And this is why they did it (The London Terrorist Attack)

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The author is an Iranian commentator on Middle Eastern affairs.

Amir Taheri
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There is no way to reason with the terrorists, but the thinking behind their actions is perfectly clear<o:p></o:p>

THE FIRST QUESTION that comes to mind is: what took them so long? The answer may be that in the past four years the British authorities have succeeded in preventing attacks on a number of occasions. David Blunkett, who was then Home Secretary, was often mocked for suggesting that this was the case. <o:p></o:p>

It may take some time before the full identity of the attackers is established. But the ideology that motivates them, the networks that sustain them and the groups that finance them are all too well known. <o:p></o:p>

Moments after yesterday’s attacks my telephone was buzzing with requests for interviews with one recurring question: but what do they want? That reminded me of Theo van Gogh, the Dutch film-maker, who was shot by an Islamist assassin on his way to work in Amsterdam last November. According to witnesses, Van Gogh begged for mercy and tried to reason with his assailant. “Surely we can discuss this,” he kept saying as the shots kept coming. “Let us talk it over.”

Van Gogh, who had angered Islamists with his documentary about the mistreatment of women in Islam, was reacting like BBC reporters did yesterday, assuming that the man who was killing him may have some reasonable demands which could be discussed in a calm, democratic atmosphere.

But sorry, old chaps, you are dealing with an enemy that does not want anything specific, and cannot be talked back into reason through anger management or round-table discussions. Or, rather, this enemy does want something specific: to take full control of your lives, dictate every single move you make round the clock and, if you dare resist, he will feel it his divine duty to kill you.

The ideological soil in which alQaeda, and the many groups using its brand name, grow was described by one of its original masterminds, the Pakistani Abul-Ala al-Maudoodi more than 40 years ago. It goes something like this: when God created mankind He made all their bodily needs and movements subject to inescapable biological rules but decided to leave their spiritual, social and political needs and movements largely subject to their will. Soon, however, it became clear that Man cannot run his affairs the way God wants. So God started sending prophets to warn man and try to goad him on to the right path. A total of 128,000 prophets were sent, including Moses and Jesus. They all failed. Finally, God sent Muhammad as the last of His prophets and the bearer of His ultimate message, Islam. With the advent of Islam all previous religions were “abrogated” (mansukh), and their followers regarded as “infidel” (kuffar). The aim of all good Muslims, therefore, is to convert humanity to Islam, which regulates Man’s spiritual, economic, political and social moves to the last detail.

But what if non-Muslims refuse to take the right path? Here answers diverge. Some believe that the answer is dialogue and argument until followers of the “abrogated faiths” recognise their error and agree to be saved by converting to Islam. This is the view of most of the imams preaching in the mosques in the West. But others, including Osama bin Laden, a disciple of al-Maudoodi, believe that the Western-dominated world is too mired in corruption to hear any argument, and must be shocked into conversion through spectacular ghazavat (raids) of the kind we saw in New York and Washington in 2001, in Madrid last year, and now in London.

That yesterday’s attack was intended as a ghazava was confirmed in a statement by the Secret Organisation Group of al-Qaeda of Jihad Organisation in Europe, an Islamist group that claimed responsibility for yesterday’s atrocity. It said “We have fulfilled our promise and carried out our blessed military raid (ghazava) in Britain after our mujahideen exerted strenuous efforts over a long period of time to ensure the success of the raid.” Those who carry out these missions are the ghazis, the highest of all Islamic distinctions just below that of the shahid or martyr. A ghazi who also becomes a shahid will be doubly meritorious.

There are many Muslims who believe that the idea that all other faiths have been “abrogated” and that the whole of mankind should be united under the banner of Islam must be dropped as a dangerous anachronism. But to the Islamist those Muslims who think like that are themselves regarded as lapsed, and deserving of death.

It is, of course, possible, as many in the West love to do, to ignore the strategic goal of the Islamists altogether and focus only on their tactical goals. These goals are well known and include driving the “Cross-worshippers” (Christian powers) out of the Muslim world, wiping Israel off the map of the Middle East, and replacing the governments of all Muslim countries with truly Islamic regimes like the one created by Ayatollah Khomeini in Iran and by the Taleban in Afghanistan.

How to achieve those objectives has been the subject of much debate in Islamist circles throughout the world, including in London, since 9/11. Bin Laden has consistently argued in favour of further ghazavat inside the West. He firmly believes that the West is too cowardly to fight back and, if terrorised in a big way, will do “what it must do”. That view was strengthened last year when al-Qaeda changed the Spanish Government with its deadly attack in Madrid. At the time bin Laden used his “Madrid victory” to call on other European countries to distance themselves from the United States or face similar “punishment”.

Bin Laden’s view has been challenged by his supposed No 2, Ayman al-Zawahiri, who insists that the Islamists should first win the war inside several vulnerable Muslim countries, notably Afghanistan, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Iraq. Until yesterday it seemed that al-Zawahiri was winning the argument, especially by heating things up in Afghanistan and Iraq. Yesterday, the bin Laden doctrine struck back in London. <o:p></o:p>

 

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This story is total bullshit. And it has all the trade marks of the typical myopic

and obtuseness that afflicts those of us in the "western" world...


