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UN unanimously adopts resolution on Iraq


June 8, 2004 11:00 PM

UN unanimously adopts resolution on Iraq

UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) - The U.N. Security Council has voted unanimously for a U.S.-British resolution that formally ends the occupation of Iraq on June 30 and authorises a U.S.-led force to keep the peace.

"It means full sovereignty for Iraq. It means a new age in hopefully very pleasant Iraqi history," said Iraq's new interim president, Ghazi al-Yawar, who is visiting Washington.

The vote by the 15-nation council on Tuesday endorsed a "sovereign" interim Iraqi government and said the country's new leaders had the right to order the international troops to leave at any time. The resolution makes clear the mandate of the multinational force commanded by the Americans would expire, in any case, by the end of January 2006.
 

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Actually, the resolution that has been passed probably pisses Bush off to no end. In his original proposal, the US would still be able to blow the snot out of cities, etc. without the approval or permission of the Iraqi government. The UN dismissed this clause and stated that they would not pass a resolution until it was removed and full autonomy over military operations were given back to the Iraqis. Guess what? The UN 'manned up', stood firm, and has dragged Bush along with them.
 

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Well the way I see it is the only people that are unhappy about the resolution is left wing loonies,Al Queda and John Kerry.

...i can't get over how it just kills you guys to see GW succeed.
 

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The resolution is all political posturing by the US. does anyone really think anything at all will change for the better on the ground in Iraq. What happens when the so called sovereign government tells a US general to stay out of an Iraqi city, nothing thats what. All this does is set up more targets for resistance fighters. The situation is worse than ever on the ground in Baghdad.


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Unhappy about it?
Not at all.

This resolution means diddly-shit.
This resolution changes diddly-shit.

A REAL UN resolution would have the UN military dudes moving in, the guys with the blue helmets.

Its business as usual, no-one will touch the place with a fekking pole.

Once the US occupation force LEAVES THE COUNTRY, then things are genuinely moving forwards.
I notice that the new Iraqi administration is pushing hard to get its sticky little mitts on the oil exports bank account.

Its just S.Vietnam MK2, and if you leave, just like S.Vietnam, the place will collapse.

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Ronnie Ray-Gun (remember his stars wars projects) would not have invaded IMO.
Bombing and sanctions, yes.
Megalomania. No.

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Sad situation.

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Twenty eight Iraqis, four coalition troops including two Us and two Polish were killed in a car bomb blasts in Baghdad and an attack on a police station, while 61 people including three US soldiers were injured in violence elsewhere.

13 Iraqis including seven policemen were killed a bomb went off in police station. Nine officials were killed in a car bomb blast in northern area Taji. Bomb blasts have also been reported in Kirkuk and Alkut leaving one official dead and four citizens wounded

The death toll could rise further as there were also more than 20 Iraqis seriously hurt.

World News.
 

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THE WHITE HOUSE FIB FACORY GOES INTO HIGH GEAR


The White House's Iraq fib factory went into overdrive last week, trumpeting claims the new `caretaker government' the UN had supposedly just installed in Baghdad would be `fully sovereign' and `totally independent' by 30 June.

We would like to believe the White House. But this latest claim comes from the same truth-deficient people who concocted Iraq's imminent threat to destroy the USA with nuclear and germ weapons, Saddam's vans and drones of death, Saddam's tryst with bin Laden, and a cascade of other preposterous fictions that would have made Nazi propaganda minister Dr. Joseph Gobbels blush deep crimson.

The latest US-authored regime-change in Iraq was a political charade designed to soothe uneasy American voters who are increasingly alarmed by the aimlessness, mounting casualties, and $186 billion cost — as much as the Vietnam War at its height — of the Iraq misadventure.

The White House dreads the oncoming national uproar when the number of American soldiers killed in Iraq hits 1,000. It desperately needs to show some light at the end of the Iraq tunnel before November elections.

So it arm-twisted the UN's dismayingly weak Secretary General, Kofi Annan, into allowing his organization to be crudely misused to legitimize continuing US-British occupation of Iraq by supposedly selecting candidates for the new `sovereign' regime.

Throughout the entire Iraq crisis, Anan has persistently given in to or facilitated Washington's demands, refused to strongly defend his weapons inspectors, and is now undermining the world body by allowing it to become a tool of Anglo-American Mideast policy. A strong secretary, like Dag Hammarskjold, would never have allowed this to happen.

