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America's shitty Drug Plan finally Collapses - [War on Drugs]
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Washington's "war on drugs" in Colombia is collapsing in chaos and corruption, while drug producers remain the winners. 'Plan Colombia', which has cost the US [losers] more than 3 billion dollars (£1.6bn) in the past 5 years, is being abandoned, Condoleezza Rice has announced.

Last year, the hugely expensive effort to poison coca bushes - whose leaves are the source of cocaine - by aerial spraying ended in complete failure. More bushes were flourishing in January this year than in January 2004. Meanwhile, complaints have been multiplying regarding the damage done by chemical poisons to the health of humans, especially children, as well as to livestock, fish and the environment. Plan Colombia was designed to eradicate narcotics, control powerful left-wing guerrillas and strengthen the position of the US military in South America. The scheme was eventually expected to cost $7.5bn.

The government of Colombia, the world's principal source of cocaine, has sent out an emergency appeal to the Bush administration for an extra $130m to supplement the $600m it already expects to receive in 2006. Kiss your tax dollars goodbye, Americans. Bush fucked up, once again.

No wonder the CIA has smuggled cocaine in the past - how could they afford not to?

Colombia's appeal for more cash comes in the wake of the details quietly put out by the White House during the Easter holiday about last year's spraying débâcle. On January 1st, 2004, US satellite pictures showed 281,323 acres of coca in Colombia. Nearly 340,000 acres were sprayed with poison, in vain. The acreage of coca bushes has since increased and will probably continue to do so.

Consequently, as Congressman Bob Menendez, leader of the Democratic caucus in the US lower house and a critic of Plan Colombia, remarked last week, the international price of cocaine has refused to rise - as it would have if the anti-drug efforts had dented its availability.

Drug profits have corrupted some US troops stationed in Colombia. This month a US Green Beret lieutenant-colonel and a sergeant were caught selling 32,900 rounds of ammunition to the right-wing death squads who are flush with drug profits. In March, five US soldiers were arrested after 16 kilos of cocaine were found in the aircraft taking them from a military base in southern Colombia back to the US.

I'm surprised the US hasn't gone after Colombia's oil yet.

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Basic Business 101...Supply=Demand. If we as Americans didnt spend our disposable income on drugs there would be no need for Columbian drugs. As long as there is a huge demand the supply will be met... from Columbia or some other country.
 

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I said it at the time when US sent that $1 Billion to Columbia to 'fight drugs' it should have just been labeled a cocaine price support subsidy becaus ethat is all it was from the beginning.
 
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If cocaine were made in the US it would have been legal there long ago. The only reason my gov't is now considering loosening the rules on marijuana possession is that Canada is beginning to corner the market.

The laws of Comparative Advantage.
 

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Agree with Kyhawk, it's the law of supply and demand. This was doomed to failure from the start; even if they were successful in decreasing the supply of cocaine, without eliminating the demand, the price would just increase on the cocaine.

Here's a novel idea, (that hasn't been tried yet), since it's already illegal to use these drugs, (cocaine, marijuana, et al), why not try putting the users in jail? That would decrease the demand. Instead we have advertised that we are just going after the drug dealers, ie. the suppliers, without punishing the users at all. So this tells the users, (the demand side of the equation), that they can use these drugs with impunity, even though they're illegal. We never had the courage to fight this war on drugs, and thus we are reaping the ill effects of our cowardice.
 
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doug stewart said:
Agree with Kyhawk, it's the law of supply and demand. This was doomed to failure from the start; even if they were successful in decreasing the supply of cocaine, without eliminating the demand, the price would just increase on the cocaine.

Here's a novel idea, (that hasn't been tried yet), since it's already illegal to use these drugs, (cocaine, marijuana, et al), why not try putting the users in jail? That would decrease the demand. Instead we have advertised that we are just going after the drug dealers, ie. the suppliers, without punishing the users at all. So this tells the users, (the demand side of the equation), that they can use these drugs with impunity, even though they're illegal. We never had the courage to fight this war on drugs, and thus we are reaping the ill effects of our cowardice.

Yeah, we don't waste enough money on prisons now. Lets send all the drug users to prison too. F uck that, lets just kill anyone who uses drugs, that will stop it.
 
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I have to disagree with you on this one Doug...the jail's are overcrowded and we are putting away guys who smoke weed while we have these child molestors/rapists running around after 3-5 offenses. All of these children getting killed lately is sickening.

