A skumbag service exposed

[whoyacrappin]

This was found elsewhere, but check out the tricks this Greg Dempson utilizes to make a profit.


Name: Greg Dempson
Subject: Another tough weekend for me
Body of Message:

at Greg Dempson Sports (gregdempson.com). I seriously doubt that I will be able to update my record on my website, which I haven't been able to do since about a month ago. I have the time to update my record, but I don't have the balls to do so, since I've been doing nothing but digging a grave for my clients in the past month. If I kept an updated record, it would be too obvious for everyone to see that my service is a sham and that I'm no better than Jim Feist, Lenny Stevens, Stu Feiner, etc.

You people need to understand that in the sports service racket, marketing rules. I have my good friend Sonny Palermo to help me out. Sonny of course moderates everyedge.com. Sonny doesn't allow anyone to speak highly of services on that site, but he does allow me to post there from time to time and Sonny likes it when his members speak highly of my service. You see Sonny and I do a radio gig together, so in essence we both scratch each other's backs.

The radio show has done wonders for me, it allows me to pimp my service and sound like a real football expert. The listeners from the show come to my site, how on earth could I expose myself if I kept an honest record?

The same holds true for the everyedge newsletter, for which I am an expert writer. I toss out my best pick (shhh I don't want anyone to know this) weekly in this paper and I do have a good record in the weekly column. Of course readers of the paper come to my website and sign up for my service, of course less would sign up if I kept an honest, up to date record.

If you stop by my website, tell me what you think. My sponsors, Bet Royal, Pan Am and Milennium each pay me for the losses my clients incur. I've sent numerous clients over to sign up with each of these sports books and these books are gracious enough to put some extra money in my pockets when my picks fizzle out (which they have been doing the past month).

I still do some other little gimmicks to get suckers to come visit my site or sign up with my service. I like to use my friend Sonny Palermo's forum to post stuff like this:

Here's a 2 team 6.5 point teaser situation that hasn't lost since the bye week came into play back in 1990; a 6.5 point teaser on Dallas/Detroit over 32.5 to Dallas + 3.5 points for 1-unit. Not a lot of plays but the reocrd is 14 - 0 ATS. The key is getting the hook with Dallas and getting the over at less than 33 points. On paper it does look like a "lick."
There is another set-up that has hit at 90% and that's a 2 teamer with the Titans at+ 7.5 to over 31 points, good luck to you today.

My clients don't get those plays, I'd much rather use this stuff as marketing material to entice people to visit my website and sign with my crooked service.

Well I'm getting a little long winded here. Please don't let it get out to Sonny Palermo that I'm not updating my record. He likes everyone to "think" he's running a up and up website and that I'm an honest capper. Sonny and I have worked hard into duping the public with this good capper reputation I have. I don't know what would happen if I got grouped together with Cash Pomer, Jack Price, Mike Warren etc.

Oh, please remind me to update the following records, I just have been so forgetful lately, email me if you must (gdsports@shaw.ca) or reach me on the everyedge forum.

20 – 8 – 0 ATS.
09/21/03 Browns/49rs over 45, score 13-12 lost, -3.3-units
09/21/03 Titans under 43, score 27-12 won, +3-units
09/21/03 Chiefs under 43, score 42-17 lost, -3.3-units
09/21/03 Falcons/Bucs under 35, score 10-31 lost, +2-units
09/21/03 Giants +2.5, score 24-21 won, +2-units
09/21/03 Ravens -1, score 24-10 won, +1½-units
09/21/03 Rams +3, score 23-24 won, +1½-units
09/21/03 Dolphins under 40, score 17-7 won, +1½-units
09/21/03 Cards/Packers under 42, score 20-13 won, +3-units
09/14/03 Dolphins -3, score 21-10 won, +1½-units
09/14/03 Patriots +4½, score 31-10 won, +2-units
09/14/03 Patriots over 39, score 31-10 won, +2-units
09/14/03 Falcons over 39, score 31-33 won, +2-units
09/14/03 Bills under 43, score 38-17 lost, -2.65-units
09/14/03 Dolphins over 37, score 21-10 lost, -3.3-units
09/14/03 Raiders under 45, score 20-23 won, +3-units
09/14/03 Vikings – 7, score 27–10 won, +3-units
09/14/03 Vikings/Bears over 45, score 13-24 lost, -4.65-units
09/07/03 Pats -the points, score 0-31 lost, -4.4-units
09/07/03 Pats/Bills under 47, score 0-31 won, +3½-units
09/07/03 Panthers under 43, score 23-24 lost, -3.3-units
09/07/03 Broncos/Bengals under 43, score 30-10 won, +3-units
09/07/03 Dolphins -8 @ half, score 14-3 won, +3-units
09/07/03 Titans -3, score 25-20 won, +2½-units
09/07/03 Seahawks -3, score 27-10 won, +2-units
09/07/03 49ers over 40, score 49-7 won, +2-units
09/04/03 Jets/Redskins under 41, score 16 – 13 won, + 1-unit.
09/04/03 2 team teaser Jets under to UAB, won, + 1-unit.

