Are liberals all Christophobes?

[bblight]

I don't know who coined the phrase "Christophobe", I first saw it in one of Gamefaces posts - but seeing it made me think of the knee jerk reaction the left gives to the Christian right - a very hatefull reaction to a group of people who've done them no harm - much like the KKK used to react to blacks and jews.

These people have an unfound fear and haterd of Christians - and by their own definition, it makes them "Christophobes".

 

[docmercer--banned]

I disagree ...

I was raised a Catholic and still attend a Catholic Church ...

I found it disgusting that the Church on this time told basically ya need to vote for Bush because of his "Morals" ...

Bush's "Morals" are suspect @ best and that is the most disgusting part of this election ...

If Bush indeed has found God, good for him .. keep the "I talked to God and he told me to bomb Iraq" out of the equation .. in particular, with his stance on Islam being the "Religion of Peace" and his acceptance of the Same Sex Unions

 

[eek.]

You're a comedian.

Islamophobia sweeps the USA and then you act the clueless twit over people that reject ALL spear wielding religious mumbo-jumbo.

Save it for your next sexual abstinence BBQ for the local teenagers.

 

[xpanda]

Evangelical and Fundamentalist Christians, specifically are, in my opinion, dangerous if mixed with politics or other arenas where they are granted social power. The reasons for this are quite obvious. [edited to add: I don't think religion should ever be mixed with politics, but some seem more dangerous to me than others. Evangelical Christianity is one of them.]

In the first place, they believe in a worldview that contains absolute good and absolute evil, when clearly the world is not like that. Secondly, they believe in the End Times, which is more than a wee bit worrisome for those of us who don't wish to see nuclear bombs dropped all over the place in the name of god's will. Third, they have a one-size-fits-all mentality, which is probably why they are a strictly American phenomenon -- the US doesn't promote diversity in the same way that other Western nations do. Yours is a melting pot, with greater emphasis on uniformity. (Chances are good that you would have to spend significant time outside of the US to see this difference, since it is very subtle.) The surge in Evangelicals in the US is probably the result of the Age of Reason, where liberalism/individualism has been centre stage for 150 years. Fundies are collectivists and broadly resent individualism. (I recall reading a Rapture nutter saying she was taking her son out of public school because they were teaching self-esteem.)

At any rate, it is not Christianity in particular that is problematic. It is the idea of religion and politics mixing and sharing power. A cursory review of history should explain why that is.

 

[bblight]

You teach sexual abstinance in the home as well as the church. You teach it to girls, since a male on a testesterone rush can't think, let alone think rationaly. I'm not saying don't teach it to the guys, I'mn just saying you'll get less bang for your buck (pardon the pun) when teaching abstinence to the men

Back it up with literature containing graphic pictures and descriptions of the ravages of STD's and then support that lesson with detailed information about the social life of your average mother.

After that, there would be fewer young women willing to sacrifice their virginity for a thrill whose payoff isn't worth the possible consequences.

 

[xpanda]

You teach sexual abstinance in the home as well as the church. You teach it to girls, since a male on a testesterone rush can't think, let alone think rationaly. I'm not saying don't teach it to the guys, I'mn just saying you'll get less bang for your buck (pardon the pun) when teaching abstinence to the men

Back it up with literature containing graphic pictures and descriptions of the ravages of STD's and then support that lesson with detailed information about the social life of your average mother.

After that, there would be fewer young women willing to sacrifice their virginity for a thrill whose payoff isn't worth the possible consequences.

Fine. If that is something that parents want to teach their children, then let them. Nothing at all wrong with it. Same goes for the Churches. If you don't like it, change religons.

But don't you think it's a bit hypocritical of conservatives to suggest that the government should be responsible for teaching social values? After all, isn't it the conservatives who favour smaller, less intrusive government? Telling me when and who to fück strikes me as none of their business.

 

[Marco]

I'm certainly a liberal and consider myself to be an agnostic......big turnoff for me about Christianity, and other religions for that matter, is the snobs who follow it and endorse it to the point where if you're not one of them, you're some lowly heathen to be looked down on for not being in the "obvious correct crowd"....

If a tit is shown on tv, they're ready to write thier congressman.
If a porn store opens they grab thier signs and picket. Get a life!
They get up in the air when a prayer can't be said in school, but seem to forget what school is really all about, namely learning in general....

I could go on and on and put up a list a couple yards long........basically they're not content with having thier own church and protected religion, and believing in what they want with the exclusion of other people....

Live and let live....most religious people just don't seem to get it.

 

[RobFunk]

the christians are good people trying to practice what they believe is good faith. they shouldnt have their religious state clouded by politics.

it is unfair to label true christians who practice in good faith as 'the religious right'.

