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“O wad some power the giftie gie us,
To see oursels as ithers see us!
It wad frae mony a blunder free us,”

Robert Burns wrote the above lines around 1785. Burns, Scotland’s “Immortal Bard” is revered throughout the world for his insight into human nature.

What I find amazing is that a country like Scotland, population around 5 million, can produce so many important people throughout history and in so many fields.

John Logie Baird (Invented TV)
Alexander Graham Bell (Invented telephone)
John Boyd Dunlop (Pneumatic tyres)
Alexander Fleming (Penicillin)
James Watt (Steam Engine)
William Wallace (Braveheart)
John Paul Jones (Established US Navy)
Robert Dinwiddie (Grandfather of the United States)
Andrew Carnegie (US Iron and Steel)

Also such famous Highland Regiments like the Black Watch currently serving in Iraq.
And current politicians like Tony Blair and George Brown. (Current Prime Minister and Chancellor of Britain)

This was also the country which produced ‘The Declaration of Arbroath’ in 1320 containing lines like;

“as long as but a hundred of us remain alive, never will we on any conditions be brought under English rule. It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom -- for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself.”

Preceding the US Declaration of Independence by hundreds of years.

It’s not in praise of Scotland that I have written the above but to point out that Scotland’s opinion is not that of some Islamist state or some petty African dictatorship but an opinion of a sensible people and when sensible people give advice it makes sense to at least listen.

So what advice do the people of Scotland give? The widest read newspaper in Scotland is the ‘Daily Record’ , a paper which mirrors the voice of it’s readers , and its editorial today was ;


“WE might not have a vote or a say in who will be the next President of the United States. But we all have an interest.
The US president is the most powerful man in the world. In terms of international relations he sets the weather.
Since the Twin Towers attacks, decisions made in Washington have an increasing bearing on British life.
Four years ago, George W. Bush looked like a right-wing extremist who would make the world a more dangerous place.
Four years on, that is what he has done. He threw away the wave of sympathy and unity the world felt with America after the World Trade Centre atrocity.
Hell-bent on completing the task his father didn't finish of removing Saddam Hussein, Bush didn't care what exaggerations he made to try to convince the public that war in Iraq was justified.
Bush has been Osama bin Laden's greatest ally. He has done more than the terror leader ever could to stir up anti-American feeling and he has acted like a recruiting sergeant for al-Qaeda.
Democrat John Kerry offers us the only chance of removing Bush from the White House.
He wants the United States restored to its traditional place as a friend to the world, not an enemy of peace.
Let's hope the next President of the United States is the candidate who actually wins the election.And let's hope that man is John Kerry.”

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/recordview/page.cfm?objectid=14480702&method=full&siteid=89488

SENSIBLE PEOPLE TAKE NOTE.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>He wants the United States restored to its traditional place as a friend to the world, not an enemy of peace <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Amen.


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What GW wants is for the rest of the world is for them to take responsibility and stop hiding in the sand against a common enemy.
If the stupid bastards would realise that protecting our economy is the best thing for their own econmies.
"The rest of the world" has been on the wrong side of history for the last 100 years.
 

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You seem to be missing the point of the above Patriot. After 9/11 there was a great deal of sympathy for America, the government could do anything and the civilised world would have approved, it they had decided to nuke Afghanistan most people, including myself, would have applauded. OK the bleeding heart liberals would have complained but what the hell you can’t keep everyone happy. But, GW blew it. Instead of going after Osama he decided to go after Saddam and, in doing so, let Osama of the hook. Now the rest of the civilised world is asking why. They don’t trust him and nothing he can do can change that. As far as international affairs are concerned he is phucked and if you think America can live in isolation you are less intelligent than I thought.
Some times when you are handicapping a game, when you are a big fan of one of the teams the fact that you are a fan clouds your subjective judgement and it helps to get someone who has no direct interest to give their opinion, that is why I quoted the above article. Here we have friends and allies on the other side of the Atlantic giving their opinion. Maybe you should listen.
Look at it this way.
It’s the bottom of the fifth, at the start of the innings you had a 7 run lead and you have just watched your starting pitcher giving up 8 runs, the go ahead run from a wild pitch. The situation you are in now is that the bases are loaded with no outs. Your starter is saying, “Don’t worry coach, God is on my side I can still get the win.”. Your problem is that you like the guy, you brought him up from the minors, even though he had a suspect record, and you let him start tonight’s game. Do you let him continue, even though you know he is likely to put the game beyond saving? Or do you think of the team and give the ball to someone else to try and save the game?
America in the past was looked up to and admired, they were like the big brother who stopped the bullies taking your lunch money from you on the way to school. But under GW the rest of the civilised world is starting to see America as the bully and the hope is that someone else can reverse this. These people don’t know who the hell Kerry is and they are not interested. The way they see it is anyone is better than Bush. And I’ve got to admit they’ve got a point.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Patriot:
What GW wants is for the rest of the world is for them to take responsibility and stop hiding in the sand against a common enemy. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Contrary to popular American opiniion, terrorism was an enemy, and a big one at that, long before 9/11. And, no, what GW does NOT want is for the rest of us to join you ... if he did, the prep leading up to the war in Iraq would have involved a little more deliberation. Having the Russians, French and Chinese marginalised in the Gulf serves US interests well, in fact ... the new Iraqi gov't has ripped up all pre-existing oil deals between Iraq and these countries, making each of them subservient to US control in the coming months.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>If the stupid bastards would realise that protecting our economy is the best thing for their own econmies.
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So you acknowledge, then, that this war is at least in part about oil?? You also, without intending, I think, acknowledge that the US economy does not operate in a vaccuum, that you need others to prop you up in order to sustain yourselves. There's hope for you yet.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>"The rest of the world" has been on the wrong side of history for the last 100 years. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Who are you talking about here? Every non-US country?
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Who are you talking about here? Every non-US country <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That would depend on your definition of what right is.
 

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Jimmymak - everyone knows that all of the true Scots moved out and the English moved in a hundred years ago. Scotland is nothing more than a suburb of England. So anything a Scottish newspaper writes is just English opinion.

The once proud Clans are are now populated by people with more Anglo and Saxon and in their blood than Pict or Celt.

All of the true Scots moved to Canada and the United States.

So Jimmy, you might claim to be a Scot, but we know that you're really an Englishman.
 

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“All of the true Scots moved to Canada and the United States.”
Increasing the average intelligence of all three countries.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Jimmymak - everyone knows that all of the true Scots moved out and the English moved in a hundred years ago. Scotland is nothing more than a suburb of England. So anything a Scottish newspaper writes is just English opinion.
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That comment would earn you a Glaswegian kiss.
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To underline the cultural divide that now exists between Scotland and England.

The last time the Conservatives(British Republicans?) won a majority here was in 1959.

In 1997 the Conservatives failed to win a single seat in Scotland.

In 40 years, the political right has ceased to exist as a credible force in politics.
 

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eek - I say it jokingly from the safe confines of the US - knowing how negativley my cousins in Aberdeen would react.

I often called them Englishmen to piss them off - and I did get the desired results!

However - they never saw the insult when I called them Socialists - go figure!
 

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I had to call Scotland to find out:

A Glaswegian Kiss is a head butt!

Good one!
 

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Fuk how others see us...People came to this country in spite of Europe not because of it.Lead or follow or get the hell out of the way.

Fuk the UN and all the crooked pygmaies in that parasitic institution....That place should be immediatley closed off and have barbed wire around it.
 

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Fair enough Patriot. You seem quite content to let Bush do the leading so that's good enough for me. Just don't complain about the cost in American lives, both military and civilian, at home and abroad.
 

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