BBB's NHL consecutive O/U system thread for December (36-9 in Nov) Good fade material

[bluebirdsbaby]

For an explanation of the system, go here: http://www.therxforum.com/showthread.php?t=619212

The November thread can be found here: http://www.therxforum.com/showthread.php?t=629124

2008 NHL Season Records
SERIES RECORD: 61-14, -46.45 units
TOTAL PLAYS: 52-78-2 (40.0%)
GAME 1: 27-42-0
GAME 2: 16-22-2
GAME 3: 9-14-0

Below will be daily plays and results. Feel free to post comments and questions!

 

[bluebirdsbaby]

Monday, December 1, 2008 plays

Monday, December 1, 2008 plays:

LIST:
UNDER 5 - Colorado at Minnesota to win 2.45 (Game 2)
OVER 5.5 - Anaheim at Detroit to win 3.9 (Game 3)

DETAILS:
DATE H/A TEAM OPPONENT LINE OVER UNDER RESULT DESCRIPTION
11/24/08 H Minnesota 4 Washington 3 5.5 130 -140 O
11/26/08 H Minnesota 3 Dallas 4 5.5 128 -138 O
11/28/08 H Minnesota 4 Tampa Bay 2 5 -114 104 O
11/29/08 A Minnesota 6 Nashville 2 5.5 135 -145 O GAME 1: LOST -1.45 UNITS
12/1/08 H Minnesota Colorado

11/21/08 A Anaheim 2 St. Louis 3 5.5 116 -126 U
11/22/08 A Anaheim 2 Dallas 1 5.5 115 -125 U
11/24/08 H Anaheim 4 Colorado 1 5.5 103 -113 U
11/28/08 H Anaheim 1 Chicago 0 5.5 -106 -104 U GAME 1: LOST -1.06 UNITS
11/30/08 A Anaheim 4 Carolina 1 5.5 112 -122 U GAME 2: LOST -1.84 UNITS
12/1/08 A Anaheim Detroit

 

[bluebirdsbaby]

Hi Seems to me your hung up on the game 1 idea. if most streaks go not more than 8. then starting at game 5 would produce superior results. so you win 15 units on game 1 to losses of 3 in a row martingale wipe your game 1 wins out. i mentioned nba because it is similar to hockey on o/u month of nov i had 15 bets won 11 if i had stared at 4 losses i would have 10 more losses and not nearly enough wins something like 6 more. i think you want more action for thime ittakes to d othe posting. Im + 7 units and pretty happy. As for the martingale why have to win 6 sets to cover one bad streak. this way I treat every game as a stand alone i dont need to recover one bad run. my basic premisis less action less exsposure. again i appreciate the work you do and sorry to see it didnt work out this year. i think more than the penalty face-off rule the smaller goalie eqipment is making a slight differance best of luck as always heart222

You keep bringing up "Game 1," and its causing confusion because of the way to refer to it. WHICHEVER GAME you start with will be GAME 1. Regardless if its the 4th game, the 7th game, or the 121st game. But I do get what you're referring to, however, what I'm trying to explain to you is that ALL THE UNITS you win on Game 1 go towards PAYING the occasional loss. If you cut down on the games played, then YES you will have a higher series win percentage, but you will have WAY FEWER games. Would you rather have 120 series and go 108-12 (+108-96 [at 8 units per loss]) for plus 12 units, or have 30 series and go 27-3 (27-24) for plus 3 units?? Here's the breakdown of last year (KEEP IN MIND, 1 LOSS = -8 UNITS

ON WHICH GAME THE TREND BROKE - NUMBER OF TIMES
4th - 142
5th - 68
6th - 38
7th - 12
8th - 7
9th - 4
10th - 1
12th - 1

So if you guys want to go *UNDEFEATED*, you had to start on GAME 10 last year and play GAME 10, 11, 12. If you did that, you would be up 2 units ON THE YEAR and UNDEFEATED! Here's a further breakdown:

WAIT 3, PLAY GAME 4, 5, 6: 248 wins, 25 losses = +48 units
WAIT 4, PLAY GAME 5, 6, 7: 118 units, 13 losses = +14 units
WAIT 5, PLAY GAME 6, 7, 8: 57 wins, 6 losses = +9 units
WAIT 6, PLAY GAME 7, 8, 9: 23 wins, 2 losses = +7 units
WAIT 7, PLAY GAME 8, 9, 10: 12 wins, 1 loss = +4 units
WAIT 8, PLAY GAME 9, 10, 11: 5 wins, 1 loss = -3 units
WAIT 9, PLAY GAME 10, 11, 12: 2 wins, 0 losses = +2 units

According to last year, your theory about waiting longer is incorrect. The longer you waited, the less you made... REGARDLESS of how much you want to count a "loss" as, my system last year was the BEST WAY to play this system.