One of the dumbest questions i heard yesterday was "Why did they do it"..

The author of that article is ignoring all the obvious answers to this question including the very reasons that the bombers themselves gave for carrying out this distardly event....They even spelt out their reasons in a posting on the internet like all those thugs in iraq did after beheading some one.

THEY ARE PISSED OFF BECAUSE BRITISH FORCES ASSISTED IN THE WAR AGAINST IRAQ!!!!!!


What could be more obvious than that? THEY EVEN WROTE A NOTE!!!Do you really expect me to believe that they actually want to turn England into an Islamic country? That is a pile of manure i can smell all the way from over here..

I am not saying killing people is the right thing to do. But it is equally dumb for some one to over look the most obvious cause of an escalation of violence in favor of some utterly ridiculous fantastic and imagined scenarios...

Those bombs did not go off in China for a good reason, they did not go off in
France for a reason, they didnt go off in Canada for a reason.....

THOSE COUNTRIES ARE NOT CURRENTLY EMBROILED IN AN ILL CONCIEVED MIDDLE-EAST WAR. We are ripping the seeds of death and anger that we sowed our selves!
 

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I must agree with the pimpster here. This is not even a religious attack. It is a political attack, just like Madrid, with the hope of galvanizing support against our misguided policies. They hide under a religious banner, to make it seem as their god endorses it. But this is not about Islam or Muslims, it is about occupying forces and resistance to them. The Soviets tried the same pincher Middle East strategy starting with Afghanistan. They got wasted fast. Now we have two countries, Afghanistan and Iraq. The next step is Iran. And believe me, it is not about religion. It is all about the black gold. This is going to get worse, because this type of terrorism against soft targets is virtually unstoppable.

Best Wishes...OF:howdy:


Pimpster, will use house of worship instead of church from now on. Or maybe Kingdom Hall?
 

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We are at war! Innocents always die in wars! I just don't know why we are at war?:think2:
 
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redpimp says:

THEY ARE PISSED OFF BECAUSE BRITISH FORCES ASSISTED IN THE WAR AGAINST IRAQ!!!!!!

Nice try but that statement is blatantly false.

WAR AGAINST IRAQ - let be a bit more accurate here and say WAR IN IRAQ. Lets be a even little more accurate and say an UNDECLARED WAR ON TERROR.

THEY ARE PISSED OFF BECAUSE BRITISH FORCES ASSISTED IN THE UNDECLARED WAR ON TERROR.


Liberalcons have thrived on duping people.
 

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Jointpleasure said:
redpimp says:

THEY ARE PISSED OFF BECAUSE BRITISH FORCES ASSISTED IN THE WAR AGAINST IRAQ!!!!!!

Nice try but that statement is blatantly false.

WAR AGAINST IRAQ - let be a bit more accurate here and say WAR IN IRAQ. Lets be a even little more accurate and say an UNDECLARED WAR ON TERROR.

THEY ARE PISSED OFF BECAUSE BRITISH FORCES ASSISTED IN THE UNDECLARED WAR ON TERROR.


Liberalcons have thrived on duping people.
I think you look like 'Angel' from the Rockford Files!:party:
 

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Well the War on Terror was declared, after 9/11. It is just about effective as the War on Drugs. I think Iraq had it coming after George Sr. assasination attempt and lobbing innaccurate Scuds at Isreal. But they try to seperate War on Iraq, with WMOD's. Which in turn, never existed. Gulf of Tonkin anyone? So here we are occupying two countries on the other side of the world, one to prevent terror, the other to prevent WMOD's from appearing, since they never were. We are stuck in the ultimate worst terrain, against a fragmented population, who has killed each other for centuries. Warlord country at it's best. Bin Laden could pitch a tent and have a picnic in those mountains. And the terror obviously continues. As far as Iraq, we have two rival religious sects, and another minority people, who all despise each other. But we will win their minds and hearts, and prevent WMODs from magically appearing. These two so called wars are doomed to fail. They will cost countless billions and we all chip in. They were declared after 9/11 or maybe before.

Best Wishes...OF:howdy:
 

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I would rather put my money into Iraq than sending Billions in AID to Africa, Indonesia or who ever elso has their hand out to us. My tax dollars should go to the military not to making living conditions better in Palestine.
 
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You can hide your head in the sand all you want they are not going away and they should never be left alone.Apeasment will on y let them get stronger.
 

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i have no problem attacking the bad guys. Find where they are and bomb the hell out of them and send in the Special Forces guys and finish them off and be back at bragg for 'happy hour'! How bout that Pat?
 

