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I got this from The BBC forum:

Posted by Bryan Suits Baghdad, 10 December


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This has been a valuable experience. I've enjoyed reading comments from Iraqis. I don't have a lot of patience for the opinions of those who are not here to see things for themselves. When I was home on leave I was dumbfounded by the disconnect between reality as I knew it in Iraq, and the American television punditry. All were carrying on about "The Arab Street" and other bits of silliness. I know it sounds like a cop out, but I've never felt more strongly that people who haven't been a part of this need to give some credit to those of us who have.

Regardless of what you think you know about the US Army in Iraq, I guarantee it's come to you through the media's filter. I spend the vast majority of my time amongst Iraqis. I respect most of their culture and the rest bewilders me. I know that we Westerners are confused by much of what happens in this part of the world. But I continually try to understand. I have forged real friendships with the people who are supposed to hate me the most.

In the end, they've learned that Americans are idealists. My men aren't here for the money. With one vocal exception, my men want to leave here knowing they made it better. America didn't install Saddam. Any of the cynics out there who persist in that fiction have no real understanding of what kind of man Saddam was.

Why isn't the UN here helping this place prepare for its first real election? I have no idea. I can only guess that lingering bitterness over the American decision to go to war with Saddam has clouded their ability to see the larger good. I hope Afghanistan changes their mind. As for me, I can report that in my area of responsibility today, no one was killed for opposing the government. No one was killed because of the way they worship. No athletes were tortured because of poor performance. No ethnic minorities were gassed. And no cheap limestone palaces were completed for the price of 200 schools.

What did happen was that an American lieutenant and his eight men from the west coast of the United States drove south from Baghdad at 0800. They drove in the near freezing morning air to review a water line which will bring tap water to a town that hasn't had it in years. They arrived at 0930 and were recognised by a man who brought them coffee instead of the traditional tea. He remembered the lieutenant from three weeks ago when he gave the man a pound of American coffee called "Seattle's Best". Through a translator the man said that soon he'll make the Americans' coffee from fresh tap water, not bottled water. The coffee was thick and sweet, flavoured with cardamom. The aroma and flavour were luxurious. After a few minutes the inspection was complete and the Americans went on their way to their next stop. The man with the coffee and the lieutenant shook hands and the man pulled him closer to kiss his cheek. The lieutenant was once uncomfortable with this, but after 10 months this feels like an old custom.
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US marines have been ordered to thin out Falluja's animal population

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><!-- E IIMA -->Sewage and rabid animals pose a significant health threat in Falluja, US military officials have warned.

An army spokesman said the estimated 250,000 people that fled the assault cannot return until the risk posed by stray animals and sewage is eliminated.

US forces retook the insurgent bastion amid heavy fighting last month.

The Red Cross is waiting for US forces to give it the go-ahead to restore the city's water supply and help identify the hundreds of gathered corpses.

'Warehouse of bodies'

"Many streets are flooded with sewage water," Red Cross spokesman Ahmad Rawi, who has just returned from Falluja, told the BBC News website.

He said the city's water treatment plant has to itself be drained before an assessment can be made of how badly it has been damaged.

Another priority for the agency, Mr Rawi said, is the identification of "hundreds of bodies" collected and stored by US-led forces in a former potato warehouse.

Photographs of the corpses have to be taken and circulated among refugees from the city so that they could be identified and buried as soon as possible.

The Red Cross could not confirm whether the warehouse had refrigeration facilities to prevent the bodies from decaying.

Rabies danger

As well as water-borne diseases, US forces say dogs that have fed on corpses pose a risk to returning refugees.

US soldiers have been killing the stray animals to prevent the spread of rabies, the BBC's Caroline Hawley reports.

Marines interviewed by AFP news agency said orders had been given to "thin out" the city's animal population.

Rabies is spread by the saliva of infected animals, who often behave aggressively because of the disease.

Once transmitted to humans, it is usually fatal.

The US military has not said when it will allow refugees back into Falluja. Officers are planning to use iris scans and fingerprints to screen males of a fighting age who try to re-enter the city, our correspondent reports. <!-- E BO -->


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4085109.stm
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bb coulter:

What lies and crap you posted ....