And nobody KNOWS how long the longest streak is going to be. Saying "we'll start at Game 10" is pretty much backfitting, because I'm giving you the MAXIMUM streak. Trying to determine this pre-season would be guess-work and very risky.

 

[bluebirdsbaby]

You're correct heart, and that was my point as well. The longer you wait to jump into a streak, the closer you are to the end (in theory) and less losses you will incur with a 3-game chase. If the longest ever was 13, and you start at 12, you'd be undefeated. Problem is you lose about half the opportunities each game longer that you wait to jump in.

BBB, not sure why these NHL teams are so streaky except that all teams fall into patterns and with hockey totals, you don't have much leeway to start with. Without checking I would say most hockey games fall between 4-8 total goals. Compared to basketball, football, and even baseball, it's easier to amass consecutive overs/unders when you only have a small handfull of numbers a game can land on.

Streaks are a dangerous thing and a Martingale strategy can be fuel to the fire. I was a chase guy for a long time myself when I was too stubborn to see that it served me better to hit a high rate of individual games and use either flat betting or a safer progression that handled losing streaks better and gave me a solid R.O.I.

I wish you luck BBB, you seem like a class act and a straight forward guy.

You were one of the key guys last year in helping me try to better this system. The bottom line is I'm just trying to make money and share it with you guys. Last year I was doing this for the first two months of the season and I was 32-0 and up a butt-load. I decided to share it with the Hockey forum and hopefully help make people some money. I know Martingales are extremely dangerous, and thats why I stop at a 3 game chase and refuse to go further. Who the hell wants go get to a Game 8 situation, where you're betting 30+ units just to break even? I think we all know that CHASING your money in this business is the easiest way to go downhill. What I've been trying to implement with this system is: Money Management, DISCIPLINE, and remove the guess-work out of handicapping this very confusing league.

The one thing that baffles me is how I've tested this every year since the New NHL came into existence, and the biggest loss was -12 units on an ENTIRE SEASON. I guess I'm just shell-shocked that this thing went south so quickly. Never has it been down this much, and this fast. What else can I do but blame rule changes and the amount of 5.5 lines? I'm looking for answers here in this discussion, that's all.

 

[bluebirdsbaby]

Having a quiet morning I went thru your u and o. if you waited for 4 games you would have been 25-30 and if you waited for 5 games you would have been 10-14 this did not allow for conflicts but the bottom line is for what ever reason this wasnt going to work this year. several teams had those runs of 8 to 10 games whic heven with a 3 game loss would have been devestating. just possibly the books were telling us something because it seems like a majority o f the games were 5.5 which dosent seem the same as last couple of years. it may just be statistical anomily but this year is not happening. ottowa is 5-10 and minn etc. anyhow nothing seems to work for what its worth. regards as always heart222

That's what I'm saying too... it doesn't matter where you jumped in, or where you stopped, or how much you bet... the bottom line is you'd get killed in every way, shape and form.

Maybe we just completely fade, and PLAY the streaks instead of bet against?? That would've produced 60% winners so far!!

 

[bluebirdsbaby]

Ugh! I just typed a long detailed reply and must have timed out so I lost it all. I'll be briefer now.

The best defense against long losing streaks is simply a high individual game win rate. These are the chances of losing 5 straight games at win rates between 50-70%:

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The more often you win, obviously the less susceptible you are to a long losing streak. As far as chases, there's really no reason to play them because if your win rate is strong enough to win by flat-betting then why risk your entire bankroll by chasing losses? If you can't beat flat-betting, then your win rate is too low and therefore too risky for a chase based on the above numbers. For example, if your individual games hit 50%, you would lose a 3-game chase 12.5% of the time, or 1 in 8. So, if each series loss loses you 8 units it's not helping you is it?

Martingale is the riskiest (worst) progression out there. The key to testing any progression is your return on investment. Calculate your total wagers and divide by your profit/loss, then compare that to flat-betting the same games. You'll figure out that you're not helping yourself. That's assuming the standard progressions that have been around forever like Martingale, Labourchere, D'Alembert, etc. I've tested progressions most of my betting life and found a style that seems to outperform flat-betting, at least so far, but you have to add variables to it. For example, Labourchere has several variables such as deciding how to set up your betting line, i.e. length and amounts. I personally do not like the Labourchere though.

High win percentage DEFINITELY helps. Last year I was hitting over 52% on ALL games, and smoking Game 3 at a rate of 60%.

