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After two years of having nearly everything imaginable go right, USC's budding football dynasty hit its first significant speed bump Wednesday when star receiver Mike Williams entered the NFL Draft.

This is no small loss for the Trojans, as loaded as they may be.

Besides perhaps Pittsburgh's Larry Fitzgerald, Williams was the best receiver in college football over the past two seasons, which just happened to be USC's best pair of seasons in nearly 25 years. What are the chances Matt Leinart would have emerged as one of the nation's most productive quarterbacks as a first-year starter without the help of Williams and the vastly underrated Keary Colbert? For that matter, would Carson Palmer have won the 2002 Heisman Trophy had Williams not arrived as a freshman that season?

The good news for the Trojans is they've recruited better at wide receiver than any team the past two years. Rising sophomores Steve Smith and Whitney Lewis were among the top receiver prospects last year. Ditto Fred Davis (who enrolled in January and already is participating in team conditioning drills) and Dwayne Jarrett this year.

The bad news is, those guys have almost no experience. Williams and Colbert, a departing senior, accounted for 85.6 percent of the yards gained by USC receivers during its national championship season. Smith, however, did catch 17 balls for 319 yards, and Davis, a 6-foot-4, 215-pound specimen, is physically ready to play as a true freshman.

"Our team is well-prepared for his leaving," Trojans coach Pete Carroll said. "It'll be fun to see who steps up."

More painful than Williams' departure may have been the controversial comments he made on his way out of town, telling USC's student newspaper, "We don't have a bunch of players who just love football. We don't have guys who are self-motivated." Those words, pretty harsh for team that just won a share of the national championship, ruffled more than a few feathers around the locker room, causing Carroll to call a team meeting Tuesday night.

Coming off the Rose Bowl victory, there was little question USC would be the consensus preseason No. 1 going into 2004. The Trojans were expected to return 17 starters before Williams and fellow All-America Kenechi Udeze turned pro.

Now, I will consider several teams along with USC for that spot, including Georgia, LSU and Oklahoma.

But while those teams have to be delighted by the short-term implications of Williams' departure, it's an ominous sign of what life may be like for marquee programs in the post-Maurice Clarett era.

USC and Miami, in particular, are relying more on freshmen and sophomores to have an impact. But now they run the risk of losing them sooner than expected if given the opportunity to showcase themselves to the NFL.

Most coaches recruit in three- to four-year cycles. Will they now have to sign players to replace the previous year's top recruits?

"This is a disturbing development," said Miami coach Larry Coker, "and could potentially be very damaging to college football, especially the recruiting process."

USC found out the hard way.

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Maurice Clarett is a huge asshole for doing what he did. I hope he gets drafted in the 5th round and then blows his knee out. He's soft anyway according to his combine report. Sounds like he didn't impress much in his interviews. For Example: One team asked him what kind of RB they would be getting and he responded, "I don't know....cool?" nice Mo.

[This message was edited by TigerVen on April 06, 2004 at 10:00 PM.]
 

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"After two years of having nearly everything imaginable go right [for USC]"

I strongly disagree with that statement. Last year on paper, USC schedule was very tough but USC ooc opponents tanked and conference was average at best in terms of SOS. In the end, USC lost to LSU by only .15 BCS pts for a chance to win an unanimous National Championship. Washington St. in their last game of year was playing Washington without their starting QB, but somehow had the lead with 2 min. left in the 4th quarter, but Washington had a game winning touchdown drive. If WSU would have won, USC would have recieved .50 BCS pts for Quality Win + SOS pts (easily would have made up the .15 bcs pts difference). Auburn, ND, and BYU all tanked hurting USC BCS pts. UCLA and Oregon St. both lost the week prior to playing USC (hurting USC SOS pts). USC only lost last year was to CAL in triple OT with USC running back fumbling on the goal line in the 2nd OT. In the 3rd OT USC missed a 38yard FG while Cal made game winning 39 yard FG. Oh yeah, CAL earlier in the game made a 52 yard FG!!!!!! LSU on the other hand, who only beat USC by .15 BCS pts, was the luckiest team because everything went their way. They beat UGA after being completely outplayed and having the UGA kicker missing something like 4 FG's, and LSU beat OLE MISS by only 3pts with the great Ole Miss kicker missing 2 FG's. Thats luck which USC has not had.

You can say USC had the best team in the nation the last 2 years but did not have the chance to play for unanimous National Championship. 2 years ago USC played the #1 SOS and lost one game in OT with the FG being partially blocked (and USC kicker missing 2 FG's and extra pt in that game). The other game USC lost was by only 7pts and USC senior WR dropped a 1st pass on the opponents 20 yard line with less than minute left in the game. (USC kicker also missed a FG and extra pt in that game). Both on the road.

