Big increase in teacher vacancies

[go2guy]

The problems are several. The curriculums are awful ; students for the most part fail to understand the purpose of education; the majority of teachers can't teach and are boring, incompetent and protected by liberal unions.

What makes you an authority on curriculum or teacher evaluation for that matter? I am convinced you are just here to stir shit and have no real life. What are your credentials? You never know when you open your trap who is lurking and actually is an authority on matters like this. Ok go ahead and continue with your ignorance. :lolBIG:

 

[stacilu]

The problems are several. The curriculums are awful ; students for the most part fail to understand the purpose of education; the majority of teachers can't teach and are boring, incompetent and protected by liberal unions.

You don't know what the f... you are talking about. Did you ever
teach? I doubt it. "majority of teachers can't teach" what an
incredibly stupid comment. I would say that the majority of
your teachers couldn't teach. You are one ignorant person.

 

[winningstreak]

I teach at a large high school in pa. One of the biggest problems is IEP's. It is impossible for a teacher to meet the individual education needs of all students if you have 35 students in a class. Many students who are labeled as problem students/ troublemaker are categorized as special ed and therefore are given extra rights that normal students do not have. The student can call a teacher a fucking asshole to there face and not get suspended because they can only be suspended 10 times a year. They need to save the suspensions for worst violations like fighting.

I still love teaching but this type of behavior takes the enthusiasm out of you at times. I go back to teach on Wed. Thank god for the summer break to renew the passion. Without summer break there would be more teacher nervous breakdown, burn out or assault on students.

 

[bblight]

Jinn - the facts are that my parents were both Democrats, and so was I until I saw the truth. Like Ronnie Reagan said - I didn't leave the Democrat Party, the Democrat Party left me!"

The Teachers unions and the ACLU have just about stripped the classroom of any semblance of discipline. The criminals disrupt the classroom and bully other students - and teachers are just about powerless to do anything abut it.

stacilu - In the USA, the teachers have been allowed to set the curricula - and look at the result - failure after failure - but the teachers unions are rich. People like you say that the problem is money - higher teachers pay, more administrators, etc., etc. when the actual problems are quite simple - restore classroom discipline, set teacher and student expectations and remove the trouble makers from the classroom.

stacilu - you said to me "How is it that you seem to be an expert on every issue that is discussed?" Facts are that I'm not an expert - but I do have an opinion and I do know how to read. The problem is that I don't agree with you and you can't rationally refute my arguments.

People like you gave us the Great Society and its been downhill ever since.

As for bad parents - there have always been bad parents - and there always will be bad parents - but there used to be minimal levels of expectations of students and a level of responsibility expected of both parents and students.

The left trots out the same tired answers every time the superior students produced by parochial schools is mentioned. But what about the public school system from the 50's and 60's? Good students were produced in the inner cities as well as the suburbs - what answers do you have for that?

The fact is that the liberals took control of the schools back in the 80's and it's been a living horror show for those poor students trying to make a go of it - and it's been failure for the borderline students who may have made it if someone held a paddle over their behinds - oh yes. that's abuse isn't it!

If the left wanted to try something new to help students and teachers, I'd be all for it - but all that they want to do is more of the same old, same old! They fight every new idea and innovation that comes along. They don't want change and they've therefore doomed many poor students to a life of poverty and minimum wage jobs!

 

[stacilu]

Winning


IEP's are a problem for the mainstream teacher. And you are right
many times adminstration will use them to label a kid as special when
all he really needs is a kick in the ass. Don't get me wrong, I don't
believe kids should be beat. But they should be accountable and
right now they are not. The main problem is they don't have
to worry about consequences. They may say and do almost
anything. This has to be changed and until it is changed the
individual teacher must help himself. I found out the the threat
of arrest and the actual occassional arrest for harassment is
a tool that can be used with some success.

I suggest that when you return to school on Wednesday you should
include the threat of arrest in your first lecture about discipline.
Some kids will say "you can't arrest me for misbehaving," your
answer will be I can arrest you for harassing me on my job. And
you can. Then keep a journal on every kid and his misbehavior,
when you feel he is close to a visit to the magistrate take him/her
aside and tell them. This way you will have plenty of ammunition
to take to court. However, you probably should wait until you
have tenure before you use this strategy. You might get some
bs from administatiion about going over their head. Too bad,
if they aren't doing their job your must do something to keep your
sanity.