In the end, Washington chose its own men and simply ignored the UN and humiliated its Iraq legate, Lakhdar Brahimi, after the world organization had provided the required fig leaf.

The result: Iraq's new regime, installed under the guns of US tanks, makes the former Soviet Union's Eastern European satellite states look like paragons of unfettered independence.

Off-the-shelf CIA `asset,' Iyad Allawi, was made strongman-prime minister — just like Afghanistan's US-installed figurehead Hamid Karzai, another CIA old boy. Iraq's defense and interior ministries will also be run by other US `assets.'

Another unknown exile was made ceremonial head of state. Some 160 US senior American `advisors' will supervise all key ministries, notably defense, police, finance, communications and a new, CIA-trained secret police. All the US billions currently funding Iraq, and overall control of oil revenues, will be managed by a special US `advisory and monitoring board.'

France long ran its nominally independent West African colonies in a similar manner: French `advisors' telling African ministers what to do, backed by the not so subtle threat of the French intelligence service and the Foreign Legion.

By comparison, after the Soviets invaded Afghanistan in 1979, they left the newly installed regime considerably more independence of action than the US is giving its Iraqi satraps.

The supreme law of the Arab World: the men with the guns make the law. Iraq's new puppet regime has no soldiers, only some useless police. Real power will of course be held by 140,000 US troops who will stay on, Washington says, to `guarantee security' and `fight terrorism.'

The Bush administration suggests Iraq can order its troops to withdraw at any time; however, the next US-engineered Iraqi regime, due to be `elected' next year, is expected to `invite' them to stay on. Meanwhile, the Pentagon is building from 6 to 14 permanent military bases in Iraq, while major US firms are being encouraged to buy up Iraqi industrial assets on the cheap.

Next year's Iraq elections, if held, will hardly reflect the nation's will. Islamic, pro-Iranian, Nasserite, and Baathist parties will be banned. Only pro-US groups need apply.

This means that today's bunch of collaborating exiles, political nobodies, and Kurds are likely to form Iraq's next `elected' regime. In short, a shadow regime whose independence and sovereignty may be limited to garbage collection and dog catching — the same bantustan-type formula Israel offered Palestinians.

The big decisions — military, internal security, oil, banking, industry, foreign relations, bases — will be decided by the real government, the US Embassy and Iraq's American `advisors.'

Some members of Iraq's new, American-engineered regime will eventually seek more independence from US control, or even demand outright sovereignty. But they will vividly recall how the last puppet rulers of British-controlled Iraq, King Faisal and strongman Nuri as-Said, were overthrown in 1958, and hanged from lampposts.

The moment members of Iraq's current US-installed regime begins showing too much independence, they will be quietly replaced, or threatened by denial of US security protection, leaving them to face their hostile, angry people. America's Iraqi satraps are entirely dependant on US troops and bodyguards.

Two acid tests will determine whether any Iraqi regime is truly sovereign and independent of US control: the ability to order all US forces out of Iraq; and reaffirmation of Iraq's active support of the Palestinian cause. Anything less means Iraq remains an American colony, all the Bush administration's fancy doubletalk notwithstanding.

Eris Margolis international syndicated columnist & broadcaster Toronto Sun.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> The result: Iraq's new regime, installed under the guns of US tanks, makes the former Soviet Union's Eastern European satellite states look like paragons of unfettered independence. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thats pretty astute stuff.

The parallels between Iraq and an eastern bloc satellite of the USSR are uncanny.

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by eek:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> The result: Iraq's new regime, installed under the guns of US tanks, makes the former Soviet Union's Eastern European satellite states look like paragons of unfettered independence. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thats pretty astute stuff.

The parallels between Iraq and an eastern bloc victim of the USSR are uncanny.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

In what way are the parallels there other than being a quaint cliche? How about comparing Iraq with France, Italy, West Germany, or the scores of other countries that were liberated by the British/US in World War Two?

Nah...it's more fun to throw shit against the wall and hope it makes sense. Why are some on here so damn bitter about good news in Iraq?
 

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If you're looking for parallels in World War II, it took about four years to get an active reconstruction effort going in the aftermath of the war. This so called sovereign governing body is a politcal ploy to to gain currency before the elections. Republicans are desparate to deflect blame for mounting US casualties as the situation worsens on the ground in Iraq. Nothing has really changed France, Germany, and Russia are still just by standers while young Americans continue die everyday along with dozens of innocent Iraqis.

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"....some on here so damn bitter about good news in Iraq?"

And that "good news" would be what??

