BCS Debate

[fballplaya]

He is just my opinion and my opinion onlyh as to how this BCS fiasco is going to shake out....


BCS Title Game:

Texas vs Florida

How: Florida beats Bama (closer then people think). Oklahoma squaks by Texas Tech, thus creating a 3-way tie for Big XII South. Team with highest BCS ranking of the tie between Texas, Tech & Oklahoma goes to Big XII championship game. Texas rolls Mizzou and goes to BCS title game.

Rose Bowl:

USC vs Penn St.

How: The team that smoked Oregon St plays the team who got squashed by Oregon St. Oregon St will slip up in one of their remaining games thus opening the door for USC in the Rose Bowl. Penn St beats Mich St. and shares Big XI title with Ohio St. Goes to Rose Bowl via tie-breaker.

Orange Bowl:

ACC Champ: North Carolina
Big East Champ: Pittsburgh

How: The winners of these two conferences will end up here in the most likely scenario. Could be Florida St, could be West Virginia or even Cincinnati. ACC Champ automatically goes to Orange Bowl. Orange Bowl gets final choice of at large teams.

Sugar Bowl:

Alabama vs Ohio St.

How: As the second SEC choice Bama gets the nod here after their Conference championship game loss to Florida. With each conference getting no more then 2 teams in a BCS game, either Texas Tech or Oklahoma get left out of the mix, thus opening the door for Ohio St.

Fiesta Bowl:

Oklahoma vs Utah

How: With the Big XII champ (Texas) going to the Nat'l title game, the Fiesta bowl takes the next best team from the Big XII....Oklahoma. Undefeated Utah gets the nod here over Boise St.

Left on the outside looking in: 1-loss Texas Tech and undefeated Boise St and Ball St.

Texas Tech will play in theCotton Bowl
Bosie St will play in the Humanitarian Bowl
Ball St will play in the Motor City bowl

Of course Texas Tech and Bama will both win out and really throw a wrench into the whole equation....

 

[GoSooners]

I'm really not sure why everybody thinks just because there is a three way tie in the Big 12 that it's going to automatically go to Texas. I'm sure the human polls are probably going to vote Texas by a slim margin. But the computer poll will certainly favor an OU team who had to play a #22 TCU and #25 Cincy (probable Big East winner) teams before they even started conference play. Texas didn't have anywhere close to this tough of OOC schedule, and I think it's going to hurt them down the stretch. Especially since they've already played the higher ranked Big 12 teams, and OU has yet to play a top 20 Texas Tech and OSU teams, which if the Sooners win those games could and probably will cause them to jump Texas in the polls. It's going to be close...Real close

 

[fballplaya]

I'm really not sure why everybody thinks just because there is a three way tie in the Big 12 that it's going to automatically go to Texas. I'm sure the human polls are probably going to vote Texas by a slim margin. But the computer poll will certainly favor an OU team who had to play a #22 TCU and #25 Cincy teams before they even started conference play. Texas didn't have anywhere close to this tough of OOC schedule, and I think it's going to hurt them down the stretch. Especially since they've already played the higher ranked Big 12 teams, and OU has yet to play a top 20 Texas Tech and OSU teams, which if the Sooners win those games could and probably will cause them to jump Texas in the polls. It's going to be close...Real close

I think OU has to smash both Tech and Okie St in order to pass Texas. Don't forget, Texas beat OU head to head and they were decidedly better IMO. Should be a fun final few weeks.

 

[GoSooners]

I think OU has to smash both Tech and Okie St in order to pass Texas. Don't forget, Texas beat OU head to head and they were decidedly better IMO. Should be a fun final few weeks.

Well, I disagree that they were decidely better. But that's neither here nor there. The facts are that if there is a head to head with OU & Texas then Texas goes. But if it's a three way tie then OU will have the best chance of being the highest rated BCS team. You could say Texas has a legit argument to get there. But so does Texas Tech since they beat Texas head to head. But the BCS computers don't have these kinds of feelings. They go by strength of schedule. And OU has the best SOS of the three teams.