 

[stacilu]

Jinn - the facts are that my parents were both Democrats, and so was I until I saw the truth. Like Ronnie Reagan said - I didn't leave the Democrat Party, the Democrat Party left me!"

The Teachers unions and the ACLU have just about stripped the classroom of any semblance of discipline. The criminals disrupt the classroom and bully other students - and teachers are just about powerless to do anything abut it.

stacilu - In the USA, the teachers have been allowed to set the curricula - and look at the result - failure after failure - but the teachers unions are rich. People like you say that the problem is money - higher teachers pay, more administrators, etc., etc. when the actual problems are quite simple - restore classroom discipline, set teacher and student expectations and remove the trouble makers from the classroom.

stacilu - you said to me "How is it that you seem to be an expert on every issue that is discussed?" Facts are that I'm not an expert - but I do have an opinion and I do know how to read. The problem is that I don't agree with you and you can't rationally refute my arguments.

People like you gave us the Great Society and its been downhill ever since.

As for bad parents - there have always been bad parents - and there always will be bad parents - but there used to be minimal levels of expectations of students and a level of responsibility expected of both parents and students.

The left trots out the same tired answers every time the superior students produced by parochial schools is mentioned. But what about the public school system from the 50's and 60's? Good students were produced in the inner cities as well as the suburbs - what answers do you have for that?

The fact is that the liberals took control of the schools back in the 80's and it's been a living horror show for those poor students trying to make a go of it - and it's been failure for the borderline students who may have made it if someone held a paddle over their behinds - oh yes. that's abuse isn't it!

If the left wanted to try something new to help students and teachers, I'd be all for it - but all that they want to do is more of the same old, same old! They fight every new idea and innovation that comes along. They don't want change and they've therefore doomed many poor students to a life of poverty and minimum wage jobs!

I have refuted you and proved you wrong on so many occassions. You
just refuse to remember. I will do it again, right now. You claim that teachers set the curricula, that simply is not true in most cases. The school board does that. And I never said money is the problem and higher
teacher pay. That is another misquote or outright lie by you. Also,
please tell the readers how the teachers union has stripped the classroom
of discipline. Another really stupid comment, the union is doing everything
they can to address discipline. You simply make inaccurate statements and
try to have people believe them. Concerning parochial students out performing public school kids. That is another twisted fact, compare the private school kids with the elite in public school and then we will have a fair comparison. Because after all the private school kids are also the elite. They pick the students they want and toss the kids they don't want. Almost everything you say is either wrong, a lie or a distortion of the truth. Tell me how can any one of us take anything you say seriously? Your solution is always the
same blame the left, blame the liberal you are so simple?

 

[Coldweather]

You don't know what the f... you are talking about. Did you ever
teach? I doubt it. "majority of teachers can't teach" what an
incredibly stupid comment. I would say that the majority of
your teachers couldn't teach. You are one ignorant person.

Someone expresses a different point of view than yours and you resort to name calling. Sound's like you have been in school to long!

 

[stacilu]

Oh and btw, you are blaming teachers for students not
learning and only getting minimum wage jobs. What happened
to your "self-responsibility" you see Mr. Blight most kids fail
because they didn't apply themselves properly. Now try
to refute that after I have witnessed it for over 30 years.
Most teachers, yes most are good teachers and some are
great teachers. Of course, education has their share of
bums just like every field. This is such a given I can't believe
I have to explain it to you. But with you if every single
aspect isn't completely explained you just don't get it or
distort the truth. Go to a typical high school and sit in
a class for a week. Better yet, sit in a dozen classes and
maybe you will change your mind. Why, do you belive all
the bs spewed by the conservatives? Can't you think for
yourself, once in a while. I have yet to read anything from
you that exhibits independent thinking, always the same old
shit.

 

[Coldweather]

What makes you an authority on curriculum or teacher evaluation for that matter? I am convinced you are just here to stir shit and have no real life. What are your credentials? You never know when you open your trap who is lurking and actually is an authority on matters like this. Ok go ahead and continue with your ignorance. :lolBIG:

Sounds like you never took homework seriously. Ignorant ? I think not. I'm not ignorant. Stay cool. Chill a bit.

 

[stacilu]

Someone expresses a different point of view than yours and you resort to name calling. Sound's like you have been in school to long!

Your opinion isn't based on facts. I am just trying to educate you
and sometimes you must get the students attention. It would be
nice if you would do some research before you form such an
opinionated opinion. When you don't your argument turns to shit.