You will dig anything up you can find to try and make Bush look like some kind of flappin hero ...

The BBC forum??? Ghees, cant find anything in the National Enquirer ... for a man who gets his panties in an uproar when anything is posted in less than a positive light regarding this nitemare in Iraq, kills me how you post this like this is a "reliable source"

To quote you: "dont post these lies without a link !"
 

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With all due respect to Brian Suits, he is talking with Iraqis who are willing to talk to him in the first place. No doubt there are many who don't want anything to do with him.

Blight: remember how I mentioned I have a friend who is from Baghdad? His whole family is still there, so when I see him, he fills me in on the daily goings on and what his family thinks of the situation. They do not go outside during the day, when fighting is high. They have electricity for about four hours a day, and when they will have it is sporadic and unpredictable. They have not had running water in months. Oh, and by the way, they are a wealthy family with one of the nicer homes in one of the nicer areas.

Anyway, my friend's family have said the following at one time or another:

Fück Moqtada Al-sadr.
The Americans will never leave.
We are so happy Saddam is gone.
Why don't they close our borders? Why do they let the terrorists in?
We will listen to Al-Sistani, not Ayed Allawi. He is a puppet.
Why do they still drop bombs on us?
Why won't they hire Iraqis?

There is a combination of good and bad (from a Western perspective) from Iraq. But what any and all good reports fail to state is that the removal of Saddam Hussein never needed to come in the form of a war. Had he been removed via covert means (see: Aristide, for example) tens of thousand Iraqis who are dead would not be. And that is pretty much all that needs to be said.

No matter how good the good news, the bad news never needed to exist in the first place.
 
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Yep ...

50 million given to the best in the world and the Mosad could have taken out Hussein .. or as Bush would say: "the man who tried to kill Daddy .."

This war has accomplished NOTHING ... except have killed thousand upon thousand of Iraqi civilians and spent over 300 billion in American dollars to find out our Air Force can still drop tonnage with the best of em

Funny again how bblight posts something from a Forum and its GOLD ... if someone how posted from the same forum how the war was a flappin disaster he would have been screaming "leave our soldiers alone you flappin traitor"

bb Coulter ... good to see your ass get called out on the carpet since your pathetic ass loves to blast anyone who posts anything negative about the war or Bush in general
 

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Come on, bb...

Stop posting nonsense from people who are actually there...and start believing a guy like doc mercer, who is quite the expert from the front lines of Austin.


As far as XP's buddy...


Fück Moqtada Al-sadr.

Agreed.

The Americans will never leave.

It may seem that way right now, but that's an incorrect statement. Yeah we'll be there for a little while after we win...hell, we've had troops stationed in Europe because of WW2 (with the Euros suddenly in a tizzy because we're finally getting around to re-assigning our troops, which was long overdue IMO, and the euros will have to get off their own asses and defend themselves). Why will we be there? Glad you asked...

The problem in Iraq, besides the Pentagon's inability to say the same correct thing twice, is time. Our own military took a bit of time to learn the trade.
It's not as is we can round up some volunteers and create a new army in a few months. It takes years.

We are starting from ground zero. We have to train the trainers. From there...the training builds upon itself. We have to train and get experience for the NCO and junior officers that will lead the squads, platoons, companies and battalions; the building blocks of the new military.

It takes a couple years for the United States to churn out a quality soldier, and it won't be any different in Iraqi. We're initially going to see lower quality out of the rush-job troops...just like we see in our own when we rush training.
The real and effective Iraqi national army won't rear it's head for at least 2 years, by my estimate.

Of course...that logic will be lost on doc mercer, who'll insist that every soldier we train will either join the enemy or is a coward. He seems to believe that the Iraqi soldier is incapable of fighting unless it's to kill Americans, and that none truly believe in the new goverment.


We are so happy Saddam is gone.
You're welcome.

Why don't they close our borders? Why do they let the terrorists in?

We're trying our best...but come on. A huge country like Iraq is like swiss cheese...you can't guard every inch of their entire border.

We will listen to Al-Sistani, not Ayed Allawi. He is a puppet.

