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Avoiding mediation! To mediate, a bettor has to give personal info to "watchdog" site personnel and then hope they are honorable people and that they will only use the bettor's info in a discreet manner; also, the info will not be used against a bettor if a "watchdog" has pro-book motives (keeping ad dollars). I was dismayed when reading the resolution of the BCN issue at MW when Russ went back to a bet made at Bodog three years ago by red eye in an effort to discredit red eye.

The Major said:
These guys tried the same crap with Bodog in boxing, Royal with another future and two other books.

red eye said:
We didn't try any crap with Bodog. We just questioned their decision on a Draw on a fight 3 years ago when the rest of the gambling Community gave everyone there money back. Water under the bridge, Still have an account there. You'llhave to fill me in on what other dirt your trying to pin on me...So what are you doing finding my accounts and looking for a wager that could have been cancelled. So not sure what your getting at.Your treading on thin ice if you want to keep looking into my business.

If that isn't bad enought Russ made a not so veiled threat.

The Major said:
Kermit, Red Eye,

I can assure that I am not done with you two.

red eye said:
One last thing What do you mean your not thru with me. If thats a threat, You'll have to clarify, I'll be in Vegas for the Bash, meet me there and we'll settle it there if it is a threat.

Avoid all of this crap, at least 99% of it, and play with the top shelf books where mediation probably will not be needed. If a problem arises at a real book the issue will most likely be resolved in-house.
 
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Real professional huh?
 
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Widely respected poster BRETT summed up this ordeal perfectly and is exactly how TheRX came to the conclusion with their opinion after mediating the case.

Anybody suggesting this was a bad line and that BCN should not honor these wagers sets a TERRIBLE president throughout the entire industry with their decision.




BRETT's post....

I've tried to stay out of this, but I've had enough. This is an absolute travesty. Let's summarize the facts for the 160th time.

*a couple of guys spot "perceived" value in the hottest team in baseball the A's at a BCN. They make some bets. They are called "scum", shottakers, and several other dirty words for making bets at a sportsbook. How dare a punter make a bet where they might actually have an edge. The books are always supposed to have the edge. We the bettors are just suckers that are supposed to lose so that dumb bookmakers can make a good living. Yeah, I get it.

* the book offered 200 to 1 on the A's, who late in May were by far playing like one of the 4 worst teams in MLB. At that time I wouldn't have bought them at a 1000 to 1. They looked like a team that would not win 70 games. So the 200 to 1 they were offering is definitely a reasonable line.

* Then the A's go on one of the hottest tirades I have seen and win consistently at a .800 clip for a long stretch. Other books who were offering similar odds to 200 to 1, adjust their odds.

* A little while later, BCN adjusts their odds to 100 to 1, then they go to 90, then to 70.

* BCN bookmakers get out their calculators and realize they stand to lose 34,000 on Redeyes A's wager if they continue to play flawless baseball for the rest of the year. A fatal hit for most sportsbooks, lol.

* They decide to cancel the bets. They site that the 200 to 1 that was offered was really 20 to 1. So while the rest of the offshore world had the A's anywhere from 100 to 1 TO 200 to 1 in late May, the crystal ball bookmaking gurus from BCN had the forsight to sense an A's run and claim that their line was intended to be 20 to 1. Then after writing small bets on the A's, they went up to 100 to 1, then back down to 90 and 70, before claiming that the 200 that was listed really was 20. Sounds legit to me.

* After taking heat in 5 different forums and strong mediation efforts from Russ, they decide to honor the bets at a fraction of what they were bought for.

***In concluding, Picksix said," this is a horrible setback for the offshore world". I couldn't agree more. This sets a precedent for other bookmakers to renege on bets that they don't want to book. This isn't about a couple of guys taking shots at a book. I and most sensible others would have made the same bets at BCN if they had been aware of it. And I wouldn't have bet it for a buck 70, either. Taking +7, when it is supposed to be -7 is shottaking. Taking 200 to 1 when other books are less is good shopping. I hope the owners of BCN go out of business in the near future. They are thieves and deserve to be bankrupt
 
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Fishhead said:
Real professional huh?

Unprofessional on both ends, Russ and Bodog. I realize Bodog is at the top of this page but what in the hell was Bodog thinking in giving out players info to Russ that is 3 years old?
 
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Whatever happened to "The Customer is Always Right"? If it was a widely available line - which it was, it should be honored. If this book isn't going to honor it, don't book them.
 

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Sam Odom said:
Avoiding mediation! To mediate, a bettor has to give personal info to "watchdog" site personnel and then hope they are honorable people and that they will only use the bettor's info in a discreet manner; also, the info will not be used against a bettor if a "watchdog" has pro-book motives (keeping ad dollars). I was dismayed when reading the resolution of the BCN issue at MW when Russ went back to a bet made at Bodog three years ago by red eye in an effort to discredit red eye.





If that isn't bad enought Russ made a not so veiled threat.





Avoid all of this crap, at least 99% of it, and play with the top shelf books where mediation probably will not be needed. If a problem arises at a real book the issue will most likely be resolved in-house.


I wholly agree with you Sam.... If it wasnt for these punters that keep supporting fringe books, betting would be a much cleaner experience and perharps increased volume could stop the bad habit of the top books booting or putting collars on sharps.


Ps...It sure as hell doesnt help when every other day we have shills touting fringe books!!!
 
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red eye & Kermit are being threatened at MW that there real names will be given to other books and therefore 'black listed.' I hope no one needs mediation in the future.:finger:
 
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Sam Odom said:
red eye & Kermit are being threatened at MW that there real names will be given to other books and therefore 'black listed.' I hope no one needs mediation in the future.:finger:
Not sure why I would be Blacklisted, have had good relations with shops I've joined. Hell I have never even requested a withdrrawl from Hollywood, get my ass kicked at Pinny, and Carib. Bodog balance recently went from close to 2K to nothing. Yes I'm sure those shops will blacklist me. Could be the end of MV though if that happens. Maybe their would be some good that comes out of this
 

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