ALL THE PEOPLE THAT ARE CONVINCED WSEX WOULD HAVE GRADED HIS TICKET A LOSER IF THE GAME IN QUESTION WOULD HAVE LOST....AND THINK ALL SPORTSBOOKS WOULD

dimeplayersonly · Aug 24, 2003

everyone of you guys that thinks that if you make a type of wager that you know the book does not accept, but that somehow someway it gets past the software or clerk or whatever..

and the book realizes this bet should be no-action....but decides to "wait and see" if they win...hahaha....if we lose....oh no thats no-action sir...

if you guys think a legit book would do this....you have a very bad perception of bookmakers and probably wouldnt know honour if it slapped you in the mouth

first of all as a bookmaker, i deal with stiffs, cheats, snitch on your own mother-types all the time.....

let me explain something to you.......its because of this that a bookmaker WILL NOT "wait and see if we win or lose" before making a decision on whether it has action or not..because that means hes just like the above turds........

to say if that guy would have lost his bet Wsex would have graded it a loser instead of no-action... only tells me what kind of person you REALLY are......

FatFrank · Aug 24, 2003

>tells me what kind of person you REALLY are......

Dime, when would you have canceled the bets in the software?

1)Before the gm (WSEX had time)

2)During the gm

3)After the gm

nets2k2 · Aug 24, 2003

Just because you think you and your bookie friends have honor is dandy and all, but not all bookies are honorable. I know it might come as a shock to you but some are also looking at taking a shot at the players.

An honorable bookie would have canceled the bet BEFORE the game as soon as he saw it, not AFTER the match is over.

VaultedTreehouse · Aug 24, 2003

Exactly nets, dimesplayer, I know you live around me in the best city in the world, but not everyone is like you, and I guarantee there are book that would take the low road. I don't think WSEX is that, but they are out there.

matahari · Aug 24, 2003

The bigger the book - the lesser the chance it would stiff players. Honesty equals to the turnover size in this business.

outandup · Aug 24, 2003

end of story. Has Steve said that was not possible?

nets2k2 · Aug 24, 2003

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by matahari:
The bigger the book - the lesser the chance it would stiff players. Honesty equals to the turnover size in this business.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Doesnt apply to Aces Gold right?

lurkerforages · Aug 24, 2003

how do you know what they would have done?

Regardless of what you "think" they would have done, they didn`t cancel before the event.
If they knew there was a problem before the event then why not cancel before the event.
Pretty simple unless you had something else in mind??????

If revere would have come here and said my bets lost so I should get a refund I am sure most would have said "no way, you lost"

You cannot have it both ways.

Sounds like its OK for the book to take a shot.
There are lots of cases of some large books doing some pretty underhand things so don`t think it can`t happen.

I am biased because I am a player, you are biased because you are a bookie.
I do give you the upmost respect for being upfront unlike others who post without disclosure.

I would not have done what revere did because I would be worried about cancellation before the event.
He was obviously scalping across exchanges and covering as the bets came in.

Hope wsex learned a lesson that if you cancel before the event you won`t have all these problems.

nets2k2 · Aug 24, 2003

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by dimeplayersonly:
first of all as a bookmaker, i deal with stiffs, cheats, snitch on your own mother-types all the time.......<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

And as a player I deal with stiffs, cheats, snitch on your own mother types of bookies all the time.

outandup · Aug 24, 2003

to think WSEX would not have kept every penny if the final was 2-1 in favor of the book.

FatFrank · Aug 24, 2003

Back in 30 mins... Will read your answer.

Dime, when would you have canceled the bets in the software?

1)Before the gm (WSEX had time)

2)During the gm

3)After the gm

EveryGamblersDream · Aug 24, 2003

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by outandup:
to think WSEX would not have kept every penny if the final was 2-1 in favor of the book.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You not knowing integrity is comical. Where were all the WSEX bashers when they refunded wagers eventhough they had won.

D2bets · Aug 24, 2003

Actually it doesn't matter what WSEX's intention for the delay was. The mere fact of the undue and unreasonable delay to cancel is unaccpetable ansd rendered the wagers no longer voidable. The fact is they were either taking a shot OR they were grossly incompetent. In either case, WSEX should lose. WSEX should have understood the appearance of impropriety in waiting 5 hours until after the game to void the wagers and was under a duty to cancel as soon as reasonably possible. And once again, cancelling does not requre speaking with the player. Simply not necessary. So the contact info is no excuse.

Guys, this is the bottomline here. The players actions rendered the wagers VOIDABLE but once that determination is made, and regardless of the scuminess of the player, the book still has the absolute resposibility to cancel as soon as reasonably possible. WSEX, to this point from what I've seen, simply has not given any plausible explnantion as to why to took 5 hours to cancel. Until such an explanation if offered, WSEX should not be allowed to post-cancel the wager. I'm willing to consider some slight odds adjustments, but no cancellations.

outandup · Aug 24, 2003

Do you work for a book?

Steve said he knew of the 40 dime wager, if he did not want the action then why not just go into the account and cancel. Wouldn't that be better than cancelling after the match is a WINNER.

I've never bet soccer in my life. From what I understand there's 2 ways to lose. You can bet a winner or bet a tie. This match was tied late, so the odds of WSEX winning late was 66.6% with a tie of 1-1. Hmmmm..... 5 hours later and still the wagers were good. Is this wrong?

matahari · Aug 24, 2003

To cancel bets is a sure way to lose customers. Handle the action properly or just don't offer the events you cannot handle. Logistics part is the book's worry and a thing customers don't even have to know about.

htudor · Aug 24, 2003

Why don,t sportsbooks just come on to sites like this and state that "so "and "so "made illegal bets and We will honor only 500. We tried to contact him or her but the number was not working.He can see from our post that He is only liable for 500.

nets2k2 · Aug 24, 2003

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by htudor:
Why don,t sportsbooks just come on to sites like this and state that "so "and "so "made illegal bets and We will honor only 500. We tried to contact him or her but the number was not working.He can see from our post that He is only liable for 500.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Because then the book wont be able to take their shot at the players money.

FatFrank · Aug 24, 2003

Well... well... well.

No answer

I wonder why?

FatFrank · Aug 24, 2003

There is a saying among lawyers: When you have the facts, argue the facts. When you have the law, argue the law. When you have neither the facts nor the law, pound on the table.

dimeplayersonly · Aug 24, 2003

phuk you frank.........

you guys think Wsex was gonna take a shot and wait for the outcome.....ok i will concede that both player/book were trying to scew each other.....happy now..

if you guys think legit books would consider doing this.....then why would you even send your money to them???

ff....first of all i wouldnt get myself into the situation Wsex did....but if i took a bet......later realizing i should not have booked it i would...attempt to contact the player...before the game...if i couldnt not do this...then i would give the player action