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The American Civil Liberties Union will file a suit today challenging a Pennsylvania school district that teaches alternatives to the theory of evolution alongside Darwinism.

The Pennsylvania ACLU and Americans United for Separation of Church and State have scheduled a news conference for today to discuss the lawsuit against the Dover Area School District, the Associated Press reported. The suit was to be filed in U.S. District Court in Harrisburg, Pa.

On Oct. 18, the Dover school board voted 6-3 to add the teaching of "intelligent design" to its ninth-grade biology curricula. Without identifying who the "designer" might be, the theory of intelligent design says the complexity and order of the universe and mankind suggest the action of an intelligent cause rather than random chance.

According to AP, school board member William Buckingham said he proposed the change as a way of balancing evolution with competing theories that raised questions about its scientific validity.

At the time the new policy was adopted, district officials said they would monitor Dover High School biology lessons "to make sure no one is promoting but also not inhibiting religion."

The ACLU, however, takes no comfort in that assurance and sees intelligent design as a more secular form of creationism, the biblically based view of the Earth's origin. As such, AP reported, the legal group says the Dover policy violates the First Amendment Establishment Clause of the Constitution.

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Will that class be offered in addition to Alchemy 101. I do hope Historical Necromancy won't be expunged to accommodate it.
 

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I couldnt' agree more. The theory of "God tapped his heels three times and said 'there's no creation like man, there's no creation like man, there's no creation like man'" is a such a more sensible explanation.
 

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lander said:
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I couldnt' agree more. The theory of "God tapped his heels three times and said 'there's no creation like man, there's no creation like man, there's no creation like man'" is a such a more sensible explanation.
LMAO.

Funny thing is, this is coming from the anti-public school gang who complain that schools aren't doing their job. That argument might be well and good, but teaching creationism is their solution?? What about when y'all learn about genetics and such? Do you explain that women came from Adam's rib instead of bothering with that pesky X and Y chromosome stuff??

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It's more realistic to believe a higher power is behind all we see today. It's way more of a stretch to believe this all JUST occured out nothing. Believe as you wish if you're wrong burn in hell..
 

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GAMEFACE said:
It's more realistic to believe a higher power is behind all we see today. It's way more of a stretch to believe this all JUST occured out nothing. Believe as you wish if you're wrong burn in hell..
If we're so complicated to have needed a creator to exist, so complicated that the big bang theory is absolutely impossible, is it not safe to say that the creator of us should also be more complicated than us? And if this is true, then who created the creator?

And so on.

Teaching creationism as a credible theory of human existence is cheating your kids. There's no other way around that. It's dishonest.
 

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Teaching creationism as a credible theory of human existence is cheating your kids.

Interesting. This coming from someone who, just on another thread in this forum, was all for teaching kids about religious tolerance and ideas.

Got news for you, XP. Most (if not all) religions in the world today teach creationism. Do you plan on leaving that detail out of the teachings just because you happen to disagree with it?

I'm not a religious zealot, but I do believe there had to be some kind of higher power involved in kickstarting the whole process of life. That can't be proven, but it can't be disproven either. I believe there are some things which go on in this universe that our tiny human minds just can't comprehend.

Sure, scientists have been able to duplicate cells...but have never been able to "create" life in labratory without the assistance of another living organism. I wouldn't bet on that changing any time soon (like, ever). No species is going to evolve solely from a perty dish. Does that tell you something...?
 

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GAMEFACE said:
It's way more of a stretch to believe this all JUST occured out nothing. Believe as you wish if you're wrong burn in hell..
In other words, you're faking out an onmipotent God "just in case." :nono5:
Um, dum dum ... if he's omnipotent he might be on to you ...

nah, *** it, I doubt God can stomach listening to your stupidity either.
 

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Schools don't exist to make kids smarter. They exist to make kids dumber. Turn them into good little brainwashed zombies ripe for plucking by the military or cubicle hell. :drink:
 

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lander said:
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I couldnt' agree more. The theory of "God tapped his heels three times and said 'there's no creation like man, there's no creation like man, there's no creation like man'" is a such a more sensible explanation.

I respect people who question the existence of God. However, don't deny other people from learning about creationism.

