Well obviously a fight can't be determined by the color of the skin... Bruises do look much worse in white skin tones. I dunno if the black skin is more resistant to punches, but after a well evened fight between a black man and a white man, ussually the white man ends up with his face looking like a steak.
one of the reasons boxing hasnt seen many "white males" contending in the heavyweight divisions in many years is that unlike the champions of yesteryear (marciano most notably) is that todays boxing is more of an escape from the inner city ghettos...(yes even more so than basketball or baseball).
to box you dont have to finish highschool, there are no SAT or ACT tests to take, you dont have to be a team player, convicts are welcome, ect....
with so many boxers coming from inner cities, the percentage of minorities is going to be much greater than whites.
most of the "athletic" white males choose team sports to pursue other than boxing...
this isnt my own opinion, an article several years ago in SI stated some of the above reasons..
to box you dont have to finish highschool, there are no SAT or ACT tests to take, you dont have to be a team player, convicts are welcome, ect....
with so many boxers coming from inner cities, the percentage of minorities is going to be much greater than whites.
most of the "athletic" white males choose team sports to pursue other than boxing...
this isnt my own opinion, an article several years ago in SI stated some of the above reasons..
I agree with the opinion of DimeP on this one. I had a Greek friend that used to spar with Welerweight champ Billy Costello years ago. He would jab Billys face into submission. Problem was, as my friend grew up, his parents woudn't let him be any part of boxing. Now arguements against Dimes theory could come in teh form of this new jewish sensation named Salida. He is one bad ass little jewish kid. He wount fight on Shabazz (sp. sorry) w/o his Rabi's permission. Arum had to take him to see the Rabi to get him on his PPV card. Kids fight to get off the streets.
why is it so hard to accept that certain groups of people are better at certain things? how many of you had a computer science course in college? wasn't it always the asian kids ruining the curve. and basketball - you can say what you want about the "ticket out of the ghetto"...no amount of "want to" is gonna make you jump higher. i can learn moves, practice dribbling, shooting free throws, playing defense, etc. there is nothing i can do to jump like black men can jump.
doesn't mean they don't have to work hard at the game - michael jordan was a work-a-holic and a perfectionist and he was the best ever. it just means they have an advantage at certain things in life.
i know people will probably pile in this thread and call me a racist.
doesn't mean they don't have to work hard at the game - michael jordan was a work-a-holic and a perfectionist and he was the best ever. it just means they have an advantage at certain things in life.
i know people will probably pile in this thread and call me a racist.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>why is it so hard to accept that certain groups of people are better at certain things? how many of you had a computer science course in college? wasn't it always the asian kids ruining the curve?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> know people will probably pile in this thread and call me a racist.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I'm not going to call you a racist, I don't think you are one. However, I'm going to point out your horribly flawed logic on this one.
I'll start off by saying that I'm a computer science major at a public university who and I'm a pasty-white Jew.
Do asian kids "kill the curve" in these classes more that others mean that asians are "better with computers"? That is the question.
Maybe you took a statistics class in college too. There is a line that every stats teacher recites, and I'm sure you've heard it too:
correlation does not imply causation.
This means that we need to look deeper into why asians may be "killing the curve" in CompSci classes.
First, asians make up a tiny amount of the population of the united states. A couple percent. Yet they make up a much larger portion of college students. Does this mean that they are smarter. Racial quotas by the schools? Read on:
Most of the asian kids you see in your compsci classes come from poor countries where there are millions of people, and only a few will "make it" to America to study. They know the value of hard work, because they won't get out of their country if they don't do it, and their parents know that, so they school them rigorously.
The point of this is that it has nothing to do with the fact that they are asian, but everything to do with the fact that they are desperately poor, and they have parents who stress education.
Please dispute me if you really think this is an area of Nature over Nurture. But I'll take nurture almost every time.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> know people will probably pile in this thread and call me a racist.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I'm not going to call you a racist, I don't think you are one. However, I'm going to point out your horribly flawed logic on this one.
