Books that deal DUAL or more lines

[SrMuny]

What % do you beleive practice this? We all know that with the SOFTWARE available to the BOOKS, they can deal a different line to every customer if they wanted.

Most common is the practice of SQUARE/SHARP split. But I have know a few that profile players by where they are from. For example Everyone from TEXAS, will be dealt a SHADED line for the COWBOYS,TEXANS, MAVERICKS and so on.

What do you guys really beleive the % to be? In my OPINION, its around 95% or above.

 

[TheGeneral+]

Interesting post Muny. I would only be guessing. To bad we can't get the books to be upfront about this activity. I really do not have a problem with it. They hang a number and if I like it, I bet it. If I don't, then No big deal.

 

[Fishhead]

Precisely

 

[DarrylParsons]

It doesn't bother me if a book deals a dual line IF the practice is disclosed up front for all to see. They could deal a 50c line for all I care.

It DOES bother me when they LIE by saying to the public "These are our lines" but then certain people are told privately "whoops, not for you but shhh...don't tell anyone or we'll call you a follower and a steam-chaser".

It also doesn't bother me if I get to bet the line actually being quoted.

It DOES bother me when they quote a line, give me a confirmation screen with the same line, and then in the 5 seconds it takes me to confirm, they pull a switcheroo. And even then I can tolerate it if it happens about as often as lines normally change in an average 5-second interval. But when it happens about 100 times as often, then I have a beef.

Books can do whatever they want as far as I'm concerned if they are up front about it. But if they LIE and MISREPRESENT what they do, then they can count on getting their lies EXPOSED by me.

 

[TheGeneral+]

Give em hell Darryl.

Nothing wrong with paying attention

 

[BoratSagdiyev]

Good point Muny. Do you think it will matter in the long run? In other words do you think that that books who do this mind the negative publicity or does the benefit of dealing dual lines outweigh our bitchin and whinin.

 

[Fishhead]

Outweighs the bitchin and whinin -1500

 

[DarrylParsons]

In the short and medium terms it should outweigh the b+w but IMO most people can sense funny business with their subconscious and feel a certain force pulling them to the good books like Pinnacle. They may not even be able to articulate it and probably not even after reading it in black and white, but I have faith in the power of the subconscious and in the forces at work which will ultimately take things to a higher level.

 

[NickDouglas]

I am sure that multi-line books like Pinnacle and BoDog would strongly prefer that this discussion didn't come up. Obviously the benefits of tailoring lines for groups of players outweighs any negative backlash a book might get from players who don't like this practice. Still, among casual players the ones I talk to get very steamed when they learn that books are profiling them.

 

[DarrylParsons]

Nick,

Pinnacle has multi-lines!!?? For me their lines always match those on the Rx livelines page, which to me indicate that they are being fair (at least to me). Is that not the same in your experience?

 

[E-Z-$$]

Some multi-line books have different lines because they service retail or credit players and it's the agent who request a particular line set for games in the region players are from or even the difference between 10cent and 20cent lines in baseball. The book might one set of rules for their post up players and different rules for retail or credit players

 

[BoratSagdiyev]

That's a different story.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by E-Z-$$:
Some multi-line books have different lines because they service retail or credit players and it's the agent who request a particular line set for games in the region players are from or even the difference between 10cent and 20cent lines in baseball. The book might one set of rules for their post up players and different rules for retail or credit players<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

 

[NickDouglas]

Pinnacle, at least as of a couple of years ago (and I believe still to this day) has 4 sets of lines. One set for squares like me, one set for sharp and/or credit bettors over the phone, and two lines that are tailored specifically for two very large players. One of those players is a square, one is a sharp player.

They always deal the line posted on various line feeds (Rx, Best Bettor, etc.) when you are betting online. In that sense they are always fair. If you bet large enough to have to call in your wagers, you generally lose the discount (baseball lines go to 10 cents, spread bets go to -110). I am told that if you win enough money, they'll take you off reduced juice regardless.

I'm no insider so I guess you can take this for what it's worth, but I do listen closely when people who know what they are talking about share things with me.

 

[DarrylParsons]

Aha, I see, thanks for that info. So it looks like Pinnacle is being completely up-front and honest. I don't think they have anything to worry about by this topic being discussed. Bodog is another story, though.

 

[jimmyd]

just out of curiousity since bodog is notorious for dealing dual lines which one is being posted on rx live lines

 

[DarrylParsons]

Jimmy,

It's the "square" line, ie. the line given to those who usually bet favorites. If you shop for lines and only bet at Bodog when they have a better line than the rest, you will find that you will be pretty much always betting dogs there. This is because they deliberately inflate the dog prices to screw you if you want the favorite. If you want the dog on the other hand, they will let you get away with it a few times but if you do it regularly they will start giving you their "sharp" line in which the dog is no longer attractive. They will even implant a cookie into your computer so it happens automatically. You will just notice that the lines you are being shown are not the same as the livelines screen. They hope you will blame the Rx for showing the wrong line. What they don't hope is that a guy like me will tell you what's really going on.

 

[jimmyd]

thanks d.p. being mostly a dog player i guess i won't waste my time and effort with bodog assuming that the sharp lines are probably pretty vanilla, donbest-follower type numbers that you can get at a dozen other shops

 

[DarrylParsons]

Right. That's exactly what it is .

 

[LucaBrasi]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Darryl Parsons:
They will even implant a cookie into your computer so it happens automatically. You will just notice that the lines you are being shown are not the same as the livelines screen. They hope you will blame the Rx for showing the wrong line. What they don't hope is that a guy like me will tell you what's really going on.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

bastards.....

 

[SrMuny]

My take is this. These BOOKS love to SHADE the PUBLIC. WHY? The SQAURES are gonna LOSE anyway. Why risk pissin of the others over this.

Earky on I worked at a BOOK that dealt 1 line and out of all of them, that BOOK made the most.

They had MOSNTER decisions, sweated them all, and when it was said and done they cleaned house. Wish there was more BOOKS like that these days.

I just dont understand the thinking of trying to take advantage of a SQUARE, WTF at the end of the year they will lose what they lose regardless.