 

[JudgeWapner]

To me there seems to be a widening gap, as to what is called Christianity and the actual teachings of Christ. JMHO.

 

[GAMEFACE]

When liberal democrats try to force radical agendas down the throats of the people by far left wing judges the people will reject it everytime. The democratic party is a national party no more. America is a Christian nation deal with it.

 

[JudgeWapner]

Out,I wish that were true.

 

[RobFunk]

adtionally, there is no need for this type of thread which I liken to a rubbing in of the GOP victory.


you are off your rocker if you think the left is not full of devout christians. kerry was a fvckhead with a crappy campaign that spent the last 2-3 weeks giving retorts on AP reports rather than adjusting to the dynamics of what was going on. he yelled his head off on what he would like for us but never said how he would get it and that proved to be his demise. he was outspoken in being favorable of certain issues but when met with backlash, choose to just back away from the issue instead of showing us strength and good reason.

the kerry show is over, I no longer support him. the 04 democratic primary which should have been about dismounting bush was crap. his runner up was dean, and who the hell supports a guy who yells 'YARRGHHH!' and edwards his speaking in an at times feministic style will not get the job done either.

the right accept a democratic leadership, but they are not as dumb as everyone thinks. they want a guy with vision, intellegence, planning and understanding, some charisma might be good also.

kerry did none of those things. he was the 18 year old at the ford dealer who said he wanted a mustang but never told us how he planned to get it. no one wants to listen to the kid with a wish list, we want to hear from the kid who can run his mouth at will on how he will get what he wants in life from the mustang to the cute blonde at the supermarket to the economy and health plan issues.

the GOP never showed weakness in their campaign they only showed it in past actions. they were ripe for the defeat, but kerry failed to capatilize over and over, failing to change the dynamics of his campaign for victory.

 

[xpanda]

When liberal democrats try to force radical agendas down the throats of the people by far left wing judges the people will reject it everytime. The democratic party is a national party no more. America is a Christian nation deal with it.

Bush only won with 51% of the vote. This might be a huge majority in your view, but it's not really. Further, if you look at the map, it's pretty much safe to say that the two parties are drawing vastly different regional crowds, thus NEITHER could really say they speak to or for all Americans.

To say that America is a Christian nation is to immediately marginalise the people who are not Christian or who do not want their religion mixed up with politics.

It will be interesting to see how deep the divide between the fundies and the non-fundies gets and what it does to your political landscape. If this trends past the Bush presidency, I wouldn't be surprised to see separatist movements pop up. They're lots of fun, believe me.

 

[peskypup]

Have you liberals not read your Bible?

Luke chapter 20 verse 3

And lo jesus did cast out the moneychangers from the Temple. Then he said "I tell you solemnly we must bomb Iraq into submission, even though Saddam is as tame as a pussycat after the first Gulf War"

John chapter 11 verse 23

"It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for someone who is not a Bible bashing, right wing blithering religious biggot to enter the Kingdom of Heaven."

Excepts taken from the Right wing lunatic version of the Bible, thanks are due to the superb translation from the Hebrew by a small bloke with a stupid walk who lives in the White House, Washington.

 

[RobFunk]

pesky that was beautiful im sure jesus would think highly of your mocking the bible for the current agenda of the republican politicians.

youre all having your fun over the christian aspect of this thing. 3 million vote difference tells me other wise and we are insulting a very proud religion and it needs to stop.

 

[petre]

why you say that? i too am an advocate of voodoo and creationism, even in the face of scientific proof (carbon dateing, etc.)

 

[peskypup]

no insult intended

I have no problem with Christianity, which is just as well as I have been a member of that religion for 39 years.

But bigotry of all kinds causes all sorts of problems, ask anyone in Ulster. The problem is that it so easily leads to justification of all sorts of excesses.

"God has told me that I need to round up your women and children and shoot them all."

Since God has backed you up, there is no need to feel guilty so you can easily move on to the next town and repeat the process. There is nothing more dangerous than a religious maniac with a gun in his hands.

 

[Marco]

peskypup.....as you have already stated.....

Once you place God above sound, sane, reasonable thinking then actions like those you mention can be totally justified.....

Wars can be fought and fought for decades...
Planes can be flown into buildings....
Serial killers and killers on a shooting spree justify thier gross recklessness....

I wish I had a dollar for every person that died as a result of some religious cause......I would be in the Fortune 500....

 

[kayaman+]

Actually I would say that probably most lefties are christian, at least that's been my experience.
Religion only upsets the left when the right tries to phuck with the seperation of church and state.