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Patriot:
Well the way I see it is the only people that are unhappy about the resolution is left wing loonies,Al Queda and John Kerry.

...i can't get over how it just kills you guys to see GW succeed.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You're right that this is going to kill Kerry ... going to the 'UN and the International community' was the only platform clause that truly differentiated him from Bush.

What I don't understand is all the right-wing applause this is getting given that a. Bush had to concede military autonomy, and b. right-wingers have been saying for eons that the US needs to get out of the UN altogether.

I am glad that Russia and France were able to coerce Bush and Blair into conceding military authority ... however, until the "coalition" leaves Iraq altogether, "sovereignty" amounts to nothing more than rhetoric. How sovereign would you feel with troops from Mexico marching up and down your streets?
 

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X...I only allow you to frame it as you like...its still good news.I think their is a 2006 get of town date...or if the elected govermewnt say leave...CYA! wouldn't wanna be ya!

Heres a more detailed talking points of the reso. (below)...although I can't find where it says Cya! wouldn't wanna be ya!

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Text of U.N. Draft Resolution on Iraq
Associated Press | June 9, 2004



Romania, United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and United States of America circulated a revised draft of a resolution on Iraq to Security Council members on Tuesday:
draft resolution

The Security Council,

Welcoming the beginning of a new phase in Iraq's transition to a democratically elected government, and looking forward to the end of the occupation and the assumption of full responsibility and authority by a fully sovereign and independent Interim Government of Iraq by 30 June 2004,

Recalling all of its previous relevant resolutions on Iraq,

Reaffirming the independence, sovereignty, unity, and territorial integrity of Iraq,

Reaffirming also the right of the Iraqi people freely to determine their own political future and control their own natural resources,

Recognizing the importance of international support, particularly that of countries in the region, Iraq's neighbours, and regional organizations, for the people of Iraq in their efforts to achieve security and prosperity, and noting that the successful implementation of this resolution will contribute to regional stability,

Welcoming the efforts of the Special Adviser to the Secretary-General to assist the people of Iraq in achieving the formation of the Interim Government of Iraq, as set out in the letter of the Secretary-General of 7 June 2004 (S/2004/461),

Taking note of the dissolution of the Governing Council of Iraq, and welcoming the progress made in implementing the arrangements for Iraq's political transition referred to in resolution 1511 (2003) of 16 October 2003,

Welcoming the commitment of the Interim Government of Iraq to work towards a federal, democratic, pluralist and unified Iraq, in which there is full respect for political and human rights,

Stressing the need for all parties to respect and protect Iraq's archaeological, historical, cultural and religious heritage,

Affirming the importance of the rule of law, national reconciliation, respect for human rights including the rights of women, fundamental freedoms, and democracy including free and fair elections,

Recalling the establishment of the United Nations Assistance Mission for Iraq (UNAMI) on 14 August 2003, and affirming that the United Nations should play a leading role in assisting the Iraqi people and government in the formation of institutions for representative government,

Recognizing that international support for restoration of stability and security is essential to the well-being of the people of Iraq as well as to the ability of all concerned to carry out their work on behalf of the people of Iraq, and welcoming Member State contributions in this regard under resolution 1483 (2003) of 22 May 2003 and resolution 1511 (2003),

Recalling the report provided by the United States to the Security Council on 16 April 2004 on the efforts and progress made by the multinational force,

Recognizing the request conveyed in the letter of 5 June 2004 from the Prime Minister of the Interim Government of Iraq to the President of the Council, which is annexed to this resolution, to retain the presence of the multinational force,

Recognizing also the importance of the consent of the sovereign Government of Iraq for the presence of the multinational force and of close coordination between the multinational force and that government,

Welcoming the willingness of the multinational force to continue efforts to contribute to the maintenance of security and stability in Iraq in support of the political transition, especially for upcoming elections, and to provide security for the United Nations presence in Iraq, as described in the letter of 5 June 2004 from the United States Secretary of State to the President of the Council, which is annexed to this resolution,

Noting the commitment of all forces promoting the maintenance of security and stability in Iraq to act in accordance with international law, including obligations under international humanitarian law, and to cooperate with relevant international organizations,

Affirming the importance of international assistance in reconstruction and development of the Iraqi economy,

Recognizing the benefits to Iraq of the immunities and privileges enjoyed by Iraqi oil revenues and by the Development Fund for Iraq, and noting the importance of providing for continued disbursements of this fund by the Interim Government of Iraq and its successors upon dissolution of the Coalition Provisional Authority,

