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Becoming Illegal (From a Maryland resident to his senator)

The Honorable Paul S. Sarbanes
Senate Office Building
309 Hart
Washington DC, 20510

Dear Senator Sarbanes,

As a native Marylander and excellent customer of the Internal Revenue
Service, I am writing to ask for your assistance. I have contacted the
Department of Homeland Security in an effort to determine the process
for becoming an illegal alien and they referred me to you.

My primary reason for wishing to change my status from U.S. Citizen to
illegal alien stems from the bill which was recently passed by the
Senate and for which you voted. If my understanding of this bill's
provisions is accurate, as an illegal alien who has been in the Unit ed
States for five years, all I need to do to become a citizen is to pay a
$2,000 fine and income taxes for three of the last five years.
I know a good deal when I see one and I am anxious to get the
process started before everyone figures it out.

Simply put, those of us who have been here legally have had to pay
taxes every year so I'm excited about the prospect of avoiding two
years of taxes in return for paying a $2,000 fine. Is there any way
that I can apply to be illegal retroactively? This would yield an
excellent result for me and my family because we paid heavy taxes
in 2004 and 2005.

Additionally, as an illegal alien I could begin using the local
emergency room as my primary health care provider. Once I have
stopped paying premiums for medical insurance, my accountant
figures I could save almost $10,000 a year. Another benefit in
gaining illegal status would be that my daughter would receive
preferential treatment relative to her law school applications,
as well as "in-state" tuition rates for many colleges throughout
the United States for my son.

Lastly, I understand that illegal status would relieve me of the
burden of renewing my driver's license and making those burdensome
car insurance premiums. This is very important to me given that I
still have college age children driving my car.

If you would provide me with an outline of the process to become
illegal (retroactively I f possible) and copies of the necessary forms,
I would be most appreciative. Thank you for your assistanc e.

Your Loyal Constituent,
Pete McGlaughlin

Get your Forms (NOW)!! Call your Internal Revenue
Service 1-800-289-1040. Please pass this onto your friends so they
can save on this great offer!!!!

Explain it to me once more: WHY do I have to "Press 1 for English"?
 
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Subject: Fw: George Carlin's Solution to Saving Gasoline and Illegal
Immigrants ...



> Bush wants us to cut the amount of gas we use. The best way to stop using
> so much gas is to deport 30 million illegal immigrants! That would be 30
> million less people using our gas. The price of gas would come down.
>
> Bring our troops home from Iraq to guard the border. When they catch an
> illegal immigrant crossing the border, hand him a canteen, rifle and some
> ammo and ship him to Iraq. Tell him if he wants to come to America then he
> must serve a tour in the military. Give him a soldier's pay whil e he's
> there and tax him on it. After his tour, he will be allowed to become a
> citizen since he defended this country. He will also be registered to be
> taxed and be a legal patriot.
>
> This option will probably deter illegal immigration and provide a solution
> for the troops in Iraq and the aliens trying to make a better life for
> themselves. If they refuse to serve, ship them to Iraq anyway, without the
> canteen, rifle or ammo. Problem solved. If you think this is a good
> solution to both the problems, forward it to your friends.
> Viva la Red, White & Blue!
 

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The media talking heads mention amnesty and the border but what they fail to address is the real heart of the problem. The unequal distribution of costs and benefits and the probability of enforcement actually occurring. The people hiring illegals do great but for everyone else the costs are high and the trickle down benefits are trivial. They also fail to mention that illegals are often hired by people who want to cheat on taxes and regulations. They talk about a nation of immigrants but dont mention that during previous waves of immigration the US didnt have a welfare state. Nor had immigrants been exposed to decades of anti-American and socialist propaganda. They propose to double the security on the Mexican border. There is no basis in experience or logic that leads to the assumption this will reduce illegal immigration to negligible levels. Which brings up employment enforcement. In order to enforce the visa requirements the gov will have to establish data bases and hire personnel to verify info on employment and taxes(or refer info to IRS). They will also have to have another dept. or program to approach it from the employer end to cover new illegals,people who dont apply for visas or who apply but decide two identities are better than one. The IRS has a budget of 12 billion. The voluntary compliance rate though is actually very high. The illegals are currently 100% non-compliers. Where is the money and talent going to come from to make this viable? If it is enforced how many illegals will lose their job or business if forced above ground?
 