You have listed some very interesting numbers... I guess that's why last year was so profitable. When your hitting over 50% on every bet, then you significantly lower your chances of losing over the long haul. The system ended up losing only 10% of all series' last year, which is where all the profit came from.

I am not big on labourchere as well. I have seen some people use it with success, but the length of the line and the layout gets confusinig on a long streak.

Maybe instead of going against the streak after 3 games, we should go with the streak...

I was thinking about this as well. But how would you go about doing this? Say you go WITH the streak, and win Game 1, what happens next? Do you risk all that profit on the next game, or do you stop?

Imagine what would happen if you were betting EVERY OTTAWA UNDER for 11 straight games. That would be quite the return. But once again, when do you stop, and how much do you bet?

 

[NumberFreak]

BBB,

If the worst season loss was -12 units from your back-testing, then maybe this is due for a winning streak. We're still only a little over a quarter into the season. Everything eventually finds its way to it's true percentage, that's why we need to go back many many years to uncover the "true" percentage. Rules changes can also change "true" percentages so be careful.

All chases come down to the individual game %. It's all about probability. The probability of 3 consecutive losses at a 40% win rate, which is where this thing is at, is 21.6%. That means your chase would average 78.4% wins, so you've actually overachieved a little to be at 81.3%.

What is the past history for individual games? If you lose exactly 8 units for each series loss, you need to win 88.9% of your series' just to break even which is 50% on individual games on average. The higher above 50, the more profit of course.

 

[heart222]

hi bbb just possibly its an aberation ty and going forward it will revert to the mean and dec-march will be a winner. i was surprised tat even if i waited to start after 5 in a row it still lost so far. its strange i know you dont do nba but same system startingafter 5 is 12-4 for nov possibly thats an aberation and i will go 4-12 in dec. anyhow dont be discouraged regards heart222

 

[ethancraft50]

Yes, i am a firm believer of binomial distribution and things should balance out later....as heart mentions, who knows, even if u are 4-12 now, maybe you'll be 12-4 later.
BBB, I am hoping that all this means is that we are getting all the long streaks out of the way now instead of it being all spread it out during the season...

And as for going with the streak, i was thinking of betting 1 unit on every game of the streak. So if it was ottawa, u would take 1 unit from 11 games and on the losing game, we are down -1 unit. Would it make sense to switch and start taking overs for 2 units?

 

[bluebirdsbaby]

bbb,

if the worst season loss was -12 units from your back-testing, then maybe this is due for a winning streak. We're still only a little over a quarter into the season. Everything eventually finds its way to it's true percentage, that's why we need to go back many many years to uncover the "true" percentage. Rules changes can also change "true" percentages so be careful.

All chases come down to the individual game %. It's all about probability. The probability of 3 consecutive losses at a 40% win rate, which is where this thing is at, is 21.6%. That means your chase would average 78.4% wins, so you've actually overachieved a little to be at 81.3%.

What is the past history for individual games? If you lose exactly 8 units for each series loss, you need to win 88.9% of your series' just to break even which is 50% on individual games on average. The higher above 50, the more profit of course.

INDIVIDUAL GAME RECORDS:
2007/2008
Game 1: 143 132 0.520
Game 2: 68 64 0.515
Game 3: 39 25 0.609

250 in wins
-198 in losses (7.92 avg)
52 profit


2006/2007
Game 1: 155 147 0.513
Game 2: 66 81 0.449
Game 3: 45 36 0.556

266 in wins
-256 in losses (7.11 avg)
10 profit


2005/2006
Game 1: 131 164 0.444
Game 2: 81 83 0.494
Game 3: 46 37 0.554

258 in wins
-270 in losses (7.3 avg)
-12 lost




The LOSSES are exact figures, calculated series by series for exact accuracy and success rate. I just divided the total in losses by how many series lost that year to determine the average, and to show why I use 8 as an average cost per loss. That's the good thing about chasing the "non-hot total"... everyone's on the other side because they've been streaking for so long that you often get plus-money or a good price, which is obvious when you see the annual figures. In a true martingale, you're betting 1-2-4 plus juice, which would be 1-2.1-4.31.

Number Freak, it's interesting to see that when 2 or more Game records are above 50%, the year ends up being profitable. When fewer than 2 are above 50% in a year, the system ends up losing.