 

[Coldweather]

Your opinion isn't based on facts. I am just trying to educate you
and sometimes you must get the students attention. It would be
nice if you would do some research before you form such an
opinionated opinion. When you don't your argument turns to shit.

Oh ! Thanks for your teaching points. It should help me a lot !

 

[stacilu]

Oh ! Thanks for your teaching points. It should help me a lot !

You are very welcome my misinformed friend.

 

[go2guy]

Jinn - the facts are that my parents were both Democrats, and so was I until I saw the truth. Like Ronnie Reagan said - I didn't leave the Democrat Party, the Democrat Party left me!"

The Teachers unions and the ACLU have just about stripped the classroom of any semblance of discipline. The criminals disrupt the classroom and bully other students - and teachers are just about powerless to do anything abut it.

stacilu - In the USA, the teachers have been allowed to set the curricula - and look at the result - failure after failure - but the teachers unions are rich. People like you say that the problem is money - higher teachers pay, more administrators, etc., etc. when the actual problems are quite simple - restore classroom discipline, set teacher and student expectations and remove the trouble makers from the classroom.




stacilu - you said to me "How is it that you seem to be an expert on every issue that is discussed?" Facts are that I'm not an expert - but I do have an opinion and I do know how to read. The problem is that I don't agree with you and you can't rationally refute my arguments.

People like you gave us the Great Society and its been downhill ever since.

As for bad parents - there have always been bad parents - and there always will be bad parents - but there used to be minimal levels of expectations of students and a level of responsibility expected of both parents and students.

The left trots out the same tired answers every time the superior students produced by parochial schools is mentioned. But what about the public school system from the 50's and 60's? Good students were produced in the inner cities as well as the suburbs - what answers do you have for that?

The fact is that the liberals took control of the schools back in the 80's and it's been a living horror show for those poor students trying to make a go of it - and it's been failure for the borderline students who may have made it if someone held a paddle over their behinds - oh yes. that's abuse isn't it!

If the left wanted to try something new to help students and teachers, I'd be all for it - but all that they want to do is more of the same old, same old! They fight every new idea and innovation that comes along. They don't want change and they've therefore doomed many poor students to a life of poverty and minimum wage jobs!

You dumb ass! Why would teachers unions want the discipline structure to lessen or disappear at schools? A reasonable discipline structure helps a teacher. So why in the fuck would the union that represent the teachers want that? I thought your whole routine in the politics forum was an act but you really are dumb as your post indicate.

 

[stacilu]

You dumb ass! Why would teachers unions want the discipline structure to lessen or disappear at schools? A reasonable discipline structure helps a teacher. So why in the fuck would the union that represent the teachers want that? I thought your whole routine in the politics forum was an act but you really are dumb as your post indicate.

Go to

Exactly right, this guy simply makes up stories to support his
bs. Only common sense that the teachers unions would want
better discipline


No it is not an act, he really is that stupid.
But, he isn't alone he has a ton of company with
game face leading the pack.

 

[go2guy]

Winning


IEP's are a problem for the mainstream teacher. And you are right
many times adminstration will use them to label a kid as special when
all he really needs is a kick in the ass. Don't get me wrong, I don't
believe kids should be beat. But they should be accountable and
right now they are not. The main problem is they don't have
to worry about consequences. They may say and do almost
anything. This has to be changed and until it is changed the
individual teacher must help himself. I found out the the threat
of arrest and the actual occassional arrest for harassment is
a tool that can be used with some success.

I suggest that when you return to school on Wednesday you should
include the threat of arrest in your first lecture about discipline.
Some kids will say "you can't arrest me for misbehaving," your
answer will be I can arrest you for harassing me on my job. And
you can. Then keep a journal on every kid and his misbehavior,
when you feel he is close to a visit to the magistrate take him/her
aside and tell them. This way you will have plenty of ammunition
to take to court. However, you probably should wait until you
have tenure before you use this strategy. You might get some
bs from administatiion about going over their head. Too bad,
if they aren't doing their job your must do something to keep your
sanity.

With many school districts adopting, if they haven't already, the idea of "mainstreaming" students in with the general population. It leaves many teachers in a difficult position. Back when I was in school, any student with "special needs" were gone most of the day from the general pop. and came back near the end of the day for dismissal (not saying it was right necessarily but that's a whole other debate). Not anymore because of inclusion. It's bad enough that they aren't enough Special Ed. and ESOL teachers for many school districts but now the burden lies more than every on classroom teachers to comply with, for an example 2 I.E.P.s, a couple of 504s thrown in there while taking anecdotal notes for a child that has been identified and don't forget because of our ever increasing Hispanic population, a couple of kids that are new to America and can't speak a lick of English. This is just an example of what a teacher may have to face on a day in day out basis.

