So which SBT book do you work for Oscar with your 50 posts in 5 years? LOL
We have been over this a few times recently. All SBT books are not operated the same. Sportsbook.com had the worse cs/audits before the merger and they still do.
It's similar to a lot of ratings. Example; Dow is a good A rated company by S-n-P but their subsidiary, Union Carbide is rated B+. The SBR ratings vary even more with same-family books because cs is weighted in.
We have been over this a few times recently. All SBT books are not operated the same. Sportsbook.com had the worse cs/audits before the merger and they still do.
It's similar to a lot of ratings. Example; Dow is a good A rated company by S-n-P but their subsidiary, Union Carbide is rated B+. The SBR ratings vary even more with same-family books because cs is weighted in.
"It's similar to a lot of ratings. Example; Dow is a good A rated company by S-n-P but their subsidiary, Union Carbide is rated B+. The SBR ratings vary even more with same-family books because cs is weighted in."
So now you are comparing your affliate program of touting sportsbooks to Standard and Poors and Dow Jones ratings. LMFAO.....I can't believe any of these sportsbooks pay to be listed here as long as the inmates are running the asylum.
I'm wondering which day next week whe one of the MODS start a new thread entitled: MY BEST BOOKS FOR FOOTBALL........this place is just barely better than Bettorsworld.
So now you are comparing your affliate program of touting sportsbooks to Standard and Poors and Dow Jones ratings. LMFAO.....I can't believe any of these sportsbooks pay to be listed here as long as the inmates are running the asylum.
I'm wondering which day next week whe one of the MODS start a new thread entitled: MY BEST BOOKS FOR FOOTBALL........this place is just barely better than Bettorsworld.
SBT has made some purchases over the years and the end result was anything but a uniformed family of books.
Below is a list of books officially under the Sportingbet Plc name. When what used to be plain sportingbet bought/merged with sportsbook.com and the other side show shops, they were left to function independently. If you call SportingbetUSA they will be the first to tell you they do not lose batches of bank wires like sportsbook.com does. They use different procedures and provide better customer service.
Of the sites below there are some very different layouts and different CS centers.
I may need a fact check but if my memory is correct..
In 2002 World Gaming took on the investor, Goodison Park Ltd. In 2003 it was announced Goodison Park Ltd. is a subsidiary of Sportingbet Plc. With Sportingbet’s investment World Gaming’s CEO stepped down and Daniel Moran took over. He was managing director of Sportinbet before taking the CEO title at World Gaming plc.
This is why you can often find books that share the same phone numbers and software but are not of the same quality of even the lesser sites listed below. WinnersHill.com, for example, still sports a PayPal icon on its homepage.
The further you get away from the flagship book, SportingbetUSA, the further quality erodes.
http://www.sportingbet.com.au
http://www.sportingbetUSA.com
http://www.supervegascasino.com
http://www.sportingodds.com
http://www.sportsbook.com
http://www.playersonly.com
http://www.wallstreet.com
http://www.aces.com
http://www.sportfanatik.com
http://www.parier.net
http://www.wallstreetbets.com
http://www.allstar.com
http://www.skylinecasino.com
http://www.sports.com
http://www.belmontcasino.com
http://www.linesmaker.com
http://www.wagertonight.com
http://www.allpro.com
http://www.takaracasino.com
http://www.ezbets.com
http://www.casinokingtut.com
http://www.bestecasino.com
http://www.casinoventure.com
http://www.gamingcosmos.com
http://www.bettingexpress.com
http://www.worldwidegamble.com
http://www.supersportsbook.com
http://www.sportsbooks.com
http://www.sportingparlor.com
http://www.casinoandsportsbook.com
http://www.placemybet.com
http://www.bubbascasino.com
http://www.globalsportsnetwork.com
http://www.athomesportsbook.com
http://www.alpscasino.com
http://www.sb28.com
http://www.superbook.com
http://www.probets.com
http://www.52bet.com
http://www.thebestbet.com
http://www.aceskasino.com
http://www.ezsportsbook.com
http://www.nycsportsbook.com
http://www.eurosportwetten.com
http://www.casinowelt.com
http://www.sportingbet.com
http://dk.sportingbet.com
http://se.sportingbet.com
http://gr.sportingbet.com
http://jp.sportingbet.com
http://zh.sportingbet.com
http://th.sportingbet.com
http://bg.sportingbet.com
http://ru.sportingbet.com
http://www.superbahis.com
http://www.miapuesta.com
Below is a list of books officially under the Sportingbet Plc name. When what used to be plain sportingbet bought/merged with sportsbook.com and the other side show shops, they were left to function independently. If you call SportingbetUSA they will be the first to tell you they do not lose batches of bank wires like sportsbook.com does. They use different procedures and provide better customer service.
Of the sites below there are some very different layouts and different CS centers.