 

[bluebirdsbaby]

hi bbb just possibly its an aberation ty and going forward it will revert to the mean and dec-march will be a winner. i was surprised tat even if i waited to start after 5 in a row it still lost so far. its strange i know you dont do nba but same system startingafter 5 is 12-4 for nov possibly thats an aberation and i will go 4-12 in dec. anyhow dont be discouraged regards heart222

The thing about the NBA is I dont have any data on it, and the data is the hardest thing to accumulate and format. We're talking thousands of games to enter and monitor... this type of data isn't exactly a finger-snap away. Also with the NBA, the "Total figure" changes so much before gametime and differs from book to book... how do you decide which to use? With the NHL, the line rarely moves, which is very easy to monitor. The only thing that differs is the juice and price of each side, which I've decided to use closing lines for.

Hopefully this does turn around by the end of the season. I'll consider anything from -10 to -20 total units as a WIN after this start! Remember, last year this was up to +97 units before falling back to +47 at the end of the year. That's a 50 unit swing, so I'm not counting it out just yet.

 

[bluebirdsbaby]

Yes, i am a firm believer of binomial distribution and things should balance out later....as heart mentions, who knows, even if u are 4-12 now, maybe you'll be 12-4 later.
BBB, I am hoping that all this means is that we are getting all the long streaks out of the way now instead of it being all spread it out during the season...

And as for going with the streak, i was thinking of betting 1 unit on every game of the streak. So if it was ottawa, u would take 1 unit from 11 games and on the losing game, we are down -1 unit. Would it make sense to switch and start taking overs for 2 units?

That would be one strange system... because you would need it to go AT LEAST 5 continuous games to guarantee a profit on the series. If it flips on the 4th game (our Game 1) you would be -1 unit... and if it flips on Game 5 (our Game 2) you would break even. So you would be hoping for a streak of 5+ games, and the longer the better!

Also, you would have to bet "RISKING 1 UNIT" which might decrease the payout significantly... think about how many people are betting "the hot trend" or "the hot streak." That's why we usually get good prices in this system, because we're on the other side of the obvious money.

 

[bluebirdsbaby]

Continuation of the above...

Here's a full breakdown of how long streaks have lasted, and on which game they finally broke the trend:

2007/2008
CONSECUTIVE AMOUNT OF GAMES - NUMBER OF OCCURRENCES
4 - 142
5 - 68
6 - 38
7 - 12
8 - 7
9 - 4
10 - 1
12 - 1

2006/2007
CONSECUTIVE AMOUNT OF GAMES - NUMBER OF OCCURRENCES
4 - 154
5 - 65
6 - 44
7 - 16
8 - 10
9 - 7
10 - 1
11 - 1
12 - 1

2005/2006
CONSECUTIVE AMOUNT OF GAMES - NUMBER OF OCCURRENCES
4 - 129
5 - 81
6 - 46
7 - 17
8 - 10
9 - 6
10 - 2
13 - 1



Strangely enough, the LONGEST STREAKS always happen to be UNDERS. In 3 years, no team has every logged more than 9 consecutive OVERS. As you can see above, many teams have gone 9+ with the UNDER.

 

[bluebirdsbaby]

Monday, December 1, 2008 results

LIST:
UNDER 5 - Colorado 6 at Minnesota 5 - LOST -2.13 units
OVER 5.5 - Anaheim 1 at Detroit 2 - LOST -3.51 units. SERIES LOSS.
TOTAL - 0-2-0 for -5.64 units.

UPDATED RECORDS:
GAME 1: 27-42-0
GAME 2: 16-23-2
GAME 3: 9-15-0
TOTAL PLAYS: 52-80-2 (39.4%)
SERIES RECORD: 61-15 (-52.09 units)

 

[ethancraft50]

if the longest streaks came from unders....maybe you should avoid all over plays and only play the chases where there have been 3 overs in a row and start taking the unders?
how would that look?

 

[heart222]

i know nba numbers change i take covers results and play againstthose for record keeping. good luck going forward. heart222

 

[bluebirdsbaby]

Tuesday, December 2, 2008 plays

Tuesday, December 2, 2008 plays:

LIST:
OVER 5.5 - Atlanta at Montreal to win 1 (Game 1) *** CONFLICT, DO NOT PLAY
OVER 5.5 - Los Angeles at Phoenix to win 1 (Game 1)
UNDER 5.5 - Tampa Bay at Philadelphia to win 1 (Game 1)
UNDER 5.5 - Atlanta at Montreal to win 1.98 (Game 2) *** CONFLICT, BET "TO WIN 0.98"
UNDER 5.5 - Dallas at Calgary to win 1.91 (Game 2)