NCAA Football Record


10 – 18 - 0 ATS.
9/13/03 Oregon St. -21, score 28-16 lost, -3.65-units
9/13/03 Oregon -12, score 48-10 won, +2-units
9/13/03 Boise St. -23, score 24-10 lost, -2.2-units
9/13/03 Illinois +10, score 3-6 won, +2-units
9/13/03 Oklahoma under 45, score 52-28 lost, -2.2-units
9/13/03 Ohio U +19, score 0-38 lost, -1.65-units
9/13/03 Notre Dame +8½, score 0-38 lost, -1.65-units
9/13/03 New Mexico as a dog, score 16-28 lost, -1.65-units
9/06/03 Perdue -11, score 26-27 lost, -4.4-units
9/06/03 Virginia -3, score 7-31 lost, -2.65-units
9/06/03 N.Dame/Wash.St. under 42, score 29-26 lost, -2.2-units
9/06/03 Georgia -30, score 29-10 lost, +13-units
9/06/03 San Jose St. +13, score 10-31 lost, -1.1-units
9/06/03 Arizona +2, score 13-59 lost, -1.1-units
9/01/03 Cincinnati -8, score 40-3 won, +1-units
9/01/03 Tulane +6½, score 35-38 won, +1-units
9/01/03 6½ teaser on Cincinnati/Tulane, won, +¾-units
8/31/03 Kentucky -6, score 24-40 lost, -1.65-units
8/30/03 UCONN -6, score 34-10 won, +2½-units
8/30/03 Missouri -3, score 22-15 won, 2½-units
8/30/03 Iowa/Miami(Oh) over 55, score 21-3 lost, -1.1-units
8/30/03 Rice +4, score 14-48 lost, -2¾-units
8/30/03 Auburn -3, score 0-23 lost, -3¾-units
8/30/03 Miss. St +4½, score 34-42 lost, -2¾-units
8/30/03 Duke +16, score 0-27 lost, -2.2-units.
8/28/03 BYU -3, score 24-13 won, +2½-units.
8/28/03 Akron/KEnt over 61, score 38-41 won, +1-units.
8/28/03 Miami -16 First Half, score 21-3 won, +½-unit.

Added on Date: 06:42:47 10/20/03

 

[SonnyPalermo]

The writer of the above is obviously not Greg, who is one of the few honest, hard working and talented 'cappers in the business.


To the real (although gutlessly hiding under a phony name) author,


Jealousy is an ugly emotion my little friend.

Why don't you try a little truth, since there is none in your post above?
Why not admit what anyone with half a brain can see anyway - that you are just a bitter ex-poster.


After all this time, it still bothers you that you were kicked off the site, doesn't it?

Of course it does, or we wouldn't be here.

Tell me, when you saw a reply here did your little heart start pounding at the thought of someone actually paying you some attention? (unlike most of your posts here and at the other site you posted this, without the balls to do so under your regular name).

I enjoy a good laugh at the expense morons like you, who got booted and months and even years later still can't get over it.

Just the fact that you mention me after all this time let's me know you think about me, and that you seethe with misguided anger at someone to whom you mean nothing.

It just proves you how small you are, how you must not be very happy in your life.

It must suck being insignificant.

You are a flea,
sucking on a pimple,
on a wart,
on a baboons ass..............

[This message was edited by Sonny Palermo on October 20, 2003 at 09:28 PM.]

 

[lander]

This guy calls out some loser scumbag ripping people off touting and you call him a "flea sucking on a pimple"??

wyc,
Thanks for exposing these clowns

[This message was edited by lander on October 21, 2003 at 01:36 AM.]