 

[fballplaya]

Well, I disagree that they were decidely better. But that's neither here nor there. The facts are that if there is a head to head with OU & Texas then Texas goes. But if it's a three way tie then OU will have the best chance of being the highest rated BCS team. You could say Texas has a legit argument to get there. But so does Texas Tech since they beat Texas head to head. But the BCS computers don't have these kinds of feelings. They go by strength of schedule. And OU has the best SOS of the three teams.

The SOS will be only part of it. Style points and head-to-head to Texas will outweigh in my opinon. Good luck though. I like Bob Stoops. Met him this summer. He is an Ohio guy and took literally 20mins out of his day just to BS football with me. Class act.

 

[GoSooners]

Texas better hurry with the style points. They haven't looked very good the last couple of games.

 

[fballplaya]

Texas better hurry with the style points. They haven't looked very good the last couple of games.

Good point. SHould be fun to watch down the stretch.

 

[sarcean]

Once upon a time ago, I used to think that the NCAA was foolish for not having a playoff system in college football. Now, despite what President elect Obama says, I think that college football has struck gold with the BCS. What other system out there has the fans of the top-15 programs literally hanging on to the edges of their seats each week?

Penn State's loss to Iowa wouldn't be crushing if there were a playoff

Alabama vs. Florida in the SEC Championship game would be a snoozer if both teams had clinched a playoff spot.

Ditto for Oklahoma, Texas, and Texas Tech. As it stands, the Big-12 is in for a heck of stretch drive.

USC's loss to Oregon State is TITANIC without a playoff, but only a shoulder shrug if the Trojans were a lock to qualify for a postseason bid.

Whatever money the NCAA would stand to gain with an 8 team playoff, they would lose in the lost build-up of the October-December games. I have completely changed my mind on the proposed playoff system. The NCAA would be fools to get rid of the BCS. This is like a 4-month soap opera, with every major and regional media outlet hinging on its every move.

 

[GoSooners]

I like Bob Stoops. Met him this summer. He is an Ohio guy and took literally 20mins out of his day just to BS football with me. Class act.

Something many people don't know about him is how much time and effort Bob Stoops gives on his own time to humanitarian efforts and charity. I admire him more for this than anything else, because he does most of this on his own without any publicity. I only found out about it from a friend of the Stoops family.

 

[Conan]

Once upon a time ago, I used to think that the NCAA was foolish for not having a playoff system in college football. Now, despite what President elect Obama says, I think that college football has struck gold with the BCS. What other system out there has the fans of the top-15 programs literally hanging on to the edges of their seats each week?

Penn State's loss to Iowa wouldn't be crushing if there were a playoff

Alabama vs. Florida in the SEC Championship game would be a snoozer if both teams had clinched a playoff spot.

Ditto for Oklahoma, Texas, and Texas Tech. As it stands, the Big-12 is in for a heck of stretch drive.

USC's loss to Oregon State is TITANIC without a playoff, but only a shoulder shrug if the Trojans were a lock to qualify for a postseason bid.

Whatever money the NCAA would stand to gain with an 8 team playoff, they would lose in the lost build-up of the October-December games. I have completely changed my mind on the proposed playoff system. The NCAA would be fools to get rid of the BCS. This is like a 4-month soap opera, with every major and regional media outlet hinging on its every move.

Sorry, but I'd much prefer to see all the controversy settled on the field. Get rid of the BCS completely. Get on with setting up a playoff system and then lets have the drama about all of this happen at the end of the season, not at the beginning, in the middle or in the polls. The BCS bowls could easily be adapted to a playoff scenario with perhaps 5 or 6 rotating the semis and the finals. Conference tie-ins wouldn't hurt as part of the playoff bowls scenario. Stretch most of it into January.