USC unfortunately had NO LUCK in their success the last 2 years. USC earned everything they accomplished. NOTHING went USC way. Not sour grapes by me, because USC has only themselves to blame for not coming through in the clutch and the system is the system. My argument is USC had nothing go there way.
 

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BTW, Mike Williams has done some paperwork to come back to USC. He has the option and is waiting for the Claret ruling. Coaches think it is a longshot but there is a chance Williams will be back at USC next year. If Williams is back at USC next year, hand the trophy to USC!
 

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There is no reason why the NCAA should allow Williams back at USC. The guy hired an agent and took his chances.....that's it.
 

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Yeah he took his chances because they ruled that he would be allowed to play in the NFL. Clarett screwed it all up its not William's fault. Your just scared because USC should have been National Champs last year not Co-Champs and they will smoke LSU if they ever met.
 

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If USC was the odds on favorite to win the National Title without Mike Williams, how much more of a favorite will USC be when Williams joins the team? I think NCAA is going to let him come back, especially since Williams is in summer school right now at USC. Williams without a doubt is the most dominant player in college football.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Drunkn247:
Yeah he took his chances because they ruled that he would be allowed to play in the NFL. Clarett screwed it all up its not William's fault. Your just scared because USC should have been National Champs last year not Co-Champs and they will smoke LSU if they ever met.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You couldn't be more wrong. I have nothing but respect for USC and think they're a very good team.....but "scared because they should have been champs"? Jesus Christ, give that shit a rest...that was last season's news.
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Scott4USC:
If USC was the odds on favorite to win the National Title without Mike Williams, how much more of a favorite will USC be when Williams joins the team? I think NCAA is going to let him come back, especially since Williams is in summer school right now at USC. Williams without a doubt is the most dominant player in college football.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If the NCAA allows him back, I would expect a lawsuit from previous players that contacted agents, changed their minds BEFORE the draft and had the NCAA tell them tough shit.

REALLY, what is the difference? He went out and hired an agent, dropped out of school and waited for the draft.

I think USC should cut the chord and move on with the other great receivers that they have.
 

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After last season, Williams said he was "coming" back to USC (basically had no choice) but he said he would not file court issue like Clarret. His grades and everything were fine. When Clarret won the court ruling, and the gates to the NFL opened wide open for Williams and any underclassmen, Williams decided to go into the NFL. The courts said Williams "can" enter the draft and leave after his Soph. year. So Williams did (although the NFL did warn WIlliams that they will be trying to close that door on him)

So after Williams entered the draft, hired an agent, and dropped out of school, the courts then decided to close that door again. WILLIAMS GETS SCREWED! NOw you cannot let someone walk right in legally and then throw them out. Williams NEVER was the one who challenged the NFL, Clarret did.

Williams now is taking USC summer school, dropped ties with his agent, and had his family pay back all the money the agent gave him (somewhere around $100,000) SO why are you against letting Williams back? He did nothing wrong and never challenged anything in court. IT IS A VERY UNIQUE SITUATION, and I strongly feel the NCAA will be letting Williams back. NCAA has power to do so and Williams only missed 1 semester. Again, this was a VERY UNIQUE SITUATION!!!!!
 

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I disagree with the uniqueness of the situation.

PLENTY of underclassmaen have decided they would like to skip the senior year....after they speak with an agent. Somewhere before the draft they decide that they made a hasty decision and realize they want to stay in school. Of course the NCAA cites the agent contact and cuts them off at the kness.

Mike Williams decided he would rather not play for USC anymore and threw his hat in the professional ring. Regardless of what happened, he still had contact with an agent AND took money from that agent.....and that should be that.

If it makes you feel better, LSU had to deal with the same crappy situation. Our All-American defensive end Marquise Hill had lunch with an agent and was thinking of leaving for the pros. Now, he didn't accept any money, he simply met with an agent. After only a few days, he decided to stay at LSU. Guess what happened.....the NCAA said tough shit, you're a pro now.

The rule is this.... ANY CONTACT WITH A PROFESSIONAL AGENT NULLIFIES A PLAYER'S ELLIGIBILITY.

I think it sucks, but that's the way it has been for everyone else up to this point.
 

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I know the NCAA rules and the NCAA is strict. I think that is good. I am not sure if you know that Mike Williams last year was only a sophomore. NFL does not let players into the NFL until 3 years after they graduate from high school. Mike Williams has been out of high school for 2 years. Mike Williams was planning on coming back to USC. The court said ALL UNDERCLASSMEN can come into the NFL when they ruled on the clarret case. THen, and only then, did Mike decide to leave USC and go to NFL DRAFT. Why? Because the doors were open and he could go. That is a unique situation because this has NEVER happened before. NEVER!!!! If Williams was a junior last year, then you are right and Williams should not be allowed back. But Williams will be a junior THIS YEAR! Understand?
 

