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A moral muddle on the left

By Cathy Young | July 18, 2005

THE BOMBINGS in London on July 7, which killed 53 people and injured many more, were a powerful reminder that terrorism remains a clear and present threat in our cities. But they were also, to me, a reminder of something else. As annoying as I frequently find the right these days, with its cynical partisanship, its arrogance of power, and its politics of religious zealotry, my discontent with conservatives will never send me into the liberal camp -- because the response to terrorism even on the moderate left remains an egregious moral muddle.

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Perhaps the starkest illustration of this mindset is the fact that, only a couple of days after the bombings, the British Broadcasting Corporation reverted to its policy of avoiding the use of the word ''terrorist." According to BBC guidelines, the T-word ''can be a barrier rather than an aid to understanding," and ''careless use of words which carry emotional or value judgments" ought to be avoided.

Here in the United States, the initial wave of sympathy and outrage was quickly followed by attempts to pin the blame on the West, and on America in particular. In a letter to The New York Times published on July 9, one New Yorker proudly described his comments to a Dutch television news crew which interviewed him on the New York subway immediately after the bombings. When asked if he believed New York would be attacked again, he replied in the affirmative. Why? ''Because the US is hated now more than ever. Even some of our allies sort of hate us." And why is that? ''We invaded Iraq, which has never attacked us or declared war on us."

In other words: If we're attacked again, it will be our fault (just as, presumably, the London bombings are the fault of British Prime Minister Tony Blair for lending his support to the war in Iraq).

The Times letter-writer is hardly alone in his views. Juan Cole, professor of history at the University of Michigan and a leading left-of-center commentator on the Middle East, argues on his website and in an article at <ORG value="SALNC" idsrc="NASDAQ">Salon.com</ORG> that the London bombings are ''blowback" from the US and its allies' misguided policies. Cole pooh-poohs the idea that Islamic fundamentalist terrorism is a product of hatred for the West's democratic values. In his view, it is a response to specific Western policies that are perceived as a war against Muslims, from Israeli oppression of the Palestinians to the military occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan.

Pardon me for pointing out the obvious, but the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, took place before the occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan. Cole tries to make the case, citing the 9/11 Commission report, that Sept. 11 was ''punishment on the United States for supporting Ariel Sharon's iron fist policies toward the Palestinians." Yet the report makes it clear that planning for the attacks had been underway for about two years before Sharon became prime minister of Israel in March 2001, though Osama bin Laden evidently wanted to move up the operation in response to Sharon's actions. And the radical Islamic terror network first struck New York City in 1993.

Other myopic responses abound. A few commentators insist on a moral equivalence between the deaths of Iraqi civilians in US military operations with the deaths of civilians in the London bombings. Yet the US military and its allies have made every effort to minimize civilian casualties; the deliberate killing of Iraqi civilians is overwhelmingly the work of so-called insurgents who drive explosive-packed cars into crowds of children while American soldiers hand out candy.

Meanwhile, on Fox News's ''Hannity & Colmes," the Rev. Jesse Jackson is asked whether the evil of terrorism can be fought by other than military means, and gives this reply: ''Well, you know, we found an end to slavery, which is evil, without killing the slave masters." We did? Maybe Jackson has forgotten about the Civil War, in which the US military targeted civilians to a degree unimaginable in Iraq and Afghanistan today.

It is certainly true that the war in Iraq has been mishandled; it may have been misguided in the first place. It is, regrettably, true that the cavalier attitude toward prisoner abuse has undermined our moral authority in the war on terror. But acknowledging our mistakes and misdeeds should not undercut moral clarity when it comes to terrorism. The jihadists are driven primarily by hatred of Western civilization and its freedom; their primary targets are innocent civilians; and they cannot be defeated except by force
 
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The Right Wing said:
The jihadists are driven primarily by hatred of Western civilization and its freedom; their primary targets are innocent civilians; and they cannot be defeated except by force
That is the problem with the right, in case they haven't noticed and they haven't.

The only tool the right such as the Cheney crowd wants to use in the war on terrorism is the hammer.

1) hit people on the head with it - ie use force
2) wave it around in the air like you're gonna hit people on the head with it - ie threaten the use of force

There is like 300 million Arab muslims. Look at how much havoc four of out 300 million can do on any given day. Force alone will not solve this problem.

Look at the reaction of Tony Blair. He wants to work with the Muslim community in Britian, in order to prevent the spread of the jihadist evil ways. Blair is going to try social engineering along with force the hammer to tackle the problem.

Regardless of what average Joe American thinks of social engineering, the facts clearly indicate that Uncle Sam is a very poor social engineer.

It will be a very long war.
 
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Whoever said it was going to be a short war? If you clowns would get behind the effort, instead of piss and moan at every turn, it might become a shorter one at least. Okay, dumb ass, let's just sit back and wait til we get hit again. Maybe this time it will be a suitcase nuke.
 

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I suggest we surrender, it worked for the South!:103631605
 

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And it worked for us in VietNam!:103631605
 

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"If you clowns would get behind the effort, instead of piss and moan at every turn, it might become a shorter one at least."