You imply their is no logic for people who believe in creation. But how do Scientists and Atheists explain that life generated spontaneously from nonliving chemicals by natural laws without any intelligent intervention?

They believe that a one-celled animal known as an amoeba (or something like it) came together by spontaneous generation .... But it is now known there is incredible complexity in the message found in the DNA of a one-celled amoeba (a creature so small, several hundred could be lined up in an inch).

The message found in just the cell nucleus of a tiny amoeba is more than all 30 volumes of the Encyclopedia Britannica combined, and the entire amoeba has as much information in its DNA as 1,000 complete sets of the Encyclopedia Britannica." And it must be emphasized that these 1,000 encyclopedias do not consist of random letters but of letters in a very specific order – just like real encyclopedias.

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JDeuce said:
Teaching creationism as a credible theory of human existence is cheating your kids.

Interesting. This coming from someone who, just on another thread in this forum, was all for teaching kids about religious tolerance and ideas.

Your inability to actually read what I write is getting on my nerves.

I said:

Teaching creationism as a credible theory of human existence is cheating your kids.

I do think public schools should teach about other religions. And, in that context, they can teach creationism. But to teach it in science class is intellectually dishonest.

I'm not a religious zealot, but I do believe there had to be some kind of higher power involved in kickstarting the whole process of life. That can't be proven, but it can't be disproven either.

The idea behind science, is to teach those things which are proven, or are at least in the process of being proven. While neither the big bang theory nor evolution are 100% solidly confirmed (and I do recall learning about the Theory of Evolution, btw) they at least offer some degree of evidence. Creationism has ZERO evidence to back it up. If anything, the theory of creation is being disproven with every fossil find, etc.

Teach it in religion class, not in science class.
 

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You imply their is no logic for people who believe in creation. But how do Scientists and Atheists explain that life generated spontaneously from nonliving chemicals by natural laws without any intelligent intervention?

What is interesting is that neither the Big Bang theory nor the Theory of Evolution eliminate the possibility of 'intelligent intervention' being behind it all. The main problem with the creationist theory of Christianity is that it adheres so strictly to a 6-day, Adam and Eve version that defies logic, never mind evidence.

My question to you, however: if it is so implausible that an amoeba could have existed spontaneously without another intelligent form to create it, how could the intelligent form have existed in the first place? I presume this intelligent interventionist is more complex than an amoeba???
 

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xpanda said:
What is interesting is that neither the Big Bang theory nor the Theory of Evolution eliminate the possibility of 'intelligent intervention' being behind it all. The main problem with the creationist theory of Christianity is that it adheres so strictly to a 6-day, Adam and Eve version that defies logic, never mind evidence.

My question to you, however: if it is so implausible that an amoeba could have existed spontaneously without another intelligent form to create it, how could the intelligent form have existed in the first place? I presume this intelligent interventionist is more complex than an amoeba???

I don't believe and many Christians I know also don't believe the universe was created in 6 days.
When you ask who Created God, you are making the assumption that God was created. If God is a being that is unlimited in time, & if He has access to every piece of time as if it were now, the question of who created God is invalid. The problem is like asking a student to draw a four-sided triangle. The terminology is self-contradictory.
 

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I don't believe and many Christians I know also don't believe the universe was created in 6 days.
Okay, so could the theories of the Big Bang and Evolution still be consistent with creationism? Could god not have put all the variables in motion to set off the big bang and from which all life followed? Why do creationists scoff at the idea of evolution? How does that theory insult god?

When you ask who Created God, you are making the assumption that God was created. If God is a being that is unlimited in time, & if He has access to every piece of time as if it were now, the question of who created God is invalid. The problem is like asking a student to draw a four-sided triangle. The terminology is self-contradictory.
Well, I don't think god was created, obviously. So I have no assumption on this matter. I am wondering how you can believe that we are so complicated as to have required a creator, yet our creator does not need a creator. And, no, it's not like asking a student to draw a four-sided triangle, thought the effort is cute.

You're saying that god has access to all time, but you're not saying that time does not exist without god. If time exists without god, then god did indeed have a beginning. Howso?
 

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