 

[fballplaya]

Something many people don't know about him is how much time and effort Bob Stoops gives on his own time to humanitarian efforts and charity. I admire him more for this than anything else, because he does most of this on his own without any publicity. I only found out about it from a friend of the Stoops family.

Here's a Jim Tressel story you might appreicate....

Tyson Gentry is a kid who played for the buckeyes who broke his neck (and is paralyzed) in the spring game (I believe) a couple seasons back. Everyday, the kid works out at the WHAC (Woody Hayes Athletic Center). Coach Tress alsways stops and talks to him and sees him using the same machine everyday to assist in his rehabilitation. Coach Tress asked him why he used that paticular piece of equipment everyday. Gentry told Tress it was because it provided him the best range of motion and was the best piece of equipment in order to help his rehab. The problem he told Tress, was that he always had to wait 45mins to an hour to use it because it was such a popular piece of equipment.

The next day (or a day or two later) Gentry got back to his house and in his garage (forgive me if their are any inaccuracies) was the same piece of equipment with a note from Coach Tress saying "now you don't have to wait."

Class act. Calss class act. Great story.

 

[YourAllAmerican]

If both Texas and OU were to win out it would be a real squeaker as to which team would be ranked higher in the BCS. Bob Stoops has been doing all he can in recent weeks to make an impression, piling on points in a crazy way. His plan seems to be working, with the Sooners having climbed above Texas in that ridiculous Coaches' Poll (don't get me started on just how wrong that is).

What Texas has going for them is a sizeable lead in strength of schedule. Sagarin has Texas ranked as 8th hardest and OU at 43. It could come down to one edging the other by a fraction of a point.

Of course if Tech says blazing hot and wins their remaining games all that speculation means nothing.

I'm with you on thinking a playoff would lessen college football, sarcean. To my way of thinking one already exists and has been going on since late August. One of the things I love about Division I college football is that every game is important. There are no meaningless contests. Teams must be close to perfect throughout the entire run of the season in order to have a chance at a national title. A single loss puts their chances in doubt. Two losses (with the single exception of a freak season last year) eliminates them entirely.

With a playoff the best teams would have very little incentive to go all out for a dozen games. There is little in sports more boring than the final two or three regular season NFL games for a team that has already clinched a playoff spot. I prefer the much more stringent demands of college's ranking sytem. Over its history it's proven much more likely to reward the team that was strongest from start to finish.

 

[GoSooners]

If both Texas and OU were to win out it would be a real squeaker as to which team would be ranked higher in the BCS. Bob Stoops has been doing all he can in recent weeks to make an impression, piling on points in a crazy way. His plan seems to be working, with the Sooners having climbed above Texas in that ridiculous Coaches' Poll (don't get me started on just how wrong that is).

What Texas has going for them is a sizeable lead in strength of schedule. Sagarin has Texas ranked as 8th hardest and OU at 43. It could come down to one edging the other by a fraction of a point.

Of course if Tech says blazing hot and wins their remaining games all that speculation means nothing.

AA...If OU beats TT and OSU it brings their strength of schedule up to or better than Texas SOS. But this could all be a mute point on several fronts. I would say that the team that has the best chance to make it to the Big 12 CCG is Texas Tech. They can get there two ways. If they beat OU. Or if they lose to OU and then OU loses to OSU in Stillwater, which is a real possibilty. That leaves Texas and TT left with one loss. And TT goes because of the head to head win over Texas. It's going to get interesting in the next few weeks.

 

[AR_23]

Texas better hurry with the style points. They haven't looked very good the last couple of games.

KU will look like fools. Beat Baylor convincingly l/w.. they need TT to lose to get their style points

 

[robinr1]

Well, I disagree that they were decidely better. But that's neither here nor there. The facts are that if there is a head to head with OU & Texas then Texas goes. But if it's a three way tie then OU will have the best chance of being the highest rated BCS team. You could say Texas has a legit argument to get there. But so does Texas Tech since they beat Texas head to head. But the BCS computers don't have these kinds of feelings. They go by strength of schedule. And OU has the best SOS of the three teams.

your last sentence is incorrect right now and imo will be incorrect season end.