 

[bblight]

Oh and btw, you are blaming teachers for students not
learning and only getting minimum wage jobs. What happened to your "self-responsibility" you see Mr. Blight most kids failbecause they didn't apply themselves properly.... I have yet to read anything from you that exhibits independent thinking, always the same old shit.

And you prove my point!

Many kids won't apply themselves unless thay absolutely have to - and then they'll only do the minimum expected of them. The lower you set the bar, the less toe kids will apply themselves.

The problem ain't with the kids - the problem is with a system that allows the criminals and disruptive punks to flourish while the borderlline kids wilt and perish.

You're the one who doesn't have a clue - I wonder if you were really as good as you think you were? How many poor and borderline kids were able to grow and bloom under your tender care? For some reason, I don't think there were a lot of them.

 

[go2guy]

Oh and btw, you are blaming teachers for students not
learning and only getting minimum wage jobs. What happened
to your "self-responsibility" you see Mr. Blight most kids fail
because they didn't apply themselves properly. Now try
to refute that after I have witnessed it for over 30 years.
Most teachers, yes most are good teachers and some are
great teachers. Of course, education has their share of
bums just like every field. This is such a given I can't believe
I have to explain it to you. But with you if every single
aspect isn't completely explained you just don't get it or
distort the truth. Go to a typical high school and sit in
a class for a week. Better yet, sit in a dozen classes and
maybe you will change your mind. Why, do you belive all
the bs spewed by the conservatives? Can't you think for
yourself, once in a while. I have yet to read anything from
you that exhibits independent thinking, always the same old
shit.

By reading his posts, I doubt he has ever set foot in a classroom.

 

[stacilu]

With many school districts adopting, if they haven't already, the idea of "mainstreaming" students in with the general population. It leaves many teachers in a difficult position. Back when I was in school, any student with "special needs" were gone most of the day from the general pop. and came back near the end of the day for dismissal (not saying it was right necessarily but that's a whole other debate). Not anymore because of inclusion. It's bad enough that they aren't enough Special Ed. and ESOL teachers for many school districts but now the burden lies more than every on classroom teachers to comply with, for an example 2 I.E.P.s, a couple of 504s thrown in there while taking anecdotal notes for a child that has been identified and don't forget because of our ever increasing Hispanic population, a couple of kids that are new to America and can't speak a lick of English. This is just an example of what a teacher may have to face on a day in day out basis.

Yes, and the problem with that is most of the classroom teachers
have no or little training in special ed and sometimes teachers are
given ESOL assignments without speaking the language. Many problems
facing education and different and imaginative ideas will be necessary.
Maybe we should test and test these kids that haven't mastered English,
what do you think??? Toss them in with every kid and test, test
test.

I will tell you this, I do not envy a new teacher. Saying that my
son will be starting his second year in a couple of weeks.

 

[stacilu]

And you prove my point!

Many kids won't apply themselves unless thay absolutely have to - and then they'll only do the minimum expected of them. The lower you set the bar, the less toe kids will apply themselves.

The problem ain't with the kids - the problem is with a system that allows the criminals and disruptive punks to flourish while the borderlline kids wilt and perish.

You're the one who doesn't have a clue - I wonder if you were really as good as you think you were? How many poor and borderline kids were able to grow and bloom under your tender care? For some reason, I don't think there were a lot of them.

Again, you would be wrong, I pride myself in the fact that I reached
not only the bright but the not so bright also. You make alot of guesses
that are always off base. You have some nerve.

 

[groundhog11]

Stacilu: I agree with several of your comments...I teach middle school science and have similar problems as you...


IEP's ...I have several different ones per class..504s..
My classes were overloaded...I had around 30-32 students per class...
I have a lot of Hispanic students that were placed in my class that can't speak English...I would have to spend time taching in both ENglish/Spanish...I have no backing by the administration...Kids can sit there and cuss all day long but the principal would just send them back to class with a soda or something...All it would do is get everyone wanting to get kicked out so they could go to the principals office...
The most discourging fact would be that I have 25 kids in class that would want to learn...then 3-5 kids that do not care..would disrupt the other kids constantly...There was not much I could do ....Principal would send them back to class and they cont. like before disrupting...Half of the kids parents don't care and change there phone on a weekly basis....IT is just tough sometimes....