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hey roadreeler

i see we are from the same area.i bet this business owner will regret the day he decided to hire illegals.i guarantee this goes on at more kitchens than we think



CHINA GROVE, N.C. – Captain’s Galley, the restaurant linked to an E. coli outbreak in Rowan County, has been shut down after health officials confirmed that a goat was slaughtered inside the restaurant.
The Rowan County Health Department announced today they learned of the slaughter from an anonymous tip by a former employee, which was confirmed by management and ownership.
They’re not saying the slaughter is the exact cause of the E. coli outbreak, which sickened 20 people and killed one woman. But health officials say it is biologically plausible that the goat slaughter may have been the source of the outbreak.
Officials say it happened in the kitchen sometime between May 11 and May 20, after the restaurant was closed for the night. It does not appear that goat was served to customers.
It is possible, however, that kitchen utensils used to slaughter the goat may have been used later on in other food preparation, but that has not been confirmed.
The former employee who reported the incident worked at Captain’s Galley at the time of the slaughter, but is no longer employed there.
The restaurant management and their attorney did not protest the health department’s decision to shut them down. The owners say they are appalled by the acts of a few employees and have taken appropriate action against those employees.
Health officials said eight cases of E. coli, a bacterial infection of the stomach and intestines, have been confirmed, and another 12 are probable. Everyone who got sick ate at the restaurant between May 26 and June 3.
Faye Sides, 86, ate at the restaurant with family members after church on May 27, and she died last week. Both the health department and the owners of Captain’s Galley restaurant expressed their deepest sympathies to the Sides’ family.
 

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I was just informed about some of the details of this bill. Its a total scam. The probation/visa process will be a rubber stamp. 24 hrs after applying they will receive probation status and social security card. No real verification about employment status,criminal record, etc. Its no enforcement all over again. And why wont new illegals arrive and lie about when they arrived or their real identity?
 

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What is the real reason this bill is being pushed through? Why is this bill being shoved down our collective throats when the citizens of this country as a majority are against it? It is obvious that the politicians don't give a crap about the citizens of this country.
 

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all one has to do is look at the amount of food recalls etc. over the last 5 or so years.these people come from cultures that have no rules on hygiene etc.i cannot ever remember massive amounts of food recalls when i was growing up.i could be wrong.

it seems we have a massive almost countrywide food recall every week
 
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All I can say fellas is go to my main info site & start calling,faxing & E-mailing your Congressman....We can sit behind a computer & bitch or use it as a tool... All the Info is at the other site or above...The other site has a Ton of info....In quantity & sheer numbers we CAN & WILL make a diffrence..Now It's all up to YOU.
 

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The reason Texansfan? Follow the money. The strategy of rich and poor uniting to soak the middle and working class isnt original. Even importing poor from abroad has many precedents in history. The real backbone of working class/small farmer support for the Union in the Civil War was from people worried that the potential spread of slavery would hurt their future economic chances.
 
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Date: Mon.18, Jun 2007

Just a note to tell you that my mailbox is being flooded with mail
concerning gas prices and illegal immigrants. To boycott oil Companies
or
not; to provide amnesty to illegal immigrants or not, etc. Since I have
become jaded to the various solutions proposed by the Republicans,
Democrats, Sierra Club, ACLU, etc., I have elected to solve the
problems
as they affect me. My response solves both my gas and illegal
immigrant
problems.... I have hired illegal immigrants to push my car. They're
plentiful and cheaper than buying gas. Then I pay them in Pesos so
they
have to go home to spend it.
Don't you love it when a plan comes together?
 
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This is very interesting..................