 

[SonnyPalermo]

General,
saw your post on this,
thanks for taking my back and for your support.
As always, it is appreciated my friend.

lander,
Very few know more about exposing scam services than me, I write a weekly "bettors advocate" column that has been doing it for 3 years now. I have taken on some of the biggest names in the scam industry (which is why many services and their shills attack when they see me in a forum) and have been threatened physically and legally for doing so. And I keep right on doing it. Because I have also saved a lot of unsuspecting bettors money. And I have a file full of e-mails as evidence of this fact.

You shouldn't believe everything you read, a little research and you would find there was no exposure of a scam here;there is nothing but lies from a jealous guy.
The premise above is built on Greg hiding his record, but ask at any place Greg is known and you will find out that contrary to what is posted above, Greg posts his entire record.
EVERY week.
And he is monitored by Sports Monitor.
It also says Greg and I are in business together - I have never even met him.
He writes for a magazine I write for.
They own the site that the poster above refers to, so of course he can post there (unlike the poster above.)
I have spoken to Greg on many occasions, he's a good guy. Hard working, honest, and talented. THAT is why he is as popular as he is, and THAT is why the poster above is bitching here - because Greg gets a lot of views and "thank you's" while crap-boy got none. Same reason he attacks another poster from the site (I did a quick search of his posts here and found that out; so, if he is just exposing a scam as you think, why did he attack ANOTHER poster from that site, one that DOESN'T EVEN HAVE a service, ANOTHER poster who just HAPPENS to get a TON of views? Because it's not an 'exposure' it's a jealous little git whining about not getting attention; which is why he was never accepted at the other forum).

Ask crap-boy to support just ONE point from his post above with a fact and you will find you get no reply. Because he can't.
Gregs record is posted.
Greg and I are not in business, never have been.
Greg does not get a % of losses from anyone.
The kid is just making it all up.

Me on the other hand? You don't have to take my word for it - you can look into it and find out for yourself.
And if you do, you'll find out what the deal is.

[This message was edited by Sonny Palermo on October 21, 2003 at 05:31 AM.]

 

[PatrickMcIrish]

Thank you for the response Sonny.

 

[HENHOUSEx2]

HEY SONNY !!

How goes it !!

Long time no talk too......

All well with the Sonny !!

Great to hear from you and keep up the EVERYONE IS JEALOUS OF ME BS....man you crack us up with that...

You have been playing that old game of everyone is jealous of the sonny for like what...7 ...8 years !!!

Outstanding .....

Good to see you sticking with it...hey and buddy....BOOT some people who differ on your opinions for me buddy !!!!

Gosh it was good to hear from you !!

Take Care....

HAHAHHAAAAHAAHHAHA
HH

 

[SonnyPalermo]

Where does it say anyone is jealous of me?
Nowhere.
Can you do one cut and paste to support your line "still playing the 'people are jealous of me BS."?

No. Of course you can't. It never happened.

Nowhere above does it say they are jealous of me, it is the two posters mentioned that they are jealous of.

Of course you will come in and and ignore both my questions/challenges, and post some other irrelevant nonsense.

And hen - you weren't kicked out for disagreeing with anyone.
You were kicked out because your answer to a wagering question posted by a female poster was to give a detailed description of your bowel movement that morning, including color, texture and odor. (have you figured out yet that that is NOT how you get a girls attention, or are you still a lonely wanker?)

Your post was deemed by the forum to be typical of you and your useless 'contributions' and cries for attention - juvenile and immature.
And so you were kicked in your cheese-hole and moved along, only to land here, where you were immediately seen to be what you are -
a friend-less loser, who couldn't pick his nose with a magnifying mirror and a back hoe, what's less pick a winning sports wager.
You provide constant fodder for the regulars here to goof on, with your pretend to know-it-all but obviously-know-nothing posts, ie the 'henmouse classic' threads, on your golf, baseball, etc.

Of course you don't realize this, though it stares in you in the face. Ignornance and bliss - Gods prophylactic to the simpletons, so thay they are protected from the realization of how much less they are......

Actually, I think they ran the original hen off - and you're just a punk hiding behind his name, craving attention, because you know he is so unpopular here he is actually popular.
Yeah, that sounds like another alias and modus operandi for the same loser mentioned above.