Well, most Yankees listen to their pastors, personal mentors, etc. Not our president. And FYI, Sistani hasn't exactly been a staunch opposer of our Fallujah occupation.

Why do they still drop bombs on us?

Because the war isn't finished yet, and we're not targeting civilians (although I'm sure doc mercer will storm in here momentarily with BS links galore about how we actually are).


Why won't they hire Iraqis?

Either there isn't any work available...or you can get a job as a soldier in the military. But we don't have any Baghdad staffing firms opened there quite yet...
 

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Doc - this is just one take on a GI from Iraq - it's from the BBC, which is your kind of site, so I figured you'd enjoy it.

The way I look at it is if you can try to improve your understanding by reading the drudge report, then I can do the same by doing the BBC. I tried reading the NY Times, but gag reflex prevented me from getting anything positive done.

Doc - I'd like to understand why you're so full of hate. When I wake up in the morning the sun is shining, my wife of 31 years is lying by my side, and everything is nearly perfect. Life could be better - but not a hell of a lot better.

I sign on here and I read your posts - so full of hate and acrimony, and I'm so glad that I'm not you!

Hey Doc - think about this - you're going to die - that's a fact - how you die and what frame of mind you're in when you die is up to you - it's a quality of life thing. You have to learn how to calm down!
 
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bb coulter: I'm fine ...

I offered a Truce ... you started busting my chops again so expect a full barrage in the days ahead

You fired the first shots ... hope Dumsfeld has bought you some proper armor for inbounds that will becoming your way
 

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Doc - if you're going to war with me then please give me something a little bit more subtle, with more substance than this teenage crap.

Your comebacks could be improved by a ten year old.

Being called BB Coulter is a compliment you doltish moron!
 

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I'm only going to pick on one thing you said because I'm starting to like you:


JDeuce said:
As far as XP's buddy...

The Americans will never leave.

It may seem that way right now, but that's an incorrect statement.

You have four military bases in Iraq. They have been built (I believe this is true of all four) to be permanent. You will be there so long as American interests in the region remain of importance. When oil and natural gas, as well as geopolitical strategic interests (based on the armament capabilities of Israel and her enemies) run out/stabilise, you will leave.

Should be sometime around 2100 AD.
 

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Don't you love the rightie spin that libs are some how haters. Libs tend to be against wars without very strong cause, against the death penalty and in favor of social assistance. Righties are anti-gay, anti-immigrants, often anti-minorities, love wars, tell the poor to help themselves or die and love guns.
 

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xpanda - You bet your bippy those bases are permanent!

The one point that Doc and I do agree on is that this war is about oil! It's about protecting the US interests and pipeline in the ME until the oil runs out!

Our presence there gives us the ability to make sure that we have dibs on the oil as long as we need it!

That, my dear, is national self interests at work!
 

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"That, my dear, is national self interests at work!"

Actually it's called imperialism.<!-- / message -->
 

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Hell, if this is all about the oil then why not just build bases around the oil producing areas and suck the oil out like a mosquito sucks blood out of flesh?

We're still due payment for kicking Saddam out of Kuwait the last time we were over there a decade ago, and putting out all the oil wells that were so conveniently set ablaze.....now we're getting socked for the bill a second time around....

If the US was never going to collect war reparations from the first gulf war then we might as well have let all those oil wells burn.....freedom isn't free, and neither is oil.....let the UN put out all those fires....
 

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Marco,
I totally agree, if oil was the reason to invade then why not just capture the oil fields. They could build bases around them and let the rest of the country rot.
I don't think anyone outside of bushiviks ever believed the liberation crap anyway. It seems like an expensive facade.

Jdeuche,
No work available? Why are they paying a bunch of Jethros 80 grand a year to drive trucks? You trying to say Iraqis can't drive trucks, and for a lot less?
And they didn't have to start from ground zero with the army, they already HAD and army. Our brilliant leaders dismantled it.
 

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Finally some excellent ideas, build bases around the oil fields to recoup our expenses. Sounds fair enough, I'm all for it. It wouldn't hurt to bomb Iran day and night from those bases. Six straight months of bombing should get the job done.
 

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