I'll start off by saying that I'm a computer science major at a public university who and I'm a pasty-white Jew.
Do asian kids "kill the curve" in these classes more that others mean that asians are "better with computers"? That is the question.
Maybe you took a statistics class in college too. There is a line that every stats teacher recites, and I'm sure you've heard it too:
correlation does not imply causation.
This means that we need to look deeper into why asians may be "killing the curve" in CompSci classes.
First, asians make up a tiny amount of the population of the united states. A couple percent. Yet they make up a much larger portion of college students. Does this mean that they are smarter. Racial quotas by the schools? Read on:
Most of the asian kids you see in your compsci classes come from poor countries where there are millions of people, and only a few will "make it" to America to study. They know the value of hard work, because they won't get out of their country if they don't do it, and their parents know that, so they school them rigorously.
The point of this is that it has nothing to do with the fact that they are asian, but everything to do with the fact that they are desperately poor, and they have parents who stress education.
Please dispute me if you really think this is an area of Nature over Nurture. But I'll take nurture almost every time.
while i would not say that it is an absolute by any means, i would say that certain people have advantages in certain areas. can all asians score higher than me on a computer science project...no. but the one's in my class always did. i came from a lower middle class background and i really wanted be the best. i just didn't have enough "right-brained" brain power to compete with these kids.
also, there have been many studies on the black athelete. a lot of these studies show that black atheletes tend to have a higher percentage on "fast twitch" muscle fibers than do white atheletes. it doesn't mean all blacks do or no whites do...it simply means the majority do.
therefore, on average, a black athelete is more likely to be able to out jump a white athelete. doesn't make him a better basketball player, but it does give him an advantage.
like i said before, i can work my ass off at shooting, passing, defense, positioning, etc...there is nothing i can do to dramatically increase my leaping ability. do you think that jordan and doctor j could dunk from the free throw line because they came from poor backgrounds and wanted it more than white players? or, were they blessed with unbelievable ability.
again, i am not saying they were naturally great players. i am a huge jordan fan and saw how hard he worked at his game and how much he wanted to be a champion. my point is that larry bird (who was a great player but not michael jordan) i'm sure wanted it just as bad, and i think came from a worse socio-economic situation than jordan (not totally sure on this), but was not blessed with the atheletic ability that jordan was.
i am not saying these are absolutes...i have seen plenty of black guys who can't play a lick, and there are white guys with a lot of atheletic ability (steve nash comes to mind). i'm saying that they are given an advantage (on average) that most white guys don't have.
[This message was edited by blue edwards on June 24, 2003 at 03:00 PM.]
also, there have been many studies on the black athelete. a lot of these studies show that black atheletes tend to have a higher percentage on "fast twitch" muscle fibers than do white atheletes. it doesn't mean all blacks do or no whites do...it simply means the majority do.
therefore, on average, a black athelete is more likely to be able to out jump a white athelete. doesn't make him a better basketball player, but it does give him an advantage.
like i said before, i can work my ass off at shooting, passing, defense, positioning, etc...there is nothing i can do to dramatically increase my leaping ability. do you think that jordan and doctor j could dunk from the free throw line because they came from poor backgrounds and wanted it more than white players? or, were they blessed with unbelievable ability.
again, i am not saying they were naturally great players. i am a huge jordan fan and saw how hard he worked at his game and how much he wanted to be a champion. my point is that larry bird (who was a great player but not michael jordan) i'm sure wanted it just as bad, and i think came from a worse socio-economic situation than jordan (not totally sure on this), but was not blessed with the atheletic ability that jordan was.
i am not saying these are absolutes...i have seen plenty of black guys who can't play a lick, and there are white guys with a lot of atheletic ability (steve nash comes to mind). i'm saying that they are given an advantage (on average) that most white guys don't have.
[This message was edited by blue edwards on June 24, 2003 at 03:00 PM.]
