I posted a fully documented 72% right here in this forum last year.
2008 Week 1 Plays
2008 Week 2 Plays (7-1 YTD)
2008 Week 3 Plays (11-1 YTD)
2008 Week 4 Plays (12-3 YTD)
2008 Week 5 Plays (14-4 YTD)
2008 Week 6 Plays (17-4 81% YTD)
2008 Week 7 Plays (18-6 75% YTD)
2008 Week 8 Plays (19-8 70% YTD)
2008 Week 9 Plays (21-8-2 72% YTD)
2008 Week 1 Plays
2008 Week 2 Plays (7-1 YTD)
2008 Week 3 Plays (11-1 YTD)
2008 Week 4 Plays (12-3 YTD)
2008 Week 5 Plays (14-4 YTD)
2008 Week 6 Plays (17-4 81% YTD)
2008 Week 7 Plays (18-6 75% YTD)
2008 Week 8 Plays (19-8 70% YTD)
2008 Week 9 Plays (21-8-2 72% YTD)
ace-ace. sammy and the jackal had a system for cfb, but also for nfl
http://therxforum.com/showthread.php?t=634891&highlight=jackal+system
http://therxforum.com/showthread.php?t=634891&highlight=jackal+system
Well, if we're going to be touting our own horn here, ahem, I was +42 average size bets through week 7 last year before starting my service. I ended up +139.8 average size bets for the season. I had 5 for 5 consecutive winning seasons in the NFL here at TheRx. I'm not sure that anyone can match the +units I've posted here at TheRx. Generally I'm pretty modest, but I'm just sayin'! lol
Let me say, this is nothing personal. But this touches a nerve I have with this business of sharing "units" but not actual W-L records, which is a practice many touts do. In general, I feel guys who discuss their "+ units" do so because they don't have the win percentage to impress anyone.
Generally I think there are two main reasons a person would use "+ units" rather than a simple universal win percentage to describe their success:
1. To cover losses. So there is a tout who goes 1-3 (25%) to start the season, each play worth 5 units. So at the end of the week, they are down -5.45 units. The next week, they come out with a 20 unit play which wins, and two 5 unit plays that lose. So although they are really 2-5 (40%) they still will claim to be "+ units" on the season. But really, who in their right mind would find that to be "good"? Someone who went 1-3 and 1-2 but is up units? After a few weeks of that, they guys paying for his plays will not be slamming the 20 unit plays because they have little confidence, and that is how regular guys get screwed following touts who claim to be "+ units" yet are down on the season. A guy could tell you he is up 111 units, and could be 50-40 (56%) w/ 2 unit plays, or 80-40 (67%) w/ 1 unit plays, or even 40-60 (40%) by covering losses/chasing. It tells you nothing about his ability to win consistently.
2. To chase. It always ensures they could get back into the game, by simply playing martingale-esque units. Down 30 units YTD? Bring out a 50 unit play that you "love". Down 50 units YTD? Start regularly playing 50 unit bets to get back in the game. It makes zero sense for any regular player to follow the tout at that point, and the only one who "saves face" is the tout.
That's why W-L record is the ultimate leveling stick and the ultimate benchmark. Its why the top contests like the Hilton or Stations use W/L to determine their champions. Because you can't cover up and "be something" you aren't. You either can win more than than you lose at a certain rate (e.g. win percentage) or you can't.
Which is why I hate touts who don't share thir W/L record and only share units. That speaks volumes right away.
Last season, my complete record was 80-40 (67%). I could say I was up 50 units, 200 units, or 500 units if I used units. But what looks best is that 67% after 120 plays. Because everyone who sees it knows how difficult it is to achieve. Being up "200 units" on the season does not come close.
Okay -- nothing personal, but I'm quoted? lol. First of all, I think you are one of the few good cappers who splits his help between a service and this forum. Secondly, I mis-slip the word "unit" once at the end of my paragraph and the beast is unleashed! Funny thing is, I agree with most of what you say. I never track my record in units. I track it in +/- average size bets. Which, as long as your bets are fairly similar in size, which mine always are, is a very good way to track a record. Tracking by W/L is similar, as it gives you the number of bets you are ahead if you are flat betting. Well, flat betting isn't optimal, so if you're not flat betting a pure W/L record doesn't tell you exactly how the bankroll has fared. And ultimately, the W/L record is not the best measure of success, the amount of $$$ won (relative to the amount wagered on average, once could argue) is. As a service now, I wouldn't even have commented in this thread -- but I saw you broke the ice, so I did, stating nothing but the truth. I would have thought you'd been around long enough to know I'm not a unit-slinging whore. Seriously. So let's keep the professional jealousy at less than a simmer between us, aight? 
Crunch - nothing personal. I put quotes around "+ units" because it, as you know, is so common in the tout world. Not because you said that you personally were +units. And I'm not sure of this "professional jealously", we've never had any interactions that I am aware of = you do your thing and I do mine. Just hearing the topic of being "up units" is what sparked my response. I would have wrote the exact same response whether you said it, DukeSnider, Computer Group, or any other person on here.
But I do disagree with your comment: "ultimately, the W/L record is not the best measure of success, the amount of $$$ won (relative to the amount wagered on average, once could argue) is."
The reason being, I think most regular players who follow a tout follow their selections. They do not follow the exact "units" posted to a "T". They play the games how they see best, in terms of what they can afford. Which is why each client will be "up" or "down" different amounts of money at the end of the season. The tout could say he is up 100 units, client A would be up 20 units and client B 30. And each is a different % of their BR, thus, each has a different sense of success.
Which is to my point, that saying how many "units" a tout is up is much less relevant to how "reliable and successful" a tout is than how many games they can win vs. lose. You did allude to a valid point (Return on Investment) which is a good measure of success as well. Still, nothing is as naked and telling as a person's W-L record, which is why any tout who hides from it behind stars or units, I think we can agree, is shady.
But I do disagree with your comment: "ultimately, the W/L record is not the best measure of success, the amount of $$$ won (relative to the amount wagered on average, once could argue) is."
The reason being, I think most regular players who follow a tout follow their selections. They do not follow the exact "units" posted to a "T". They play the games how they see best, in terms of what they can afford. Which is why each client will be "up" or "down" different amounts of money at the end of the season. The tout could say he is up 100 units, client A would be up 20 units and client B 30. And each is a different % of their BR, thus, each has a different sense of success.
Which is to my point, that saying how many "units" a tout is up is much less relevant to how "reliable and successful" a tout is than how many games they can win vs. lose. You did allude to a valid point (Return on Investment) which is a good measure of success as well. Still, nothing is as naked and telling as a person's W-L record, which is why any tout who hides from it behind stars or units, I think we can agree, is shady.
I agree with AI on this one. A guy can feel real strong about a particular game and bet the house for 1000 units and that's his only win. He might play 100 units a game for 5 other games, lose those and still be up 500 units. I agree that it is about winning dollars but if you're up 500 units however went 1-5 for the week, not impressed.
Having said that, I think both of you are good cappers, just rather see the W/L %....just sayin.
Jefferson-sports.com hit 66% in NFL last year and all plays were posted. He claims he was third in the Hilton contest with 64% winners a couple of years ago. I challenged that by asking the code name and real name behind the desk at the Hilton. It checked out and he cashed out 60,000. That is good documentation. Thought I would pass that on.
The Hilton is the biggest handicapping contest I'm aware of.
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The Hilton is the biggest handicapping contest I'm aware of.
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