Here is a REAL INTERVIEW with an illegal Mexican at a protest march in
>Texas.
>
> Trying to reason with an Illegal Mexican
>
> This is good! Below is a good example of a discussion with a master of
>circular logic. Don't be logical, don't respect the truth or your
>adversary, just say what you think makes a new case when the previous case
>gets too difficult to defend. On the streets of downtown Houston, May 1,
>2006. Jim Moore reporting for a Houston TV station:
>
> Jim: Juan, I see that you and thousands of other protesters are
>marching in the streets to demonstrate for your cause. Exactly what is your
>cause and what do you expect to accomplis h by this protest?
>
> Juan: We want our rights. We will show you how powerful we are. We will
> bring Houston to its knees!
>
> Jim: What rights?
>
> Juan: Our right to live here...legally. Our right to get all the
>benefits you get.
>
> Jim: When did you come to the United States?
>
> Juan: Six years ago. I crossed over the border at night with seven
>other friends.
>
> Jim: Why did you come?
>
> Juan: For work. I can earn as much in a month as I could in a year in
>Mexico. Besides, I get free health care, our Mexican children can go to
>school free, if I lose my job I will get Welfare, and someday I will have
>the Social Security. Nothing like that in Mexico!
>
> Jim: Did you feel badly about breaking our immigration laws when you
>came?
>
> Juan: No! Why should I feel bad? I have a right to be here. I have a
>right to amnesty. I paid lots of money for my Social Security and Green
>Cards.
>
> Jim: How did you acquire those documents?
>
> Juan: From a guy in Dallas. He charged me a lot of money too.
>
> Jim: Did you know that those documents were forged?
>
> Juan: It is of no matter. I have a right to be here and work.
>
> Jim: What is the "right" you speak of?
>
> Juan: The right of all Aliens. It is found in your Constitution. Read
>it!
>
> Jim: I have read it, but I do not remember it sa ying anything about
>rights for Aliens.
>
> Juan: It is in that part where it says that all men have Alien rights,
>like the right to pursue happiness. I wasn't happy in Mexico, so I came
>here.
>
> Jim: I think you are referring to the declaration of Independence and
>that document speaks to unalienable rights . Not Alien rights.
>
> Juan: Whatever.
>
> Jim: Since you are demanding to become an American citizen, why then
>are you carrying a Mexican Flag?
>
> Juan: Because I a m Mexican.
>
> Jim: But you said you want to be given amnesty . to become a US citizen
>
> Juan: No. This is not what we want. This is our country, a part of
>Mexico that you Gringos stole from us. We want it returned to its
>rightful owner.
>
> Jim: Juan, you are standing in Texas. After wining the war with Mexico,
>Texas became a Republic, and later Texans voted to join the USA. It was not
>stolen from Mexico.
>
> Juan: That is a Gringo lie. Texas was stolen. So was California, New
>Mexico and Arizona. It is just like all the other stuf f you Gringos
>steal, like oil and babies. You are a country of thieves.
>
> Jim: Babies? You think we steal babies?
>
> Juan: Sure. Like from Korea and Vietnam and China. I see them all over
>the place. You let all these foreigners in, but try to keep us Mexicans
>out. How is this fair?
>
> Jim: So, you really don't want to become an American citizen then.
>
> Juan: I just want my rights! Everyone has a right to live, work, and
>speak their native language wherever and whenever they please. That's
>another thing we demand. All signs and official documents should be in
>Spanish. Teachers must teach in Spanish. Soon, more people here in Houston
>will speak Spanish than English. It is our right!
>
> Jim: If I were to cross over the border into Mexico without proper
>documentation, what rights would I have there?
>
> Juan: None. You would probably go to jail, but that's different.
>
> Jim: How is it different? You said everyone has the right to live
>wherever they please.
>
> Juan: You Gringos are a bunch of land grabbing thieves. Now you want
>Mexico too? Mexico has its rights. You Gringos have no rights in Mexico.
>Why would y ou want to go there anyway? There is no free medical service,
>schools, or welfare there for foreigners such as you. You cannot even own
>land in my country. Stay in the country of your birth.
>
> Jim: I can see that there is no way that we can agree on this issue.
>Thank you for your comments.
>
> Juan: Viva Mexico!
>
> You will not see this heart-stopping photo on the front page of the NY
>Times or on the lead story of the major news networks. The protestors put
>up the Mexican flag over the American flag flying upside down at
>Montebello High School in California.
>
> I predic t this stunt will be the nail in the coffin of any
>guest-worker/amnesty plan on the table in Washington. The image of the
>American flag subsumed to another and turned upside down on American soil
>is already spreading on Internet forums and via e-mail.
>
> Pass this along to every American citizen in your address books and to
>every representative in the state and federal government. If you choose to
>remain uninvolved, do not be amazed when you no longer have a nation to
>call your own nor anything you have worked for left since it will be
>"redistributed" to the activists while you are so peacefully staying out of
>the "fray". Check history, it is full of nations/empires that disappeared
>when its citizens no longer held their core beliefs and values. One person
>CAN make a difference. One plus one plus one plus one plus one plus
>one........
>
> The battle for our secure borders and immigration laws that actually
>mean
>something, however, hasn't even begun.
>
> If this ticks YOU off...PASS IT ON!
>
>
>
>
>Be careful who you vote for...
 
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Brighton-Mi wrote: 2h 4m ago
Createdequal wrote:

"yes I am a Criminal, But we are helping this country wealthy".

The justification of being a criminal because you think that you are making the world go around is ludicrous. In my opinion, you are no better than a common street corner drug dealer looking to improve his financial situation at the expense of society.

You are only helping to enrich yourself at the expense of everyone law biding American citizen. It is people like you that ARE bringing the rest of us down. You are stealing from the treasury, you are burdening the infrastructure, stagnating wages, all for your own personal benefit.

The vast majority of people that DO make the world go around do not need the crutch of illegal aliens to support their lifestyle.

I do hope one day that all of you criminals are held accountable for your crimes, including paying the back taxes. If you are ruined, so what, you have it coming.

Law biding citizens are paying their taxes, hiring LEGAL workers, and they will be rewarded once you are put out of business.

Finally, any criminal enterprise that requires illegal activity in order to sustain itself must be eliminated from our country.
 
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Brighton-Mi wrote: 38m ago

If the portrait of a "Saint" is one that has never been arrested, does not break the law, that pays taxes (property, state, federal), and has NEVER received a red cent (other than a tax refund) from the government (local, state, or federal), never taken a government student loan or grant, has an unpaid outstanding debt to anyone anywhere, has excellent credit, then you can call me a Saint.

I will still label you a common criminal.

The method of thievery (robbing a bank, peddling drugs, hiring illegal aliens), or your self justiying excuses (giving people a better life, fulfilling dreams, food on the table) is completely, totally, irrelevant.

The reality is that you make more profit by breaking the law.

Plain and simple.

It is a an criminally indefensible position you have assumed and will continue to defend until you are exposed. That is coming.

If you think for one moment that the public is going to indefinitely allow you criminals to go un-punished, you are sadly mistaken.

Laugh while you can, your belongings might be out in the street one day, up to the highest bidder at the IRS auction.

He who laughs last laughs best.
 

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They are doing more to open the borders than close the borders..

Why...


Google North American Union.
 

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