 

[GoSooners]

your last sentence is incorrect right now and imo will be incorrect season end.

Right now OU doesn't have it. But after they play two top 20 teams in succesive weeks they WILL have the best SOS. But what will make it close in the end is the human polls in the BCS rankings.

 

[GoSooners]

Right now OU doesn't have it. But after they play two top 20 teams in succesive weeks they WILL have the best SOS. But what will make it close in the end is the human polls in the BCS rankings.

Something else worth mentioning if this BCS fight does come down to OU and Texas; The way the BCS system works is that in the event of a three-way tie, a win over the number one team in November means more than in October. So says one of the experts who operates one of the 6 computer ratings that factor into the BCS. Therefore, an OU win over No.1 Texas Tech would be worth more than the Texas win over the No.1 Sooners earlier in the season. By beating TT in two weeks, OU would boost it's computer rankings significantly. Just like when TT defeated then number 1 Texas, TT jumped from number 10 in the computers to number 1. OU will benefit from a similar jump in the computers, which would move OU past Texas in the BCS, even if the human poll remains the same. But OU is not an absolute lock to jump Texas in the rankings. But their chances ARE very good.

 

[MajorGCG]

I think if OU beats TTU, they will pass Texas and will play for the Big12, win, and go to Miami. The question will be whether Stoops lays another egg in a BCS game.

 

[OTK]

Once upon a time ago, I used to think that the NCAA was foolish for not having a playoff system in college football. Now, despite what President elect Obama says, I think that college football has struck gold with the BCS. What other system out there has the fans of the top-15 programs literally hanging on to the edges of their seats each week?

Penn State's loss to Iowa wouldn't be crushing if there were a playoff

Alabama vs. Florida in the SEC Championship game would be a snoozer if both teams had clinched a playoff spot.

Ditto for Oklahoma, Texas, and Texas Tech. As it stands, the Big-12 is in for a heck of stretch drive.

USC's loss to Oregon State is TITANIC without a playoff, but only a shoulder shrug if the Trojans were a lock to qualify for a postseason bid.

Whatever money the NCAA would stand to gain with an 8 team playoff, they would lose in the lost build-up of the October-December games. I have completely changed my mind on the proposed playoff system. The NCAA would be fools to get rid of the BCS. This is like a 4-month soap opera, with every major and regional media outlet hinging on its every move.

I agree 100% with this post. I thought I was the only one here that was really against playoffs in college football, so it's nice to see others against it as well. Playoffs would almost without a doubt lessen the excitement of the college football season.

 

[Conan]

I agree 100% with this post. I thought I was the only one here that was really against playoffs in college football, so it's nice to see others against it as well. Playoffs would almost without a doubt lessen the excitement of the college football season.

Not necessarily. If all the major conference champs qualified, there could also be some at-large spots made available to make regular season wins count towards something more than just a conference championship. A playoff system can be done right. Issues such as that only need to be addressed by how the playoff system is set up.

There could be a 10-team playoff format with a qualifying bowl game system played in December among 4 lucky non-automatic qualifiers who would then play each other for the final 2 spots in the championship tournament.

It would still be an 8-team playoff but only 6 BCS champions would automatically qualify. The last 2 spots are decided by a 4-team playoff in 2 games played in December. That system would be just as exciting played out during the season with every team competing for those last 4 spots to play in 2 December bowl games that would decide the final 2 teams in the January NC playoff tournament. Theoretically every non-champion conference team could fight to qualify for those 4 positions.

That's just one way of doing it. The problem with the present poll system is that it's just too subjective and doesn't necessarily produce the best team as the NC. Popularity contests should play no part in deciding the best team.