Determining that the situation in Iraq continues to constitute a threat to international peace and security,

Acting under Chapter VII of the Charter of the United Nations,

1. Endorses the formation of a sovereign Interim Government of Iraq, as presented on 1 June 2004, which will assume full responsibility and authority by 30 June 2004 for governing Iraq while refraining from taking any actions affecting Iraq's destiny beyond the limited interim period until an elected Transitional Government of Iraq assumes office as envisaged in paragraph four below;

2. Welcomes that, also by 30 June 2004, the occupation will end and the Coalition Provisional Authority will cease to exist, and that Iraq will reassert its full sovereignty;

3. Reaffirms the right of the Iraqi people freely to determine their own political future and to exercise full authority and control over their financial and natural resources;

4. Endorses the proposed timetable for Iraq's political transition to democratic government including:

(a) formation of the sovereign Interim Government of Iraq that will assume governing responsibility and authority by 30 June 2004;

(b) convening of a national conference reflecting the diversity of Iraqi society; and

(c) holding of direct democratic elections by 31 December 2004 if possible, and in no case later than 31 January 2005, to a Transitional National Assembly, which will, inter alia, have responsibility for forming a Transitional Government of Iraq and drafting a permanent constitution for Iraq leading to a constitutionally elected government by 31 December 2005;

5. Invites the Government of Iraq to consider how the convening of an international meeting could support the above process, and notes that it would welcome such a meeting to support the Iraqi political transition and Iraqi recovery, to the benefit of the Iraqi people, and in the interest of stability in the region;

6. Calls on all Iraqis to implement these arrangements peaceably and in full, and on all States and relevant organizations to support such implementation;

7. Decides that in implementing, as circumstances permit, their mandate to assist the Iraqi people and government, the Special Representative of the Secretary-General and the United Nations Assistance Mission for Iraq (UNAMI), as requested by the Government of Iraq, shall:

(a) play a leading role to:

(i) assist in the convening, during the month of July 2004, of a national conference to select a Consultative Council;

(ii) advise and support the Interim Government of Iraq, the Independent Electoral Commission of Iraq,and the Transitional National Assembly on the process for holding elections;

(iii) promote national dialogue and consensus-building on the drafting of a national constitution by the people of Iraq;

(b) and also:

(i) advise the Government of Iraq in the development of effective civil and social services;

(ii) contribute to the coordination and delivery of reconstruction, development, and humanitarian assistance;

(iii) promote the protection of human rights, national reconciliation, and judicial and legal reform in order to strengthen the rule of law in Iraq; and

(iv) advise and assist the Government of Iraq on initial planning for the eventual conduct of a comprehensive census;

8. Welcomes ongoing efforts by the incoming Interim Government of Iraq to develop Iraqi security forces including the Iraqi armed forces (hereinafter referred to as "Iraqi security forces"), operating under the authority of the Interim Government of Iraq and its successors, which will progressively play a greater role and ultimately assume full responsibility for the maintenance of security and stability in Iraq;

9. Notes that the presence of the multinational force in Iraq is at the request of the incoming Interim Government of Iraq and therefore reaffirms the authorization for the multinational force under unified command established under resolution 1511 (2003) having regard to the letters annexed to this resolution;

10. Decides that the multinational force shall have the authority to take all necessary measures to contribute to the maintenance of security and stability in Iraq in accordance with the letters annexed to this resolution expressing, inter alia, the Iraqi request for the continued presence of the multinational force and setting out its tasks, including by preventing and deterring terrorism, so that, inter alia, the United Nations can fulfil its role in assisting the Iraqi people as outlined in paragraph seven above and the Iraqi people can implement freely and without intimidation the timetable and program for the political process and benefit from reconstruction and rehabilitation activities;

11. Welcomes in this regard the letters annexed to this resolution stating, inter alia, that arrangements are being put in place to establish a security partnership between the sovereign Government of Iraq and the multinational force and to ensure coordination between the two, and notes also in this regard that Iraqi security forces are responsible to appropriate Iraqi ministers, that the Government of Iraq has authority to commit Iraqi security forces to the multinational force to engage in operations with it, and that the security structures described in the letters will serve as the fora for the Government of Iraq and the multinational force to reach agreement on the full range of fundamental security and policy issues, including policy on sensitive offensive operations, and will ensure full partnership between Iraqi security forces and the multinational force, through close coordination and consultation;

