texas 37-212010Auburn14-0BCS Championship Game:- Cam Newton- Great



These rankings are my Oponion and based off what they looked like in college.
 

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2000 Oklahoma- Josh Heupel- Above average
2001 Miami- Ken Dorsey- Average
2002Ohio State- Craig Krenzel- Average
2003 LSU- Matt Mauck- Average
2003 USC- Matt Leinhart- Above Average
2004 USC- Matt Leinhart- Very Good
2005 Texas- Vince Young- Great
2006 Florida- Chris Leak- Average but great that night
2007 LSU- Matt Flynn- average
2008 Florida- Tim Tebow- Great
2009 Alabama- Greg Mcelroy- Average
2010 Auburn- Cam Newton- Great

These are my Oponions from watching these QBs play CFB and has nothing to do with pro careers
 

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dorsey was heisman finalist that year, certainly not average

leak broke almost every wuerffel (won heisman) gator passing record, not average

mauck threw 28 td's that year, pretty decent (most ever in lsu? no sure)

thought flynn was terrific in senior year. 3+ TD's in 5 games (including bama, ark, ohio st, barn) but overall an avg college QB
 

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HT: Agree with your list. Look at defenses though to find a more solid argument. SEC usually wins with Ds that get the backseat due to respect.
 

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dorsey was heisman finalist that year, certainly not average

leak broke almost every wuerffel (won heisman) gator passing record, not average

mauck threw 28 td's that year, pretty decent (most ever in lsu? no sure)

thought flynn was terrific in senior year. 3+ TD's in 5 games (including bama, ark, ohio st, barn) but overall an avg college QB


I watched Dorsey, Leak, and Mauck and never once said damn that cat can go. Thats why I said average on them 3.... I realize they had good seasons.....hell all national championship teams have to have good qbs but I never looked at them 3 and said damn they are legit. Any three of them could of been replaced and there teams could of still been in position to win the NT..... Now VY, Cam, and Tebow were great playmakers for there team.... Thats just my oponion though..... I read your write up on Pitt... So are you thinking we get some value on the Panthers this year?
 

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I think McElroy was average or slightly above average that year. You can't just look at stats but the 17 TD's in 14 games and 7.7 ypc avg is very telling on what he was asked to do that year. In the middle of the season he was a liability on nearly every drop back as he had no confidence. He had a 4-straight game stretch where he failed to throw for even 150 yards and only had one game all season where he reached 20 completions. Bama put up 37 in the title game and GMc completed 6 throws for 58 yards :)

he grew as a QB in his senior year, got drafted, and is now a #2 QB on a good NFL team so he's both talented and extremely smart but he was the epitome of average in the title season where both Tebow and sCam were the best players in the country

of course i'll take 25-3 as a starter over stats any day
My only question with Bama is can a sophomore come in cold with very little experience and mature and play like McElroy did as a junior when he started? I know that Bama had a couple very close calls that year with Tennessee and Auburn, and a little more mature McElroy help pull them out of it. How does this kid compare to McElroy? As for the other SEC team LSU, Jefferson is just bad. I'm going to have a see a lot of improvment out of him before I call LSU BCS title contenders.
 

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Absolutely. Great coaches make great teams, not QBs. A great coach will bend his game plan to fit the talent he gets on the field. A good coach will recruit to get the type talent the thinks he can win with. An average coach hopes he can recruit the talent he thinks he can win with.

It's all about the coach and the program backing him.
 

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I think with all of these other non-sec teams, it's going to take a very good QB to win the title. You can go way back to the Ohio St. 2002 days to find and average QB. But in the modern era of football where the QB position is relied upon more and more, if you don't have the stacked defenses that the SEC has, you HAVE to rely more on offense to win big games. It also helped Ohio St. that year that they didn't have to play an SEC team for the title.
 

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