[This message was edited by Sonny Palermo on October 21, 2003 at 11:13 AM.]

 

[SonnyPalermo]

Patrick,
you're welcome.
And though I'd prefer all posts were of a nature of helping other bettors with winning info, or exposing real scams, we both know all too well that cyber-land is a haven for life-less losers. And we both get stuck with them.
Like they say, it's a dirty job, but someone has to do it.

 

[HENHOUSEx2]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

You were always funny to listen to SonnyBoy....I miss your posts on Boxing that were never close to being right...but hysterical in nature...

Keep up the laughs and love the fact you are over here now...what your 4 membered click forum not enough entertainment for you.... so you have to come over here....

Wouldn't doubt it....

Gosh, I miss those days of a good solid SONNY POST....which always had about 35 YOU THE BEST SONNY REPLIES from the audience...those were hysterical.....down right hysterical...

AHHH SONNY SAYS THE BUCS WILL WIN...

Your the best Sonny
I agree Sonny
Love you Sonny....

The volume of people you so called booted for not posting a love letter to you or more factually posting you were full of sh*t....always laughed at those ones...and really thought the whole forum was one big SONNY POST AND REPLY CIRCUS....

I bet you go back right now...the forum of 4 has at least 2 posts of this nature....

Gotta run...keep us laughing !!

HAHAHAHHAHHA
HH

 

[SonnyPalermo]

mouse,

I'm here to reply to an e-mail that was sent to me.
But I've been here since the very beginning with occasional contributions.
ee is, as you know, doing fine, as always.

But you didn't answer either of my questions above; gee, who'd have figured?

As I said,you wouldn't offer a single cut and paste to support your statements.
Because ya can't.

I'll give ya another chance.
You comments on my boxing knowledge and my boxing picks, do a cut and past to support your claim.

Ya can't. My selections over the last 12 months, posted on the site, is only about 15-4 in my last 20 picks (matter of fact I just got offered a spot on national radio show, partly because of it).
Like everything else you write it is BS.

[This message was edited by Sonny Palermo on October 21, 2003 at 12:31 PM.]

 

[EarlySpeed]

And hen - you weren't kicked out for disagreeing with anyone.
You were kicked out because your answer to a wagering question posted by a female poster was to give a detailed description of your bowel movement that morning, including color, texture and odor.Hen is the scat master (have you figured out yet that that is NOT how you get a girls attention, or are you still a lonely wanker?) i dont think sex was ever an issue with hen. Pretty sure he is all smooth "down there"

Your post was deemed by the forum to be typical of you and your useless 'contributions' and cries for attention - juvenile and immature.
And so you were kicked in your cheese-hole and moved along, only to land here, where you were immediately seen to be what you are -
a friend-less loser, who couldn't pick his nose with a magnifying mirror and a back hoe, what's less pick a winning sports wager.hard to make friends when you are a 500 lb whale anchored in front of a computer scraping cheese off the a la mode
You provide constant fodder for the regulars here to goof on,he is good for something with your pretend to know-it-all but obviously-know-nothing posts, ie the 'henmouse classic' threads, on your golf, baseball, etc.

Of course you don't realize this, though it stares in you in the face. Ignornance and bliss - Gods prophylactic to the simpletons, so thay they are protected from the realization of how much less they are......

Actually, I think they ran the original hen off - and you're just a punk hiding behind his name, craving attention, because you know he is so unpopular here he is actually popular.
Yeah, that sounds like another alias and modus operandi for the same loser mentioned above.hes the real deal--also calls himself NEWPORT

[This message was edited by EarlySpeed on October 21, 2003 at 11:55 AM.]

 

[SonnyPalermo]

Speed,
thanks for posting, and for the laughs.
It's hard for normal people to imagine a life so devoid of any love that it continually comes to a place where it is routinely mocked and riduculed, just to get a little human interaction.
Sad.
Amusing, but sad......

 

[lander]

Sonny
lander,
Very few know more about exposing scam services than me, I write a weekly "bettors advocate" column that has been doing it for 3 years now. I have taken on some of the biggest names in the scam industry (which is why many services and their shills attack when they see me in a forum) and have been threatened physically and legally for doing so. And I keep right on doing it. Because I have also saved a lot of unsuspecting bettors money. And I have a file full of e-mails as evidence of this fact.

Are thes columns available online? If so, where could I find them?
Thanks.