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We have the technology, so do the Isrealites. It is called an unmanned drone, with a howya doin Hellfire missile and video cam. You could launch it from your own living room with zero chance of casualty. Boys stay home and play the deadly video game. Extremely effective, accurate and the best extreme, prejudice. I am convinced once Isreal disposed of the top militants in this method, the bombings slowed down, and miraculously these hardliners started negotiating. They are so brave ordering others to do their dirty work. But when burn in Hellfire missiles are aimed at their chests they seem to turn down the rhetoric. Not so brave after seeing others blown to bits. Surgical precision, very little collateral, maybe a bodyguard. We got 1 Al Queda top guy in Iran, the rest became hidden. I have zero doubt if they had any of the top operatives at a certain confirmed location, they would be on the new fatal, Candid Camera.

Best Wishes...OF:howdy:
 

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Jointpleasure said:
redpimp says:

THEY ARE PISSED OFF BECAUSE BRITISH FORCES ASSISTED IN THE WAR AGAINST IRAQ!!!!!!

Nice try but that statement is blatantly false.

WAR AGAINST IRAQ - let be a bit more accurate here and say WAR IN IRAQ. Lets be a even little more accurate and say an UNDECLARED WAR ON TERROR.

THEY ARE PISSED OFF BECAUSE BRITISH FORCES ASSISTED IN THE UNDECLARED WAR ON TERROR.


Liberalcons have thrived on duping people.


Look man, i am not going to play the symantecs game you Rightwing nuts have perfected so well!

My point here is, no one is interested in lousy arse psychological analysis of a terrorist whose goals are so friggin plain even a blind man could see it...

Regardless of whether you call it a "war in Iraq" or "War on Terror" fact still remains that the reason they blew people up in England yesterday was because they(the bombers) are opposed to British involvement in Iraq justified or NOT. And thats that!


I am not interested in arguing about the falsehood of the "war on terror" in Iraq. Last time i checked no one could prove a single terror link between iraq and any terrorist organization in the world. And when Bush and Blair went to war in Iraq they did not say a damn thing about terrorists...Its after they failed to find WMDS in Iraq that they stretched their lies to ecompass the war on terror.

But we are not here to discuss the validity of the war in Iraq. We are discussing its consequences and the false ideas the author of that article was trying to pass on even in the face of open admissions from the terrorists!
 

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ps...


Please pick up the July 4th issue of Newsweek. There is an excellent article by Fareed Zakaria, page 27, paragraph 4 that has a shockingly accurate prediction on events like those that transpired yesterday. And it specifically talks about a new age of terrorism borne from the back alleys of Iraq by terrorists with european passports. (I read the article on a trip to baltimore last weekend and after the blast i kept remembering reading such a prediction but couldnt finger it. I finally found it in that issue which i still have.)
 
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OMNIVOROUS FROG said:
We have the technology, so do the Isrealites. It is called an unmanned drone, with a howya doin Hellfire missile and video cam. You could launch it from your own living room with zero chance of casualty. Boys stay home and play the deadly video game. Extremely effective, accurate and the best extreme, prejudice. I am convinced once Isreal disposed of the top militants in this method, the bombings slowed down, and miraculously these hardliners started negotiating. They are so brave ordering others to do their dirty work. But when burn in Hellfire missiles are aimed at their chests they seem to turn down the rhetoric. Not so brave after seeing others blown to bits. Surgical precision, very little collateral, maybe a bodyguard. We got 1 Al Queda top guy in Iran, the rest became hidden. I have zero doubt if they had any of the top operatives at a certain confirmed location, they would be on the new fatal, Candid Camera.

Best Wishes...OF:howdy:


Frog,

Ever see The Terminator? It could come to that.

BTW - What the hell are you doing in this forum? Your to good a capper to be messing around in here. Just Kiddin. Good day.
 

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I feel the true agenda is to effect the mind of the commoner. To have them question, is my country's current policy in the Middle East worth risking my life? The Spaniards said no, after Madrid. As far as being predicted, it pretty much was amazing to all the counterintelligence it took so long for an attack on a soft target, Madrid. It takes something for a person to strap explosives to themselves, praise Allah and blow up. But anybody will drop a package off on a train and walk away. I know everyone says it will just strengthen the Brits resolve. But just like our country, support for these fiascos is waning, rapidly. In fact, a Tony Blair rival came out in said, I told you so. He predicted the coalition would result in British civilian deaths. Not to be a coward or anything, but I for one am not willing to risk my or my families lives to support this misguided adventure. It is just a matter of who is next now.

Best Wishes...OF:howdy:
 

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Jointpleasure said:
Frog,

Ever see The Terminator? It could come to that.

BTW - What the hell are you doing in this forum? Your to good a capper to be messing around in here. Just Kiddin. Good day.

It almost has come to pushbutton death for these leaders. Within a few years we will have satellites that can count the hairs on top of your head anywhere in the world. But the coverage will be 100X better. Then we locate and terminate with extreme prejudice.

As far as being here, I have really studied this terrorism subject, especially involving Isreal, fearing it would come to what it has. Talk about movies, reminds me more of Brazil. Just killing time between horses.

Best Wishes...OF:howdy:
 

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