12. Decides further that the mandate for the multinational force shall be reviewed at the request of the Government of Iraq or twelve months from the date of this resolution, and that this mandate shall expire upon the completion of the political process set out in paragraph four above, and declares that it will terminate this mandate earlier if requested by the Government of Iraq;

13. Notes the intention, set out in the annexed letter from the United States Secretary of State, to create a distinct entity under unified command of the multinational force with a dedicated mission to provide security for the United Nations presence in Iraq, recognizes that the implementation of measures to provide security for staff members of the United Nations system working in Iraq would require significant resources, and calls upon Member States and relevant organizations to provide such resources, including contributions to that entity;

14. Recognizes that the multinational force will also assist in building the capability of the Iraqi security forces and institutions, through a program of recruitment, training, equipping, mentoring and monitoring;

15. Requests Member States and international and regional organizations to contribute assistance to the multinational force, including military forces, as agreed with the Government of Iraq, to help meet the needs of the Iraqi people for security and stability, humanitarian and reconstruction assistance, and to support the efforts of UNAMI;

16. Emphasizes the importance of developing effective Iraqi police, border enforcement, and Facilities Protection Service, under the control of the Interior Ministry of Iraq, and, in the case of the Facilities Protection Service, other Iraqi ministries, for the maintenance of law, order, and security, including combating terrorism, and requests Member States and international organizations to assist the Government of Iraq in building the capability of these Iraqi institutions;

17. Condemns all acts of terrorism in Iraq, reaffirms the obligations of Member States under resolutions 1373 (2001) of 28 September 2001, 1267 (1999) of 15 October 1999, 1333 (2000) of 19 December 2000, 1390 (2002) of 16 January 2002, 1455 (2003) of 17 January 2003, and 1526 (2004) of 30 January 2004, and other relevant international obligations with respect, inter alia, to terrorist activities in and from Iraq or against its citizens, and specifically reiterates its call upon Member States to prevent the transit of terrorists to and from Iraq, arms for terrorists, and financing that would support terrorists, and re-emphasizes the importance of strengthening the cooperation of the countries of the region, particularly neighbours of Iraq, in this regard;

18. Recognizes that the Interim Government of Iraq will assume the primary role in coordinating international assistance to Iraq;

19. Welcomes efforts by Member States and international organizations to respond in support of requests by the Interim Government of Iraq to provide technical and expert assistance, while Iraq is rebuilding administrative capacity;

20. Reiterates its request that Member States, international financial institutions and other organizations strengthen their efforts to assist the people of Iraq in the reconstruction and development of the Iraqi economy, including by providing international experts and necessary resources through a coordinated programme of donor assistance;

21. Decides that the prohibitions related to the sale or supply to Iraq of arms and related materiel under previous resolutions shall not apply to arms or related materiel required by the Government of Iraq or the multinational force to serve the purposes of this resolution, stresses the importance for all States to abide strictly by them, and notes the significance of Iraq's neighbours in this regard, and calls upon the Government of Iraq and the multinational force each to ensure that appropriate implementation procedures are in place;

22. Notes that nothing in the preceding paragraph affects the prohibitions on or obligations of States related to items specified in paragraphs 8 and 12 of resolution 687 (1991) of 3 April 1991 or activities described in paragraph 3 (f) of resolution 707 (1991) of 15 August 1991, and reaffirms its intention to revisit the mandates of the United Nations Monitoring, Verification, and Inspection Commission and the International Atomic Energy Agency;

23. Calls on Member States and international organizations to respond to Iraqi requests to assist Iraqi efforts to integrate Iraqi veterans and former militia members into Iraqi society;

24. Notes that, upon dissolution of the Coalition Provisional Authority, the funds in the Development Fund for Iraq shall be disbursed solely at the direction of the Government of Iraq, and decides that the Development Fund for Iraq shall be utilized in a transparent and equitable manner and through the Iraqi budget including to satisfy outstanding obligations against the Development Fund for Iraq, that the arrangements for the depositing of proceeds from export sales of petroleum, petroleum products, and natural gas established in paragraph 20 of resolution 1483 (2003) shall continue to apply, that the International Advisory and Monitoring Board shall continue its activities in monitoring the Development Fund for Iraq and shall include as an additional full voting member a duly qualified individual designated by the Government of Iraq and that appropriate arrangements shall be made for the continuation of deposits of the proceeds referred to in paragraph 21 of resolution 1483 (2003);