 

[EarlySpeed]

Sonny

I told him once to go into the combat zone in Boston wearing his university beanie and give the first black guy he saw the hens world view.

I think the attention he would have got would have lasted a loooong time.

 

[SonnyPalermo]

Lander,
thanks for the civil reply.
I do not want to be seen as soliciting, I was only answering your question.
However, if you e-mail the general and ask for his assistance he can give you an #800 number, call and tell them I sent you, and you can get a comp copy of next weeks issue (if he does not mind).
Thanks for taking a minute to look at the crap-boy post from a different (truer) angle,
Sonny

[This message was edited by Sonny Palermo on October 21, 2003 at 12:22 PM.]

 

[HENHOUSEx2]

HEYYYYYY thanks for watching my back, cyberpal Speed

Good olde SONNYBOY, always in critical need of acceptance and praise...


Why don't you solicite your crap site someone else...or did you broom everyone because your wittle feelings were hurt...

Pooooor wittle SONNY BOY

Wise up....your forum is a bust and now you are looking for some more PRAISERS.....my gosh...are you so obvious...

Keep up the laughs...you are a riot...

Ok ok.....you broke me..
SONNNY YOUR THE BEST
SONNY WE ALL LOVE YOU
SONNY YOU ARE RIGHT

HAHHAHAAHAHAAHHAHHAAHAHAHAAHHA

Take Sped/Urine with you...he is just plain boring....

YUKKKKY UIKK.....or what ever it is..

HHAHAHAAHAHAHHA

Take Care girls

HH

 

[DeNiro+]

OMG! Thank you whoever you are for exposing a fraud in Greg Dempson. I thought he was the last of the good guys. However this evidence is overwhelming. He's just another scamdicapper who Palermo is covering for. This site blows when the owner is in bed with a scamdicapper like Dempson.

 

[Rattler+]

Good Luck with your prostate DeNiro.

 

[UT-Longhorn]

Here is what I dont understand about Greg Dempson. How come last year in February on the 1st, that saturday he gave out these plays:
All times are Eastern and the game # is also listed for easier reference.

# 539, Evansville at pick for 1-unit, 1:05 start.

# 549, E. Michigan + 8 for 1-unit, 2:00 start. (Austin is ? for E. Michigan.)

# 555 Wisconsin-Milwaukee at pick or – 1 (but no more than – 1) for 1-unit, 2:00 start.

# 565, Michigan + 5½ for 1-unit, 2:30 start.

# 567, S. Illinois at pick or – 1 for 1-unit, 2:30 start.

# 569, E. Carolina + 5½ for 1½-units, 3:00 start.

# 575, Ball State + 3½ for 1-unit, 3:00 start.

# 579, Kent + 6 for 1½-units, 4:00 start.

# 583, Virginia + 5 for 1-unit, 4:00 start.

# 595, W. Kentucky + 2½ or + 3 for 1-unit, 4:05 start.

# 601, Stanford + 7 for 1-unit, 5:00 start.

# 605, Bradley at pick or an underdog only for ½-unit, 5:05 start.

# 607, UL Lafayette only if a dog for ½-unit, 6:00 start.

# 611, VA. Commonwealth +5½ for 1-unit, 7:00 start.

# 623, Pittsburgh + 1 for ½-unit, 7:00 start.

# 651, New Orleans + 4½ for 1-unit, 8:05 start.

# 657, Purdue at pick or – 1 and no higher for 1-unit, 8:05 start.

# 659, DePaul for + 3 for ½-unit, 8:10 start.

# 665, San Diego at pick or – 1 and no more for ½ -unit, 10:00 start.

# 674, Cal Irvine home dog + 2 ½ for 1-unit, 10:05 start.

# 677, Fresno State + 5 ½ for 1-unit, 10:05 start.

# 685, Oregon State + 5 for ½-unit, 10:30 start.

# 703, Wofford + 2 for ½-unit, 7:00 start.

These are the actual picks he gave out as my brother paid for his picks last year. He lost a little over 10 units this day, and he NEVER updated his record to reflect this. My brother emailed him twice, and two times he made excuses. All Im asking is for the guy to be honest, and apparently he cannot do that. Now, he has been in ANOTHER slump recently in football, and what is his excuse this time for not updating his record on his site? he says his webmaster is out of town, and has been for over a month--BS if you ask me. This guy ONLY posts records the public likes to see, and that will get him more people to buy into his scam and buy more losers. Why didnt his clients get that TEASER that won last weekend? This guy is a sham and anyone who believes otherwise is falling hook, line and sinker........