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I see the point you're trying to make. However, it doesn't matter if they're ruling on a Junior or sophmore, because their rules are for ALL underclassmen.

I think the phrase you're looking for here is "tough titty."

ALSO,at the time when Williams declared for the draft, there was an apppeal of the Clarett ruling pending and Williams knew (or should have known) about it. Accordingly, there was a risk he could find himself in his current predicament. He either failed to thoroughly investigate the status of the Clarett lawsuit, in which case he is now suffering as a result of his own stupidity, or he decided to declare for the draft despite the fact that he knew there was a risk the Clarett decision would be overturned, in which case he is simply enduring the consequences of his own actions. He took a risk and he lost. Now the NCAA should be treat nim like a man, instead of a coddled child, and force him to sit out for a year.

If Williams had been less greedy, he could have tossed his name in the NFL hat and NOT taken money or signed with an agent. He didn't NEED one... That way, if the case went against he and Clarett, he could at least claim that he didn't sign with an agent.

Oh yeah...he could have enrolled in school in the Spring as well.

Fact is...Williams quit school, dogged his teammates, signed with an agent and took money. The only thing unique about any of that is that it happened to him.

By the way, I consider this a conversation between two enthusiasts, so please don't take offense at any of this.
 

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No offense taken and nice chatting with you.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>If Williams had been less greedy, he could have tossed his name in the NFL hat and NOT taken money or signed with an agent. He didn't NEED one... That way, if the case went against he and Clarett, he could at least claim that he didn't sign with an agent. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree with that. That would certainly have been the smart thing to do. Although an agent def. helps your draft status and this last draft was LOADED with great WR's. So hiring an agent meant more millions.

That said, what good happens if Williams is not allowed back? Here is a guy who wants to come back and he is serious about academics as he is enrolled in 2 classes in the summer session. Plus his grades were fine before he left. If NCAA does let him back, it is better for college football (except those other teams wanting a National Championship and USC opponents). Williams brings in a lot of revenue and the NFL even wants Williams back in college. You sorta imply make an example of Williams and treat him like a man. Well due to this VERY UNIQUE SITUATION (no debating that this is a unique situation) NCAA should let him back. Nobody else will feel cheated because of how this was a unique situation.

You are right Williams knew NFL was going appeal but I would not hold that against WIlliams. What the NFL should have done is made an exception for Williams and let him in the draft. They didn't, they want him and everyone to be in college for 3 years.

In case you were not aware, the NCAA lets students miss school and let them come back. 2 years ago a players Dad passed away and that player left for one year, and the NCAA let him have a "6th" year. The player must file a petition about why he is leaving and Williams did do that. So he should and will be cleared for academically missing one semester (plus he is taking summer school). Then Williams "adoptive" family said they would pay back all the money the agent gave Williams. That is very important to the NCAA and that is the right thing to do.

I don't see how the NCAA or why NCAA would not let Williams back. Plus he is a good student/athlete and puts fans in the seats. He brings a lot of $$$ to college football and we know what the NCAA wants! USC is playing in the BCA classic, wouldn't they want to market Williams and USC playing V-Tech!

Congrats to your LSU National Championship Season. I was so disapointed USC could never play LSU. Would have been a great game and I would have been excited to see CHOW vs SABAN!!!! If that game did happen, only 1 school would have won championship, and the way things played out both won championships. Curious to what you think would be the outcome of the game? I know I am a Trojan fan, but I think USC would have won by 10pts in a great football game. LSU offense wasn't good enough to beat USC (USC had #1 DL in nation). Defense def. be good enough to keep LSU in the game. A hard fought 10pt USC victory. Maybe USC vs LSU in Orange Bowl this year!!!!!
 

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The NCAA is the biggest clusterfuk of an organization out there. They set rules and hand down rulings at will. They reverse rulings and let others slide on similar penalties.
It's time the NCAA quit showing bias, and waffling on rulings where there has been precedence, or sign out.
They've outlived their usefulness.
 

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Does anyone know when the ruling will come out?

I don't think he should be allowed back into the college game.

He shouldn't have hired an agent or took any money.

But also I remember an interveiw with his agent and they asked what if the ruling was overtuned. The agent said that they have considered that and knew what the consequences would be and had everything already planned out.

Should be a simple case, it wasn't a big surprise that the ruling was overtuned.
 

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Hey Buddy glad you`re back and in form for another "foots" season. Was in HS for a few days in Mar. only got to Oaklawn once tho. Lost a few $`s, not too bad. Let`s kill em this yr!
 

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Hey Silver,
Good to hear from ya. I made it to HS once also. The ponies weren't too kind to me either.
Went to Maui in May and got hitched. So beating the man will be even more important this year.
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Good luck, and go Gophers.
 

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