DETAILS:
DATE H/A TEAM OPPONENT LINE OVER UNDER RESULT DESCRIPTION
11/26/08 A Montreal 3 Detroit 1 5.5 -112 102 U
11/28/08 A Montreal 0 Washington 3 5.5 -118 108 U
11/29/08 H Montreal 3 Buffalo 2 5.5 100 -110 U
12/2/08 H Montreal Atlanta

11/26/08 A Phoenix 3 Columbus 2 5.5 112 -122 U
11/28/08 H Phoenix 2 Colorado 1 5.5 108 -118 U
11/29/08 H Phoenix 2 San Jose 3 5.5 113 -123 U
12/2/08 H Phoenix Los Angeles

11/23/08 H Tampa Bay 3 New Jersey 7 5.5 127 -137 O
11/26/08 H Tampa Bay 2 NY Rangers 3 5 -127 117 P
11/28/08 A Tampa Bay 2 Minnesota 4 5 -114 104 O
11/29/08 A Tampa Bay 3 Colorado 4 5.5 115 -125 O
12/2/08 A Tampa Bay Philadelphia

11/25/08 A Atlanta 6 Toronto 3 6 -128 118 O
11/26/08 A Atlanta 3 Washington 5 6 -113 103 O
11/28/08 H Atlanta 3 Nashville 4 5.5 -120 110 O
11/30/08 H Atlanta 2 St. Louis 4 5.5 -112 102 O GAME 1: LOST -0.98 UNITS
12/2/08 A Atlanta Montreal

11/24/08 A Dallas 3 Philadelphia 4 5.5 -115 105 O
11/26/08 A Dallas 4 Minnesota 3 5.5 128 -138 O
11/28/08 H Dallas 2 San Jose 6 5.5 -108 -102 O
11/30/08 H Dallas 4 Edmonton 3 5.5 -120 110 O GAME 1: LOST -0.91 UNITS
12/2/08 A Dallas Calgary

 

[bluebirdsbaby]

if the longest streaks came from unders....maybe you should avoid all over plays and only play the chases where there have been 3 overs in a row and start taking the unders?
how would that look?

If you waited for 6 consecutive OVERS, and played the UNDER for Game 7, 8 and 9, you would be undefeated for the last 4 years (including this year.) Game 9 seems to be the magic game where the Over stops cashing.

 

[bluebirdsbaby]

Tuesday, December 2, 2008 results

LIST:
OVER 5.5 - Atlanta 4 at Montreal 5 - CONFLICT, DID NOT PLAY
OVER 5.5 - Los Angeles 2 at Phoenix 4 - WON 1 unit
UNDER 5.5 - Tampa Bay 3 at Philadelphia 4 - LOST -0.98 units
UNDER 5.5 - Atlanta 4 at Montreal 5 - LOST -0.89 units (CONFLICT, REDUCED BET)
UNDER 5.5 - Dallas 3 at Calgary 1 - WON 1.91 units
TOTAL - 2-2-0 for +1.04 units.

UPDATED RECORDS:
GAME 1: 28-43-0
GAME 2: 17-24-2
GAME 3: 9-15-0
TOTAL PLAYS: 54-82-2 (39.4%)
SERIES RECORD: 63-15 (-51.05 units)

 

[bluebirdsbaby]

Wednesday, December 3, 2008 plays

Wednesday, December 3, 2008 plays:

LIST:
UNDER 5.5 - Atlanta at Ottawa to win 3.87 (Game 3)
UNDER 5.5 - St. Louis at Minnesota to win 4.58 (Game 3)

DETAILS:
DATE H/A TEAM OPPONENT LINE OVER UNDER RESULT DESCRIPTION
11/25/08 A Atlanta 6 Toronto 3 6 -128 118 O
11/26/08 A Atlanta 3 Washington 5 6 -113 103 O
11/28/08 H Atlanta 3 Nashville 4 5.5 -120 110 O
11/30/08 H Atlanta 2 St. Louis 4 5.5 -112 102 O GAME 1: LOST -0.98 UNITS
12/2/08 A Atlanta 4 Montreal 5 5.5 -120 110 O GAME 2: LOST -0.89 UNITS (CONFLICT, REDUCED BET)
12/3/08 A Atlanta Ottawa

11/24/08 H Minnesota 4 Washington 3 5.5 130 -140 O
11/26/08 H Minnesota 3 Dallas 4 5.5 128 -138 O
11/28/08 H Minnesota 4 Tampa Bay 2 5 -114 104 O
11/29/08 A Minnesota 6 Nashville 2 5.5 135 -145 O GAME 1: LOST -1.45 UNITS
12/1/08 H Minnesota 5 Colorado 6 5 -125 115 O GAME 2: LOST -2.13 UNITS
12/3/08 H Minnesota St. Louis