And just how is that going to shorten the war? Really?

Are another billion people thinking this war is ok just going to cause terrorism to wilt? Terrorists are terrorists, it isn't going to help if we double the amount of supporters or double the troops in Iraq, we'll just present more targets for the bombers and snipers.....regardless how many people wave the flag and spout patriotic babble, bombings like London will happen again.

Adding more cheerleaders won't change the outcome of this game.

We're still talking about terrorism and guerilla warfare here, regardless how many people support your cause, the fact is you're still stuck in a quagmire much like Vietnam.....only difference is you traded jungle for sand and urban....

The Russians got thier asses kicked in Afghanistan, and the USA is taking another lump in Iraq after forgetting a history lesson in Vietnam.
 
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Redneckman said:
Whoever said it was going to be a short war?
Didn't someone famous already declare "mission acomplished"?

If you clowns would get behind the effort, instead of piss and moan at every turn, it might become a shorter one at least.
Most folks were behind the war effort when it started during the invasion of Afghanistan. So tell us smart guy, why has support dwindled for the war in Iraq, (which is suppose to be part of the war on terrorism, just like Afghanistan was) - perhaps gross stragetic stupidity?

Okay, dumb ass, let's just sit back and wait til we get hit again. Maybe this time it will be a suitcase nuke.
I tell you what is even dumber. To think Bush Cheney & Rumsfeld are doing a good job prosecuting this war on terror and deserves unqualified support.

The hammer is only good in a war of attrition. This ain't no war of attrition.
 
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I really fail to see how this war is like Vietnam. It is an Idiotic comparison.
 

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"I fail to see how this war is like Vietnam. It is an idiotic comparison."

Ask the Russians if they thought Afghanistan was a walk in the park. I'm sure they could share some common stories with the vets of Vietnam...

Ask the guys driving the hummers why they have to keep thier heads down and drive an armored convoy just to go around the block to get a box of doughnuts....hell, they can't even control a street let alone a whole town......

It's guerilla warfare dude, you just traded the jungle for sand and urban....the only difference in Iraq is you have the chance to pull out before 50K are sent back in body bags due to the same failed strategy as was employed in Vietnam.
 
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That is the problem with the right, in case they haven't noticed and they haven't.

The only tool the right such as the Cheney crowd wants to use in the war on terrorism is the hammer.


And the alternative is to do...what, exactly? Hell...can you give me one single example in any war where pacifism defused a serious conflict and brought about some harmonious solution?

In case you haven't noticed, they have plenty of assholes willing to die if it means bringing a good number of the 'infidel' with them. Do you really think these people will be ready and eager to sit down in a Marriott conference room with juice and muffins to calmly discuss some kind of peace solution? Do you think the mere 'threat' of force would deter them at all?

Sorry, but their MO is to carry out violent acts first and ask questions later. We tried to be reasonable, but all they understand is force. Its long past the time to take the gloves off.


Force alone will not solve this problem.

Actually it goes a longer way towards solving than you can imagine. If we continue to chase them down and dispose of the bad guys all over the globe, they will eventually lose their will to carry on. We need to beat it into their terrorist heads that no matter where they go, Americans will be waiting to blow them off the face of the earth.
 
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There is 2 options to use for the fight against terrorism.




The Right Way (No Pun Intended...LOL)

Blowing them all to hell


The Left Way

Invite them over (Insurgents, Osama, etc.) and serve Punch and Cookies, sing songs by the camp fire, hold hands, etc.....


Which one will solve the problem?:suomi: :suomi: :suomi: :suomi:
 
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>Ask the Russians if they thought Afghanistan was a walk in the park. I'm sure they could share some common stories with the vets of Vietnam...

And? Afghanistan's recent History is violence. War Lords still exist, but that Country is 100% better off now than it has been in a long time. I know that doesn't make the evening news on a Nightly basis but it is a reality. And the Story of the Navy Seal that was rescued was simple Amazing. There is hope of the Afghan people.

>Ask the guys driving the hummers why they have to keep thier heads down and drive an armored convoy just to go around the block to get a box of doughnuts....hell, they can't even control a street let alone a whole town......

Ask them what? If their mission is worth it?

>It's guerilla warfare dude, you just traded the jungle for sand and urban....the only difference in Iraq is you have the chance to pull out before 50K are sent back in body bags due to the same failed strategy as was employed in Vietnam

We will NEVER pull out 50K (it was closer to 60K) in body bags. It really seems to upset some people who predicted 100K's of Iraqi civilian deaths and 10K's of US Military deaths that it just hasn't happened. I remember a Liberal friend showing me an article (probably from one of Doc's sites) that 50K Body bags were being shipped to Iraq for US Soldiers. Fortress Baghdad, Saddam would pull all his resources and fight to the death we would lose thousands of troop in days.

Hmmpfff.. Didn't happen, but we gotta make sure we still beat the "quagmire" drums huh?

The Vietnam Comparison is fucking Idiotic.
 

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