I don't use drugs and never have...but I would much rather see a giggling, hungry, weed smoker on the streets than these sick bastards that are out there now. I'm not convinced marijuana is worth punishing anymore than cigarettes or alcohol.
 

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I agree with the Clipper...:103631605
 

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As much as I am against drugs, there should be a modification as to what is really worse...serious child sex offenders should not be given a second chance...they should be castrated
 

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I have used Alcohol and Marijuana since the Korean Conflict and have been around both drugs a long time..it is pretty obvious which one is lethal!

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lvoldtimer said:
I have used Alcohol and Marijuana since the Korean Conflict and have been around both drugs a long time..it is pretty obvious which one is lethal!

lvoldtimer

Well of course , the one that is legal.
 
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xpanda said:
If cocaine were made in the US it would have been legal there long ago. The only reason my gov't is now considering loosening the rules on marijuana possession is that Canada is beginning to corner the market.

The laws of Comparative Advantage.

Cocaine was produce in the USA about 60 years ago by the pharmacutical companies MERCK and PARKE-DAVIS. They imported the leaf and/or paste and processed it into cocaine HCL (hydrocloride)

The leaf is still in use in the USA today, but under HEAVY security by none other than the worlds largest softdrink maker... Coca-Cola:drink:
 
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As Chris Rock says they ban anything that might make "brown" people rich. "If its all white, its alright". Funny stuff, but oh so true.
 
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lol... Chris Rock is halerious. Bigger and Blacker.
 
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Prohibition didn't work for alcohol and it's not working for drugs either.
 
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It's all politics. Rich get richer poor get poorer.
 
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newton0038 said:
Cocaine was produce in the USA about 60 years ago by the pharmacutical companies MERCK and PARKE-DAVIS. They imported the leaf and/or paste and processed it into cocaine HCL (hydrocloride)

The leaf is still in use in the USA today, but under HEAVY security by none other than the worlds largest softdrink maker... Coca-Cola:drink:

The drug companies still produce it. It is used in liquid form these days in some operations.
 
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newton0038 said:
The leaf is still in use in the USA today, but under HEAVY security by none other than the worlds largest softdrink maker... Coca-Cola:drink:
That's a myth. Coca-Cola has'nt contained cocaine since 1929.


http://www.snopes.com/cokelore/cocaine.asp

Go pull somebody else's leg :shoota:
 
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The fact that most in-mates are in prison because of drug related offenses really bothers me. I think it is insane that any law maker is able to sleep fine at night, knowing that people are in prison for fulfilling a supply/demand gap.

The number one defense against making drugs illegal is the theory that drugs are addictive and can cause death via overdose. Our entire country is slowly being killed with fried foods, yet, there is no law against using Crisco. And there never will be in our lifetime.

The other argument, that drugs produce more crime, may be true. But that is only because drugs are so expensive. Drugs are only expensive because the sellers of drugs risk huge prison sentences for selling them. Make them legal, put them in the stores, collect the taxes and the prices for drugs will plummet. When people don't need $1,000 a week to support their habit, crime will drop, won't it?

People are killed in drug related disputes. True. But again, if they were legal, the drug dealers would not exist. The drug dealers would be legitimate fortune 500 companies, selling their product through legitimate retail outlets like Walgreens and Walmart and Seven Eleven.

Later,
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Books Worst Enemy said:
The fact that most in-mates are in prison because of drug related offenses really bothers me. I think it is insane that any law maker is able to sleep fine at night, knowing that people are in prison for fulfilling a supply/demand gap.

The number one defense against making drugs illegal is the theory that drugs are addictive and can cause death via overdose. Our entire country is slowly being killed with fried foods, yet, there is no law against using Crisco. And there never will be in our lifetime.

The other argument, that drugs produce more crime, may be true. But that is only because drugs are so expensive. Drugs are only expensive because the sellers of drugs risk huge prison sentences for selling them. Make them legal, put them in the stores, collect the taxes and the prices for drugs will plummet. When people don't need $1,000 a week to support their habit, crime will drop, won't it?

People are killed in drug related disputes. True. But again, if they were legal, the drug dealers would not exist. The drug dealers would be legitimate fortune 500 companies, selling their product through legitimate retail outlets like Walgreens and Walmart and Seven Eleven.

Later,
Books Worst Enemy



no offense, but your post really pissed me off. tell this to somebody who lost a loved one to some crackhead that didnt know what he was doing when he shot or stabbed them....
 

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