Baker Mayfield vs Josh Allen 🏈

[raiders72]

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Completely different sport and games played is different context. But hypothetically if pitchers pitched all 9 innings and overwhelmingly beat another in the regular season and then lost all 4 or more in the postseason....yesthat would mean something about that pitcher. I mean guys like Pedro Martinez, Roger Clemens, Greg Maddux, Kershaw and so on are great pitchers but its very important to note they were average or worse in the playoffs. And that means something for their careers

And the reason for it is that playoff teams have better hitters than the average teams. KC's teams have always been better than Buf. Just look at Allen's play in the playoffs.

 

[exploited17]

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And the reason for it is that playoff teams have better hitters than the average teams. KC's teams have always been better than Buf. Just look at Allen's play in the playoffs.

Lots of guys like Bob Gibson. Sandy Koufax, John Smoltz, Curt Schilling , Orlando Hernandez and Mariano Rivera thrived

 

[SheriffJoe]

Lots of guys like Bob Gibson. Sandy Koufax, John Smoltz, Curt Schilling , Orlando Hernandez and Mariano Rivera thrived

Do an honest position-by-position breakdown and it's not even close who the MVP is.

Without Josh Allen, the Bills aren't even a playoff team.

Half the roster looks like they were drafted off Craigslist. Brandon Beane CANNOT draft.

 

[raiders72]

Lots of guys like Bob Gibson. Sandy Koufax, John Smoltz, Curt Schilling , Orlando Hernandez and Mariano Rivera thrived

When the #1 pitcher faces the #1 from the other team, someone has to lose. The ERA's of the guys you previously mentioned had a very slight higher ERA in the playoffs.

 

[raiders72]

Career Stats
Pitcher         | W-L      | ERA  | IP     | K    | WHIP | BB/9 | SO/9
Pedro Martinez  | 219-100  | 2.93 | 2827.1 | 3154 | 1.05 | 2.0  | 10.0
Roger Clemens   | 354-184  | 3.12 | 4916.2 | 4672 | 1.17 | 2.3  | 8.6
Greg Maddux     | 355-227  | 3.16 | 4965.2 | 3371 | 1.14 | 2.0  | 6.1
Clayton Kershaw | 211-92   | 2.48 | 2944.2 | 2973 | 1.00 | 2.2  | 9.1

Playoff Stats
Pitcher         | W-L   | ERA  | IP    | K
Pedro Martinez  | 4-2   | 3.46 | 65.1  | 78
Roger Clemens   | 12-8  | 3.75 | 198.0 | 173
Greg Maddux     | 8-14  | 3.27 | 126.1 | 97
Clayton Kershaw | 11-8  | 4.26 | 199.1 | 202

 

[Greenbacks]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1978261363240673433

 

[HacheMan]

I can’t believe people think Baker Mayfield is better than Josh Allen lol

I don’t think anyone is really saying Mayfield is as gifted as Allen

 

[Loves2kickass]

Besides raw talent, the team system, coaching and the players who surround a QB is very important in a QB's success. Some teams and head coaches are horrendous. Some situations fit players better than others.

 

[HacheMan]

I posted this earlier in the thread but reposting because I’m thinking most football guys believe Baker is doing good only this year

Since joining joining Tampa Bay he is close to being atop all major passing category lists

Baker Mayfield

2023 Tampa: 4044 Passing Yards - 28 TD - 10 INT
2024 Tampa: 4500 Passing Yards - 41 TD - 16 INT
2025 Tampa Thru 6 Games: 1539 Passing Yards - 12 TD - 1 INT

Also, 3 Seasons - 3 Different Offensive Coordinators - Baker got the first two Head Coaching jobs in Carolina & Jacksonville - Now on his 3rd different one in 3 years


I'm thinking it's trending towards not being a fluke...

 

[HacheMan]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1977517694237721057

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1967986493068296336

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1967915542800633917

 

[HacheMan]

Probably a bumpy road ahead but it’s hard not to be happy for the guy after his career was basically over because of that Browns organization

 

[SheriffJoe]

Probably a bumpy road ahead but it’s hard not to be happy for the guy after his career was basically over because of that Browns organization

...who are taking cap hits from 8 different QBs this season

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1976326802386845763

 

[azbob]

I saw a mock NFL draft today where Cleveland is picking the Oregon quarterback in the first round. Let's just hope that happens as it would be a great illustration of NFL ineptitude. Right now, we have Aaron Glenn as weekly comic relief.

 

[MAGAking1]

LOL

 

[raiders72]

[size=14pt]2023→Present NFL TD Leaders (Pass + Rush)[/size]
Through Oct 16, 2025​

Player	Pass TD	Rush TD	Total TD
Josh Allen	68	28	96
Baker Mayfield	81	4	85
Lamar Jackson	75	10	85
Jared Goff	81	2	83
Jordan Love	66	5	71
Patrick Mahomes	64	6	70
Joe Burrow	60	2	62

[size=8pt]Totals are passing + rushing TDs for 2023, 2024, and 2025 to date.[/size]​

 

[Avocado33]

Allen has reverted back to volatile style of play -- which I think gives them a little higher of a ceiling

Mayfield has been better today

 

[PatsFanatic]

Mayfield has been better today

You spoke too soon

 

[Avocado33]

You spoke too soon

Yup. Allen goes on to play the best half of the season

They have a better chance big picture when they just let him roam free

 

[Greenbacks]

Josh Allen has 6 TDs today.
3 rushing 3 passing.
This is his 2nd time in his career doing so.
Not a single other QB in NFL history has just 1 of these games.

 

[Greenbacks]