I may need a fact check but if my memory is correct..
In 2002 World Gaming took on the investor, Goodison Park Ltd. In 2003 it was announced Goodison Park Ltd. is a subsidiary of Sportingbet Plc. With Sportingbet’s investment World Gaming’s CEO stepped down and Daniel Moran took over. He was managing director of Sportinbet before taking the CEO title at World Gaming plc.
This is why you can often find books that share the same phone numbers and software but are not of the same quality of even the lesser sites listed below. WinnersHill.com, for example, still sports a PayPal icon on its homepage.
The further you get away from the flagship book, SportingbetUSA, the further quality erodes.
http://www.sportingbet.com.au
http://www.sportingbetUSA.com
http://www.supervegascasino.com
http://www.sportingodds.com
http://www.sportsbook.com
http://www.playersonly.com
http://www.wallstreet.com
http://www.aces.com
http://www.sportfanatik.com
http://www.parier.net
http://www.wallstreetbets.com
http://www.allstar.com
http://www.skylinecasino.com
http://www.sports.com
http://www.belmontcasino.com
http://www.linesmaker.com
http://www.wagertonight.com
http://www.allpro.com
http://www.takaracasino.com
http://www.ezbets.com
http://www.casinokingtut.com
http://www.bestecasino.com
http://www.casinoventure.com
http://www.gamingcosmos.com
http://www.bettingexpress.com
http://www.worldwidegamble.com
http://www.supersportsbook.com
http://www.sportsbooks.com
http://www.sportingparlor.com
http://www.casinoandsportsbook.com
http://www.placemybet.com
http://www.bubbascasino.com
http://www.globalsportsnetwork.com
http://www.athomesportsbook.com
http://www.alpscasino.com
http://www.sb28.com
http://www.superbook.com
http://www.probets.com
http://www.52bet.com
http://www.thebestbet.com
http://www.aceskasino.com
http://www.ezsportsbook.com
http://www.nycsportsbook.com
http://www.eurosportwetten.com
http://www.casinowelt.com
http://www.sportingbet.com
http://dk.sportingbet.com
http://se.sportingbet.com
http://gr.sportingbet.com
http://jp.sportingbet.com
http://zh.sportingbet.com
http://th.sportingbet.com
http://bg.sportingbet.com
http://ru.sportingbet.com
http://www.superbahis.com
http://www.miapuesta.com
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BillDozer:
If you call SportingbetUSA they will be the first to tell you they do not lose batches of bank wires like sportsbook.com does. They use different procedures and provide better customer service.
The further you get away from the flagship book, SportingbetUSA, the further quality erodes.
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Simply put, you and John are wrong about this.
All of the books listed above that use EFS have the same CS and the same payout delays / problems.
And SportingBetUSA would not be considered the "flagship" site by most observers. That honour would go to SportsBook.com.
And a note to both Bill and the original poster ... SportsBetting.com does not fall under the Sportingbet umbrella, and funds on deposit there are not guaranteed by Sportingbet (like they are at the other sites), so they are a separate beast altogether.
If you call SportingbetUSA they will be the first to tell you they do not lose batches of bank wires like sportsbook.com does. They use different procedures and provide better customer service.
The further you get away from the flagship book, SportingbetUSA, the further quality erodes.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Simply put, you and John are wrong about this.
All of the books listed above that use EFS have the same CS and the same payout delays / problems.
And SportingBetUSA would not be considered the "flagship" site by most observers. That honour would go to SportsBook.com.
And a note to both Bill and the original poster ... SportsBetting.com does not fall under the Sportingbet umbrella, and funds on deposit there are not guaranteed by Sportingbet (like they are at the other sites), so they are a separate beast altogether.
Halifax,
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> And a note to both Bill and the original poster ... SportsBetting.com does not fall under the Sportingbet umbrella, and funds on deposit there are not guaranteed by Sportingbet (like they are at the other sites), so they are a separate beast altogether.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
EFS International is listed as a subsiderary of World Gaming. Sportsbetting.com DOES use World Gaming and EFS with a different skin you are probably not used to seeing. Bunyon asked about books that use EFS. The list above consists of books Sportingbet "backs" officially under SBT. There are many books that use the World Gaming product. I'm not sure what you were noting.
My guess is you looked for matching phone numbers or got one of the ready-made answers from the Ireland clerks, but John is not making this up. There are many different banks used by EFS. There are many books using the initial front end of world gaming support.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> And SportingBetUSA would not be considered the "flagship" site by most observers. That honour would go to SportsBook.com. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I was referring to the SBT brand directed to the American player, but yes SB is the big money book.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Simply put, you and John are wrong about this. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I know it’s confusing but I'll play SBTUSA and you take Sportfanatic and we'll find out?
