Abu Ghraib the New MY Lai.

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Abu Ghraib, Saddam Hussein's prison that became a torture chamber for US military intelligence, will undoubtedly take its place with the My Lai massacre in Vietnam as a symbol of the brutality of which some Americans are sometimes capable. This time with pictures, which are now being flashed around the Islamic world. In Baghdad, a tabloid newspaper enjoying Iraq's newly minted freedom of the press spreads across its front page the pictures of brutalized prisoners and smiling Americans. The caption: "This is the democracy and freedom that Bush promised us."
For President Bush, who has described himself as "shaken" and voiced his "deep disgust," this scandal couldn't have come at a worse time. It's bound to complicate negotiations for a turnover of sovereignty to the Iraqis on June 30.

The Army has gone into a familiar defensive crouch. "An aberration," Joint Chiefs Chairman Richard Myers called it Sunday, adding that he'd not yet seen the 53-page internal report completed in late February. That report detailed the "sadistic, blatant, and wanton" abuse of prisoners. Nor had Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld seen the report until this week. Nor was Brig. Gen. Janice Karpinski aware of what was going on in a prison for which she bore command responsibility.

They and the world know now, thanks to the The New Yorker's Seymour Hersh and the CBS "60 Minutes II" program. The leak of the internal report suggests that some constructive whistle-blowing was going on in the military. Already 13 soldiers have been summarily reprimanded, and now, in an effort at damage control, a plethora of investigations are planned by the Army and the CIA. They'll look into the actions of military personnel and the civilians to whom military responsibilities have been increasingly outsourced. Courts-martial will undoubtedly follow. To congressional defense and intelligence committees, this scandal is well-nigh irresistible, and hearings on Capitol Hill are likely.

But after all of the inquiries and head-shaking, the abuse of often defenseless detainees is an episode that, like My Lai, will leave a lasting stain.

Christian Science Monitor.
 

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those prisoners got what they deserve, its ridiculous to even call this "abuse" they were humiliated and made fun of - thats a far cry from being abused. it seems to have been very effective. What we should do is burn them alive on TV and then string them up on bridges and power lines for a few days like they did to our people in Fallujia.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by jeffry22:
those prisoners got what they deserve, its ridiculous to even call this "abuse" they were humiliated and made fun of - thats a far cry from being abused. it seems to have been very effective. What we should do is burn them alive on TV and then string them up on bridges and power lines for a few days like they did to our people in Fallujia.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Jeffry, did you miss the picture of the man they BEAT TO DEATH?
 

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My Lai occured after Charlie company spent 2 months taking casualties from booby traps in the Vietnamese jungle. Not in any way to condone their barbaric acts, you can understand in a limited way what these GIs were going through

Abu Ghraib is actually WORSE than My Lai because there is absolutely no justification for the murder, torture and rapes that occured there.

The US has lost its moral high ground in this action and also any justification it may have once had for invading Iraq
 

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Geez Wil - what's the matter with you; you're comparing the wiping out of a village, men, women, and children, with the abuse and humiliation of prisoners.

I expect this from the leftists who, in their ever-lasting shame for turning their backs on Vietnam Vets, will always justify that stance with misleading rhetoric.

As a Viet Vet, you should know better; I'm embarrassed for you!
 

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And so the desperation to turn everything into a Vietnam flashback continues.

Here's a clue to the lefties: The Vietnam War is finished. Get over it.
 

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Shotgun, those who forget (or "get over") history are doomed to repeat it. Valuable lessons are to be learned from Vietnam. Lessons that these neocon chickenhawks never learned in the first place and so not surprisingly are repeating....hopefully not dooming this great nation. It's no wonder why I notice an inordinate number of Vietnam vets are against this war. They know their histiry firsthand.
 

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GW Bush cannot learn the lessons from Vietnam because he spent that entire era in a cocaine/alcohol stupor.
 

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I don't get the selective memory of the right wing:

Remember Pearl Harbor, "Get over Vietnam"...

Remember the Alamo, "Get over Slavery"

Remember who saved Europe in WW2, "get over" who saved America in the Revolutionary war
 

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boo hoo,boo hoo,boo hoo.theyre lucky the guards didnt beat them all to death.their body odor most likely made the guards crazy from their stench.that prison probaly smells like a bronx chinese fish market in august.notice to all iraqi prisioners from here out.WASH YOUR ASS,MUHAMMED
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by miked429:
boo hoo,boo hoo,boo hoo.theyre lucky the guards didnt beat them all to death.their body odor most likely made the guards crazy from their stench.that prison probaly smells like a bronx chinese fish market in august.notice to all iraqi prisioners from here out.WASH YOUR ASS,MUHAMMED<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wow, you officially said "Boo-hoo" to Murder and child rape.

Just kill yourself now, dude.
 

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oh well!!!!.and if i killed myself your mother wouldnt be able to get over it.that no way to talk to your daddy,son
 

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I havent seen the one that they beat to death yet, but he must have done something real bad to deserve that - I have utmost faith that our soldiers did the right thing.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I have utmost faith that our soldiers did the right thing. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You have utmost faith in 18 and 19 year olds? Christ man, let alone trusting them to what is best in an International occupation scenario, I don't trust an 18 or 19 year old valet with my car.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by D2bets:
Shotgun, those who forget (or "get over") history are doomed to repeat it. Valuable lessons are to be learned from Vietnam. Lessons that these neocon chickenhawks never learned in the first place and so not surprisingly are repeating....hopefully not dooming this great nation. It's no wonder why I notice an inordinate number of Vietnam vets are against this war. They know their histiry firsthand.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I see the logic D2. My Lai= Bad, Abu-Gharib= Bad, therefore My Lai= Abu-Gharib. Quite a sophisticated reasoning there.

Please don't expect us to believe your talk about an "inordinate number of Vietnam veterans against the war". I'm sure the circles you run in don't have many people in favor of actions in Iraq. Just as the circle I run in are in favor of action. Try spending a few hours at the VFW and you'll find plenty of support from Vietnam veterans.

You might want to ask them about that war hero John Kerry as well. Some veterans don't enjoy being called war criminals. Imagine that.
 

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