 

[SonnyPalermo]

Lander, I got an e-mail from the General last night, e-mail him for the info mentioned above;
e-mail either of us if you have any questions, thanks.

Gee, a poster comes in to defend a post made here, and he has only a 1 post history?
How many aliases you got boy?

Are you so ignorant that you can't see how lame it is to sign up and reply to your self in support of your own argument because no one else has?
And using Deniro as a name?
What kind of loser takes pleasure in anothers humans suffering?
For one - wesman, also known as whoyacrappin, lupus, and about 4-5 other aliases we know of.

Another kind? A mouse like hen. Why? Because he is such a failure that his only pleasure comes in knowing someone else is doing badly. Misery loves company.

mouseboy - glad to know you're still bitter about getting kicked out; I love when you boys still cry YEARS after haveing been booted, let's me know you still think about it (funny thing about you booted douchebags - you ask to be let back in, denied, you come back under aliases only to be booted again, then you go to other places ands say " that site sucks"; too funny).

From mouse - "Why don't you solicite your crap site someone else".
I'll assume you meant "somewhere" else (your mom told you to stay in school).
One problem with your theory there Einstein - I never mentioned ANY site in my original posts. You did. Then I replied to point out you're full of shit (what a waste of time that is, like everyone here doesn't know it already).
Kind of hard to solicit for a place if you don't mention it exists.
(You may now offer a rebuttal that is totally irrelvant and ignores the point).

You made 3 statements above, I asked you to support any of them with a cut and paste to back them up, I pointed out you would ignore the challenge and post more drivel. And you did.

You said:
"You were always funny to listen to SonnyBoy....I miss your posts on Boxing that were never close to being right...but hysterical in nature."

I say I'm about 15-5 or so, last 20. All picks are at the site, time stamped and dated, why not post a couple of the ones I am never close on to back up your statement? Because ya can't.

But that doesn't matter to you, being proven a liar is nothing to someone who is proven a loser everytime he spends as much as 1 minute in a place he is a laughed at as an ass clown.

You're the rubber rooms village idiot, sitting on the fence, waving to posters as they walk by and laughing when they do - too simple to know they are laughing at you not with you.

You are the butt of the joke here but keep coming in everyday to be abused, proving that you haven't got much of a life going on there in the real world. So ignore the other questions I asked, the ones you couldn't answer, and answer just this one -

what keeps you from jumping?
from pulling the trigger?
from swallowing the pills?

No need to continue this mouse, you will just continue to make stuff up, and refuse to be pinned on it when asked a direct question, like the snivelng weasel you are.
You're beneath me (actually, you're beneath EVERY POSTER here, how can you NOT notice when you read what they say about you? You do notice. But you keep coming back, because to a shut-in ANY human attention is better than none).
Besides, you advised me you were "coming to see me", and I told you exactly where to find me, so the internet is unnecessary to continue this. Looking forward to it.

UT-long, your questions may have had a little weight, and been answered if they could be seen as honest and legit. But being that you supported them with lies (me and Greg are in business? I have never even met him, I last spoke on the phone to him over a year ago; Greg hides his record? It is published, in full, every week in the magazine, because he is one the honest, talented guys in the business; "Sonny and he do a radio show to promote a business?" I did two 1 minute spots for the magazine, not exactly a huge marketing effort there; etc, etc, lie after lie);
You are transparent and have a personal agenda. we know what it is, and so do others, as you can see by the replys you have gotten at all the sites you posted this - zero.
Anyone can take a small sampling of any cappers picks and use it for their own purpose.
Keep trying though, if it makes you happy.
Like I said - other than my rebuttal you have gotten ZERO responses at the sites you posted it so it's really insignificant.
But we do thank you for buying the magazine, listening to the radio show, and patronizing the website. It is appreciated. In fact, when I'm dining on my steak tonight at the outdoor cafe at Paris I will toast you with my glass of wine (it is only fair since your magazine subscription dollars helped me to pay for it), in thanks for your past and continued support.

[This message was edited by Sonny Palermo on October 22, 2003 at 01:35 PM.]