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> And a note to both Bill and the original poster ... SportsBetting.com does not fall under the Sportingbet umbrella, and funds on deposit there are not guaranteed by Sportingbet (like they are at the other sites), so they are a separate beast altogether.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
EFS International is listed as a subsiderary of World Gaming. Sportsbetting.com DOES use World Gaming and EFS with a different skin you are probably not used to seeing. Bunyon asked about books that use EFS. The list above consists of books Sportingbet "backs" officially under SBT. There are many books that use the World Gaming product. I'm not sure what you were noting.
My guess is you looked for matching phone numbers or got one of the ready-made answers from the Ireland clerks, but John is not making this up. There are many different banks used by EFS. There are many books using the initial front end of world gaming support.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> And SportingBetUSA would not be considered the "flagship" site by most observers. That honour would go to SportsBook.com. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I was referring to the SBT brand directed to the American player, but yes SB is the big money book.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Simply put, you and John are wrong about this. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I know it’s confusing but I'll play SBTUSA and you take Sportfanatic and we'll find out?
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BillDozer:
Halifax,
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> And a note to both Bill and the original poster ... SportsBetting.com does not fall under the Sportingbet umbrella, and funds on deposit there are not guaranteed by Sportingbet (like they are at the other sites), so they are a separate beast altogether.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
EFS International is listed as a subsiderary of World Gaming. Sportsbetting.com DOES use World Gaming and EFS with a different skin you are probably not used to seeing. Bunyon asked about books that use EFS. The list above consists of books Sportingbet "backs" officially under SBT. There are many books that use the World Gaming product. I'm not sure what you were noting.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Dozer, trust me, I know much more about these books than you give me credit for, and I stand by what I said above 100%.
Bunyon asked about SportingbetUSA, SportsBook, and SportsBetting, wondering what the differences were. I answered him in my post above by stating that SportsBetting technically wasn't backed by Sportingbet (regarding security of post-up funds). That's what I was noting.
Halifax,
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> And a note to both Bill and the original poster ... SportsBetting.com does not fall under the Sportingbet umbrella, and funds on deposit there are not guaranteed by Sportingbet (like they are at the other sites), so they are a separate beast altogether.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
EFS International is listed as a subsiderary of World Gaming. Sportsbetting.com DOES use World Gaming and EFS with a different skin you are probably not used to seeing. Bunyon asked about books that use EFS. The list above consists of books Sportingbet "backs" officially under SBT. There are many books that use the World Gaming product. I'm not sure what you were noting.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Dozer, trust me, I know much more about these books than you give me credit for, and I stand by what I said above 100%.
Bunyon asked about SportingbetUSA, SportsBook, and SportsBetting, wondering what the differences were. I answered him in my post above by stating that SportsBetting technically wasn't backed by Sportingbet (regarding security of post-up funds). That's what I was noting.
One of those books (WorldSportsBook I think) pulled a stunt on me a couple of years back that was total BULLSHTT!
I had about $21k on my account and one day I request a withdrawal and shortly thereafter notice I can't log in. No email about it, no message that pops up, nothing. Then I call customer service who tell me I have to call back between 9am and 1pm Eastern. OK, do that and after being on hold for about 20 mins. I get an accounting supervisor who tells me they are auditing my account. I ask why and they say it's a routine thing for people who make withdrawals after a certain amount of activity etc.
OK fine I figure I can wait a couple of days, no big deal, but then the thing goes on for weeks and weeks and the same conversation takes place about 2x per week "we are very busy, it's a high priority, we will get it done within a couple of days etc." Excuse after excuse and still no money, no account, nothing.
Then after 3 months of blackout I finally get my check for $9k and my account with the remaining $12k is reactivated.
Three months with $21k sitting in a black box for no good reason -- a very scary experience.
I recommend everyone to stay away from these shlt books!!!
I had about $21k on my account and one day I request a withdrawal and shortly thereafter notice I can't log in. No email about it, no message that pops up, nothing. Then I call customer service who tell me I have to call back between 9am and 1pm Eastern. OK, do that and after being on hold for about 20 mins. I get an accounting supervisor who tells me they are auditing my account. I ask why and they say it's a routine thing for people who make withdrawals after a certain amount of activity etc.
OK fine I figure I can wait a couple of days, no big deal, but then the thing goes on for weeks and weeks and the same conversation takes place about 2x per week "we are very busy, it's a high priority, we will get it done within a couple of days etc." Excuse after excuse and still no money, no account, nothing.
Then after 3 months of blackout I finally get my check for $9k and my account with the remaining $12k is reactivated.
Three months with $21k sitting in a black box for no good reason -- a very scary experience.
I recommend everyone to stay away from these shlt books!!!
Hali,
I give ya credit, but when someone is told they are wrong they are going to expect to be enlightened. SBR is not going to be able to use input like just "trust me" when we look at ratings.
I should have left it as Buzzsaw summed up. It was probably just what he wanted to know.
