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This struck me the other night. A way to maybe change around our inner cities. I think everyone agrees that the only hope we have is thru education. However throwing money at the schools just doesn't seem to work. Maybe if we tied welfare to school performance. If you are going to receive government aid for a child, maybe that child should need to maintain a B average.Kid drops or flunks out, no more $ for that child. Maybe some parents would take a greater interest in their child's school work. Any thoughts?
 

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Could you imagine the fraud that would begin to take place? I like the idea though.

The government has created this monster, and it will not be easy to make ANY type of reform to. Kinda like gun control...ain't gonna happen unless it's through some backdoor legislated con game made by the current admin.
 

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This struck me the other night. A way to maybe change around our inner cities. I think everyone agrees that the only hope we have is thru education. However throwing money at the schools just doesn't seem to work. Maybe if we tied welfare to school performance. If you are going to receive government aid for a child, maybe that child should need to maintain a B average.Kid drops or flunks out, no more $ for that child. Maybe some parents would take a greater interest in their child's school work. Any thoughts?

I don't agree with this at all.

Education delivered by even more dysfunctional bureaucracy, isn't the answer. You can have all the education in the world, if you don't apply it properly or are just intellectually lazy, you'll end up in the same place as the man who can't read, write or spell.

A strong work ethic and discipline are the main keys to becoming successful at anything in life.

America used to be a merit-based society. Now it's an entitlement society. There's no sugar-coating reality or any shortcuts to success: if you reward and nurture failure, you will get more of it. This is true whether you are training a dog, raising a child, or...the misguided modern leftist ideology of Utopian Social Engineering.
 

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Great in theory Joe, impossible at this point in practice. There has to be a way to break the cycle. Otherwise the US is fucked. And telling people they should have a strong work ethic is not the answer. They need to be taught work ethic as some of us were.
 

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And if we really want to encourage work ethic, maybe we should outlaw all inheritances. Why should people inherit millions of dollars that they never worked for?
 

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And if we really want to encourage work ethic, maybe we should outlaw all inheritances. Why should people inherit millions of dollars that they never worked for?

Because the #1 goal of most parents is to see their children have a better life than they did. This idea I don't like, but I like the idea in the OP in theory at least. Of course that could backfire too as you might create thousands of Adrian Peterson parents if there's a threat the check won't be coming.
 

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By the way the thread title scared me. I thought it was another idea about how to fix this forum.

Like all the others that have been so successful in the past ;-)
 

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Teachers would simply give all the poor, illiterate children A's & B's.

If that didn't happen, a judge would toss it. This idea may be worthwhile but would never be implemented in America.
 

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This struck me the other night. A way to maybe change around our inner cities. I think everyone agrees that the only hope we have is thru education. However throwing money at the schools just doesn't seem to work. Maybe if we tied welfare to school performance. If you are going to receive government aid for a child, maybe that child should need to maintain a B average.Kid drops or flunks out, no more $ for that child. Maybe some parents would take a greater interest in their child's school work. Any thoughts?

I'm thinking along the same lines

I suggest we reward inner city children for graduating and for academic performance and NOT reward them for teenage pregnancies

We'd save a lot of money and improve a lot of lives



PS: that may be your longest post ever
 

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and be careful Judge, you may be joining the racist hit list with that type of thinking
 

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Great in theory Joe, impossible at this point in practice.

If you mean politically unpalatable, I would agree.

There has to be a way to break the cycle.

How do you "break the cycle" of failure if you're unwilling to cut off the cancer (entitlement society) that feeds it? You're not going to find any effective practical solutions within a framework that is fundamentally flawed and contrary to human nature. Nurturing failure = MORE failure.

Otherwise the US is fucked.

Right.

And telling people they should have a strong work ethic is not the answer. They need to be taught work ethic as some of us were.

Some of us were taught to have a strong work ethic because we had strong father figures in our life which cultivated it. Those days are long gone. Dominant, confident males are portrayed as insane abusers and rapists. Got mad once and called her a bitch? Verbal abuse. She took a swing at you, and you restrained her wrist? Physical abuse. Spank and discipline your child? Child abuse. Guns are banned because they're 'dangerous', and the monkey bars we grew up with have been dismantled because every now and then some aaaktard fell off and broke his arm. Born with a penis but feel like a woman? The LGBT community and modern school curriculum can help.

Masculinity in general is under assault, smothered by constant rules, laws, regulations gaystream media propaganda, all designed to strip society of its masculine energy, so people are easier to control and become more productive members in society...at least in theory.

None of this bullshit works.

Human nature is what it is.

The left's institutionalized feminized welfare state did nothing incentivize out of wedlock children creating new generations weak, lazy, 'broken' people, especially in the "inner cities."

Nurturing failure creates more failure. And by the time politicians and social engineers are ready to impose their next wave of 'solutions' the vicious cycle starts repeating all over.

The solution?

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Teachers would simply give all the poor, illiterate children A's & B's.

If that didn't happen, a judge would toss it. This idea may be worthwhile but would never be implemented in America.

Yeah, imagine that - teachers cheating. Happened with No Child Left Behind.

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This struck me the other night. A way to maybe change around our inner cities. I think everyone agrees that the only hope we have is thru education. However throwing money at the schools just doesn't seem to work. Maybe if we tied welfare to school performance. If you are going to receive government aid for a child, maybe that child should need to maintain a B average.Kid drops or flunks out, no more $ for that child. Maybe some parents would take a greater interest in their child's school work. Any thoughts?

It would be interesting to perhaps align that with the parents themselves demonstrating at least high school literacy, as I am reasonably confident the major influence on a young person's literacy levels at age 18 are how much literacy is in their respective households

Allow adults to test (at any age) and if deficient they could enroll in a five to eight hour a week program to help them raise their literacy. This would likely involve additional reading and books at home which then stimulates the yutes to emulate.

And then when both the adults and youths in a household demonstrate legitimate improvement in literacy, increased access to support funding is available and more happily distributed because the household is truly improving

Whether they overtly acknowledge it or not, most young people at least until mid teenage years emulate the adults within their homes and neighborhood support structures.

No amount of public (or private for that matter) funding or "programs" have strong success chances if the primaryh adult role models are themselves illiterate
 

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Fortunately, teen (17 and under) pregnancies are showing steady decline from the late half of the 20th century. The more we can reduce teens having babies, the more we increase their legitimate possibilites to honestly change immature behavior patterns to more thoughtful, mature behavior as they hit age 21-25

You know, the time in life when most of us reading this thread made very significant changes in our own lives compared to some of the youthful indiscretions we practiced from age 14-20
 

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Birth control on demand for any female (or male) who wants it. The cost of providing it dramatically outweighs the price of publicly subsidizing an unwed female age 15-25

Increased access to morning after pills and first trimester abortions would also reduce unwanted and often (for a 15-25 year old female especially) financially crippling babies
 

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My good buddy Barman is dictating from across the sports bar almost faster than I can type
 

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