25. Decides further that the provisions in the above paragraph for the deposit of proceeds into the DFI and for the role of the IAMB shall be reviewed at the request of the Transitional Government of Iraq or twelve months from the date of this resolution, and shall expire upon the completion of the political process set out in paragraph four above;

26. Decides that, in connection with the dissolution of the Coalition Provisional Authority, the Interim Government of Iraq and its successors shall assume the rights, responsibilities and obligations relating to the Oil-for-Food Programme that were transferred to the Authority, including all operational responsibility for the Programme and any obligations undertaken by the Authority in connection with such responsibility, and responsibility for ensuring independently authenticated confirmation that goods have been delivered, and further decides that, following a 120-day transition period from the date of adoption of this resolution, the Interim Government of Iraq and its successors shall assume responsibility for certifying delivery of goods under previously prioritized contracts, and that such certification shall be deemed to constitute the independent authentication required for the release of funds associated with such contracts, consulting as appropriate to ensure the smooth implementation of these arrangements;

27. Further decides that the provisions of paragraph 22 of resolution 1483 (2003) shall continue to apply, except that the privileges and immunities provided in that paragraph shall not apply with respect to any final judgement arising out of a contractual obligation entered into by Iraq after 30 June 2004;

28. Welcomes the commitments of many creditors, including those of the Paris Club, to identify ways to reduce substantially Iraq's sovereign debt, calls on Member States, as well as internationa1 and regional organizations, to support the Iraq reconstruction effort, urges the international financial institutions and bilateral donors to take the immediate steps necessary to provide their full range of loans and other financial assistance and arrangements to Iraq, recognizes that the Interim Government of Iraq will have the authority to conclude and implement such agreements and other arrangements as may be necessary in this regard, and requests creditors, institutions and donors to work as a priority on these matters with the Interim Government of Iraq and its successors;

29. Recalls the continuing obligations of Member States to freeze and transfer certain funds, assets, and economic resources to the Development Fund for Iraq in accordance with paragraphs 19 and 23 of resolution 1483 (2003) and with resolution 1518 (2003) of 24 November 2003;

30. Requests the Secretary-General to report to the Council within three months from the date of this resolution on UNAMI operations in Iraq, and on a quarterly basis thereafter on the progress made towards national elections and fulfilment of all UNAMI's responsibilities;

31. Requests that the United States, on behalf of the multinational force, report to the Council within three months from the date of this resolution on the efforts and progress of this force, and on a quarterly basis thereafter;

32. Decides to remain actively seized of the matter.
 

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Is it fair to say that you don't particularly care for the Republicans, but relative to the Dems you feel they're a much better party?

I get that impression.

FWIW - I feel the same (right now, it does change based on the candidates) but in reverse.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Patriot:
X...I only allow you to frame it as you like...its still good news.I think their is a 2006 get of town date...or if the elected govermewnt say leave...CYA! wouldn't wanna be ya!

Heres a more detailed talking points of the reso. (below)...although I can't find where it says Cya! wouldn't wanna be ya!

[This message was edited by Patriot on June 09, 2004 at 10:36 AM.]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, to all of the above. But what the papers aren't reporting is that this is NOT WHAT BUSH WANTED! This is the first time in his presidency, that I can recall, where Bush actually had to concede something to international pressure. And it's only because he would be completely screwed if he didn't ... were it not for an election in November, I don't think we'd be talking about this today.
 

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Lander...what kind of nuance did you come up with?
Mr. Lander Tear down that post!

I'm a John F. Kennedy democrat....cut taxes and a strong defense.I'm for civil right not unequel rights...I'm for the enviroment I believe China and Mexico should be up to at least our standards...I'm pro choice..I believe a parent should be given a voucher to send their child to the school of their choice.I'm for decriminalising drugs...just don't ask me to pay for the rehab...I'm for immigration...leagal immagration.
Or like Ron Reagan said I didn't leave the democratic party the dem. party left me.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Yes, to all of the above. But what the papers aren't reporting is that this is NOT WHAT BUSH WANTED! This is the first time in his presidency, that I can recall, where Bush actually had to concede something to international pressure. And it's only because he would be completely screwed if he didn't ... were it not for an election in November, I don't think we'd be talking about this today. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Very astute observation and I agree,John Kerry would not be talking like Barry Goldwater if their wasn't an election either.He was competing with "Moe" Howard Dean for the left 4 mos ago.(Totally against war)

But I think it what the UN has or hasn't proposed is reasonable and they have moved from their position also.(course you have the french kicking and screaming and the last one to ratify)
 

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