The 3 books he asked about all have WG software in common. Sportsbetting is REAL Entertainment and might be WG's 2nd biggest (distant 2nd) licensee since Sininter left for IQL. SBT merged with SB.com and company under the SBT name. Those sites have not performed at SportingbetUSA’s level. This is the assessment of many players, SBR and SBT management.
I give ya credit, but when someone is told they are wrong they are going to expect to be enlightened. SBR is not going to be able to use input like just "trust me" when we look at ratings.
I should have left it as Buzzsaw summed up. It was probably just what he wanted to know.
The 3 books he asked about all have WG software in common. Sportsbetting is REAL Entertainment and might be WG's 2nd biggest (distant 2nd) licensee since Sininter left for IQL. SBT merged with SB.com and company under the SBT name. Those sites have not performed at SportingbetUSA’s level. This is the assessment of many players, SBR and SBT management.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BillDozer:
Hali,
I give ya credit, but when someone is told they are wrong they are going to expect to be enlightened. SBR is not going to be able to use input like just "trust me" when we look at ratings.
I should have left it as Buzzsaw summed up. It was probably just what he wanted to know.
The 3 books he asked about all have WG software in common. Sportsbetting is REAL Entertainment and might be WG's 2nd biggest (distant 2nd) licensee since Sininter left for IQL. SBT merged with SB.com and company under the SBT name. Those sites have not performed at SportingbetUSA’s level. This is the assessment of many players, SBR and SBT management.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Well let me be very specific about where I disagree with you:
Speaking ONLY about the EFS-serviced sites taken from your list of 50 or 60 (the ones that fall under the Sportingbet "umbrella", and not SportsBetting or the other "non-Sportingbet-umbrella" World Gaming licesees) ..... these days ...
> they all have the same Customer Service people (calls to all of them connect to the same call centre / same voice mail system / same operators; the same individuals handle complaints / inquiries from SportsBook, Bubba's, SportingbetUSA, AllPro, SportFanatik, etc.), the same Customer Service protocols, and the same level of Customer Service.
> a customer has an equal chance of having a "random audit" conducted on their account, no matter which of these books you are playing at. In fact, oftentimes if your account is being audited at one of the books, EFS will place a "blanket" audit on all of your accounts that you have at all other EFS books.
> a customer has an equal chance of having a payout delay, no matter which of these books they are a customer of.
SportsBook has the most complaints, because they have by far the most customers.
As far as SportingbetUSA goes, I have had 2 "random audits" from them, out of about 7 or 8 withdrawal requests. They are no better or worse than the rest of the EFS books under the Sportingbet umbrella.
Hali,
I give ya credit, but when someone is told they are wrong they are going to expect to be enlightened. SBR is not going to be able to use input like just "trust me" when we look at ratings.
I should have left it as Buzzsaw summed up. It was probably just what he wanted to know.
The 3 books he asked about all have WG software in common. Sportsbetting is REAL Entertainment and might be WG's 2nd biggest (distant 2nd) licensee since Sininter left for IQL. SBT merged with SB.com and company under the SBT name. Those sites have not performed at SportingbetUSA’s level. This is the assessment of many players, SBR and SBT management.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Well let me be very specific about where I disagree with you:
Speaking ONLY about the EFS-serviced sites taken from your list of 50 or 60 (the ones that fall under the Sportingbet "umbrella", and not SportsBetting or the other "non-Sportingbet-umbrella" World Gaming licesees) ..... these days ...
> they all have the same Customer Service people (calls to all of them connect to the same call centre / same voice mail system / same operators; the same individuals handle complaints / inquiries from SportsBook, Bubba's, SportingbetUSA, AllPro, SportFanatik, etc.), the same Customer Service protocols, and the same level of Customer Service.
> a customer has an equal chance of having a "random audit" conducted on their account, no matter which of these books you are playing at. In fact, oftentimes if your account is being audited at one of the books, EFS will place a "blanket" audit on all of your accounts that you have at all other EFS books.
> a customer has an equal chance of having a payout delay, no matter which of these books they are a customer of.
SportsBook has the most complaints, because they have by far the most customers.
As far as SportingbetUSA goes, I have had 2 "random audits" from them, out of about 7 or 8 withdrawal requests. They are no better or worse than the rest of the EFS books under the Sportingbet umbrella.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BillDozer:
Interesting to hear about the audits... Your personal experience would support your opinion. I don't think that concludes that what I said was wrong. Good feedback though.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Not just my experience.
Poster "marc" plays with the EFS books a lot. Check out some of his recent posts - he's got EFS nailed to a tee.
Interesting to hear about the audits... Your personal experience would support your opinion. I don't think that concludes that what I said was wrong. Good feedback though.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Not just my experience.
Poster "marc" plays with the EFS books a lot. Check out some of his recent posts - he's got EFS nailed to a tee.
